YOM HASHOA.....HOLOCAUST REMEMBERANCE DAY 4/8/02

[tigerjen]

Am not sure how many people are aware, but at least
tomorrow where I live, is Holocaust Rememberance Day....

At my synagogue starting tomorrow night, and thru
Tuesday, people are volunteering to read names of
the 6 million who died in the concentration camps. Not
just Jews.....but also Gypsies, the disabled.....etc....

People are lighting 6 candles.......1 candle represents
1 million.......

I remember back in college, Hillel (the Jewish student group)
sponsored a walk around campus with us carrying a candle
each on this day.......very symbolic.

Two movies I highly recommend: "Diary of Anne Frank",
and "Schindler's List".......though there are many others...
oh yes....."Life Is Beautiful"......

We must not forget what happened to the 6 million, and
many, many other people who died in this tragedy......and
we can use the lessons learned from this to apply to the
current world situation.

*6 candles lit...........6 million*



tigerjen

 

[Horny Hippie Girl]

A couple more movies I would recommend are "The Rose Garden" and "Bent".

 

[Marxist]

Funny now that you mention it but there was an excellent article in Salon about The Holocaust as industry.

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/04/03/mirroring_evil/story.jpg

http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2002/04/03/mirroring_evil/

April 3, 2002 | "Mirroring Evil," the exhibit of Nazi imagery in recent art that is now at the Jewish Museum in New York, was greeted with enough scandal-mongering hysteria before it opened to assure both big crowds and protesters at its March 17 opening. Featuring art that, in the words of curator Norman Kleebatt, "puts the viewer in the uncomfortable terrain between good and evil, seduction and repulsion," the show is being called the Jewish "Sensation," in reference to the 1999 show at the Brooklyn Museum that featured Damien Hirst's vivisected livestock and Chris Ofili's Virgin Mary adorned with shellacked elephant dung.

continues in the link above

 

[tigerjen]

I almost forgot......

anyone here on Lit have been to the US Holocaust
Museum in Washington DC? I have, back in '94......
lots of exhibits, one needs at least 3 days to go thru
EVERYTHING........and I was there for only one day!

I remember standing in a replica of one of the barracks
(similar to one in a concentration camp) and it was
freaky......very scary.........but I thought about it this way....
if I were in that situation back then, I believe that I would
have survived, esp. with my personality and wits.......


tigerjen

 

[tigerjen]

Very interesting articles, Marxist

Thank you for the links!

tigerjen

Oh yes......HHG......thank you for those two movie
recommendations......!

 

[p_p_man]

Am not sure how many people are aware, but at least
tomorrow where I live, is Holocaust Rememberance Day....

It's a pity Sharon has to remember a terrible past by inflicting that same terror on another race of people...

ppman

 

[Todd-'o'-Vision]

Re: I almost forgot......

anyone here on Lit have been to the US Holocaust
Museum in Washington DC? tigerjen

I have been to the cathedral Holocaust display in New York

 

[miles]

Re: Re: YOM HASHOA.....HOLOCAUST REMEMBERANCE DAY 4/8/02

It's a pity Sharon has to remember a terrible past by inflicting that same terror on another race of people...
ppman

ROFLMAO!

Earlier I called ppman a dildo, but that's not fair to all the other dildos.

What a mindless bottom feeder. Now Jews are a race. So peepee, if a Christian converts to Judiasm, how do they change races?

 

[seXieleXie]

Re: I almost forgot......

anyone here on Lit have been to the US Holocaust
Museum in Washington DC?

I remember standing in a replica of one of the barracks (similar to one in a concentration camp) and it was freaky......very scary.........but I thought about it this way.... if I were in that situation back then, I believe that I would have survived, esp. with my personality and wits.......

that was one of the two places i did get to see when i was in d.c. diuring my break. in some of the walkways they have the names of towns terrorized by the germans etched into glass. i found the name of the town my great grandfather was from. the whole visit was incredibly sad, but the room with the shoes... that was the most powerful. the shoes were more imporant than the lives of those who wore them... the shoes were saved but not the people...

 

[tigerjen]

Palestinians are not a race

It's a pity Sharon has to remember a terrible past by
inflicting that same terror on another race of people...

ppman

Israel has a powerful army over there......they'll do
what it takes to protect their homeland......

 

[tigerjen]

Todd o Vision

I have been to the cathedral Holocaust display in New York

can you explain to me what you are saying there?
please enlighten the rest of us here.

tigerjen

 

[tigerjen]

shoes and other objects

that was one of the two places i did get to see when i was in d.c. diuring my break. in some of the walkways they have the names of towns terrorized by the germans etched into glass. i found the name of the town my great grandfather was from. the whole visit was incredibly sad, but the room with the shoes... that was the most powerful. the shoes were more imporant than the lives of those who wore them... the shoes were saved but not the people...

Oh yes.....don't forget about the photos that were saved.....
of different family and friends........that was very sad.....

I remember in the movie "Schindler's List"....the part when
they emptied out the Jews' suitcases they left behind on
the way to the concentration camps........all the silver pieces,
clothes, shoes, jewelry........even the part where an SS
officer dumps a pile of gold teeth onto a table.......that
bothered me

what is really unique about the Holocaust museum in DC is
that the whole exhibit starts at the top floor, not on the bottom
floor like in most museums.....

tigerjen

 

[bobo_daclown]

For what it's worth, the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Tel Aviv is worth a look if you ever travel to Israel.

I teach Hebrew at a local synagogue. A hard question to answer regarding this is when a third-grader asks, "Why?"

 

[Cheyenne]

I teach Hebrew at a local synagogue. A hard question to answer regarding this is when a third-grader asks, "Why?"

I'm curious what it is you tell them in response.

And do they ask about the current situation in Israel?

 

[bobo_daclown]

p_p_man:

? Please do elaborate. I would love to contest you; but, your response to this thread is left so open.

And, by the way, I think that Judaism is a culture. A religion, a nation, a people. Also: Am Yisrael chai. The people Israel live.

 

[tigerjen]

For what it's worth, the Holocaust Memorial Museum
in Tel Aviv is worth a look if you ever travel to Israel.
I teach Hebrew at a local synagogue. A hard question
to answer regarding this is when a third-grader
asks, "Why?"

I hear you on that point.....when a young child asks
"Why?"....its just like the 4 questions asked at Passover
seder, but different........

I would love to go to Israel someday......right now is not
good with all the trouble going on over here, which makes
me angry.......I just wish that Arafat could knock some sense
into the Palestinians........why can't the Jews and Palestinians
get along??? Its really sad that its the 21st century,
a new millenium.....and they're still fighting over here

tigerjen

 

[bobo_daclown]

We tell them that some people are bad and beyond that, it's rather hard to just explain. We answer as many questions as we can, as best we can. The truth! It is important that they know it. By the time they have children, there will be no holocaust survivors left to give testimony.

My seventh-graders and I discuss current events of Israel weekly. The school has just begun a program to keep the kids updated weekly, also.

 

[tigerjen]

And, by the way, I think that Judaism is a culture.
A religion, a nation, a people. Also: Am Yisrael chai.
The people Israel live.

I agree w/ you there, bobo.......L'Chaim!

 

[bobo_daclown]

TigerJenn, for what it's worth, the last time I went to israel was the last time it was bad to go over there. The way I figure it: God will take me when it's my time, regardless of where I am.

It is a lovely place to visit and someday, I will make aliya home to israel.

 

[tigerjen]

We tell them that some people are bad and beyond
that, it's rather hard to just explain. We answer as many
questions as we can, as best we can. The truth! It is
important that they know it. By the time they have
children, there will be no holocaust survivors left to
give testimony.
My seventh-graders and I discuss current events of Israel
weekly. The school has just begun a program to keep the
kids updated weekly, also.

The best way to hear a story about the Holocaust is
from a living survivor.....sadly, many have passed on by
now.........and yes, the truth must be spoken.....even if
it is painful.

I remember doing the current events thing in hebrew
school back then........back around when I was in grade
school/jr. high the USSR was still in existence and the big
topic was the Russian Jews wanting to get out of the
Soviet Union........it is good to keep up with the current
events of Israel.......but its friggin painful to hear about
car bombings and suicide bombers who blow themselves
up in public places.....

 

[tigerjen]

TigerJenn, for what it's worth, the last time I went to
israel was the last time it was bad to go over there. The
way I figure it: God will take me when it's my time,
regardless of where I am.
It is a lovely place to visit and someday, I will make aliya
home to israel.

When was the last time you were over in Israel?
I've had friends and acquaintances who've been over
there in the past several years.....though it was bad
over there, they were secure in where they went.......lots
of tight security........but with the stuff also going on in
Afghanistan......I'm not going to chance going over there.

I hear you on what you are saying in regards to G-d
taking you when its your time.....but for me, its not my
time to go just yet.....I have my whole life ahead of me....

tigerjen

 

[bobo_daclown]

I went just before Sharon was elected in. I too went only to secure places and avoided problem areas near the Gaza and west bank.

What I was saying is that if God want's me to die tomorrow: It doesn't matter if I'm here in Raleigh, NC or in Tel Aviv, Il. I could be in the best place in the world or the worst.

If I could go free, again, I would. I loved my experience.

Tiger, Have a good night. I'm off to bed.

 

[tigerjen]

Good nite, bobo.......sweet dreams!



tigerjen

 

[REDWAVE]

Lessons of the Holocaust

I join you in mourning the deaths of six million Jews during the Holocaust, tigerjen. It is also important to remember there were many other victims, too: Slavs, Gypsys, Hungarians, etc. In fact, the first people to be sent to concentration camps by the Nazis were German communists and socialists. And it is important not merely to commemorate the lives lost, but to learn the lessons of the Holocaust, especially now. First and foremost of these is that fascism began as a reaction against socialism and communism. In times of crisis-- SUCH AS NOW-- the capitalist system in decay naturally moves toward fascism. The world situation today resembles that of the 1930's in a number of respects. Now as then, there is global recession/depression, trade war, shooting war, a massive increase in repression, and the looming threat of fascism. The primary difference is this: in the 1930's, the main fascist threat emanated from Germany. Today, the main fascist threat emanates from the U.S.A.

 

[tigerjen]

REDWAVE..............

I agree that we all could learn from what happened
in the Holocaust.....we all can.......and also, very good
points you made in your commentary about capitalism
in decay...fascism.....etc.etc.......liked the line about
"increased repression".....that's sad but true.......we all
need to express ourselves in these times.....and stand
true to the 1st Amendment in our Constitution.......oh damn
I'm going off subject again.....

anyhow, in short, if people weren't so uptight about
diverse groups of people (gays/lesbians, for example)
I think things would be much better. I only use that
example because they are a group that is "not going
away", to quote a professor at my college that I attended.
It's the 21st century......there are many diverse groups
that we should respect....and yet there are some people
out there who still act like its the 1950s thru rose colored
glasses and certain things were kept "hush hush" if you
know what I mean.....now THAT's repression.

tigerjen