Yet another category question

[sirhugs]

My "incest adjacent story" is complete.

My goal is to not post two stories into Incest/taboo in a row. Point of this post is not to debate whether that is silly. I have my reasons, I know they might not make sense.

My last story posted was "Grandpa Wake Up ch 2". Chapter 3 is in the writing phase (less than one third done). A transgender tale is also a work in progress, less than half done.

The completed story began life as an alternate set up to the story that became Happily Humping Hortense. I initially could not keep it from veering into incest, so shelved it and stared over with a similar theme ("plain jane proves to be sex goddess"). Later, I took it off the shelf, renamed the female lead Harriet, and wrote it about a blowjob in a ladies room.

It is what I call "incest adjacent" because the preamble deals with my unnamed narrator acknowledging his attraction to his cousin. The cousin fixes him up with Harriet, who she says gives the "World's Second Best Blowjob"- claiming that she, the cousin, gives the best.

As Harriet orally pleasures him in the ladies room at a concert, Harriet teases him about this, tells him it is okay to close his eyes and imagine she is the cousin if he wants, but ultimately, he focuses on Harriet.

There is no explicit sex with the cousin. The mentions of fantasies are mostly very general. At one point he imagines a blow job contest with the cousin and her BFFs, but to his frustration, his cousin only directs the action, without joining in. That bit is a 91 word paragraph in 6500 word story.

Do y'all think Laurel will bump this to Incest/Taboo regardless?

If not, my beta-reader and I still have a disagreement about category. I was thinking E&V because of it taking place in a public washroom, with some tension introduced about risk of discovery. He thought because no one sees them that it goes in erotic couplings. Though a couple of my stories, including Hortense, are in EC, it is a category I try to avoid,because most of my tales have , I think anyway, too much kink for a category I think of as beige to vanilla...

Thoughts appreciated.

 

[AlinaX]

Just add a "Content Warning: Incest" at the start and hope for the best.

 

[sirhugs]

Just add a "Content Warning: Incest" at the start and hope for the best.

My plan was to state something like "This story features a narrator attracted to his cousin, but there is no sex with the cousin."

 

[Salacious_Scribe]

Not incest. If there's no incesting then incest folks will trash it.

From your description EC is best.

 

[Abbafan]

My plan was to state something like "This story features a narrator attracted to his cousin, but there is no sex with the cousin."

Yeah, that's what I'd go with. People who go to incest want some kind of consummation, even if it isn't full sex.

 

[PennameWombat]

My "incest adjacent story" is complete.
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There is no explicit sex with the cousin. The mentions of fantasies are mostly very general. At one point he imagines a blow job contest with the cousin and her BFFs, but to his frustration, his cousin only directs the action, without joining in. That bit is a 91 word paragraph in 6500 word story.

Do y'all think Laurel will bump this to Incest/Taboo regardless?

If not, my beta-reader and I still have a disagreement about category. I was thinking E&V because of it taking place in a public washroom, with some tension introduced about risk of discovery. He thought because no one sees them that it goes in erotic couplings. Though a couple of my stories, including Hortense, are in EC, it is a category I try to avoid,because most of my tales have , I think anyway, too much kink for a category I think of as beige to vanilla...

Thoughts appreciated.

I put a story with explicit sex amongst (second) cousins in Group. Because... that fit the sex. There was 1x1 Sex but the key passages were group sex. So I don’t think she’ll move it for you on that basis.

You could ask for E&V.

 

[jehoram]

If you have a story with chapters, there's no law against putting the different chapters into different categories if they fit better that way. There's always the risk of disappointing readers who start a story with one set of expectations and then not continuing to satisfy those expectations, but I write the story for myself, telling the story I want to tell, and hope the readers are interested in the story itself rather than its content.

I've done that with "A Very Private Beach" and edited a story series of Athalia's which she calls the "Hot Tub" series. Did it make any difference in the ratings when people go from story to story and find different things happening? I dunno, and I don't much care. I don't think she does, either.

The best you can do is put a disclaimer at the front of the story that warns people of what they might encounter. And that's all you really are obliged to do, IMO.

 

[lovecraft68]

Yeah, that's what I'd go with. People who go to incest want some kind of consummation, even if it isn't full sex.

No, this will get it kicked to incest by Laurel, and he'll get torched there for...no incest.

Best bet is EC with no disclaimer unless it can be worded that 'no family members have sex here, they just think about it' otherwise again, the site will move it.

The EC crowd is used to getting all types of material there I think it will be fine.

 

[lovecraft68]

My "incest adjacent story" is complete.

My goal is to not post two stories into Incest/taboo in a row. Point of this post is not to debate whether that is silly. I have my reasons, I know they might not make sense.

My last story posted was "Grandpa Wake Up ch 2". Chapter 3 is in the writing phase (less than one third done). A transgender tale is also a work in progress, less than half done.

The completed story began life as an alternate set up to the story that became Happily Humping Hortense. I initially could not keep it from veering into incest, so shelved it and stared over with a similar theme ("plain jane proves to be sex goddess"). Later, I took it off the shelf, renamed the female lead Harriet, and wrote it about a blowjob in a ladies room.

It is what I call "incest adjacent" because the preamble deals with my unnamed narrator acknowledging his attraction to his cousin. The cousin fixes him up with Harriet, who she says gives the "World's Second Best Blowjob"- claiming that she, the cousin, gives the best.

As Harriet orally pleasures him in the ladies room at a concert, Harriet teases him about this, tells him it is okay to close his eyes and imagine she is the cousin if he wants, but ultimately, he focuses on Harriet.

There is no explicit sex with the cousin. The mentions of fantasies are mostly very general. At one point he imagines a blow job contest with the cousin and her BFFs, but to his frustration, his cousin only directs the action, without joining in. That bit is a 91 word paragraph in 6500 word story.

Do y'all think Laurel will bump this to Incest/Taboo regardless?

If not, my beta-reader and I still have a disagreement about category. I was thinking E&V because of it taking place in a public washroom, with some tension introduced about risk of discovery. He thought because no one sees them that it goes in erotic couplings. Though a couple of my stories, including Hortense, are in EC, it is a category I try to avoid,because most of my tales have , I think anyway, too much kink for a category I think of as beige to vanilla...

Thoughts appreciated.

Let me ask you this. If there is no sex with the cousin, if its just the cousin bragging of her oral skills and Harriet for some reason also bringing them up, but the MC is only interested in Harriet...

Why does there need to be a cousin at all? Just have her be a friend or co-worker...why set up what looks like it could go down the taboo path if there is no intention of doing it?

i think you're creating an unnecessary problem

 

[sirhugs]

Let me ask you this. If there is no sex with the cousin, if its just the cousin bragging of her oral skills and Harriet for some reason also bringing them up, but the MC is only interested in Harriet...

Why does there need to be a cousin at all? Just have her be a friend or co-worker...why set up what looks like it could go down the taboo path if there is no intention of doing it?

i think you're creating an unnecessary problem

I think of it as a necessary problem. The psychological pull of the forbidden attraction is overcome by the effects of Harriet's hidden talents.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think of it as a necessary problem. The psychological pull of the forbidden attraction is overcome by the effects of Harriet's hidden talents.

Fair enough, and in that case the I/T readers will not be happy with it.

I'll stick to EC, with either no disclaimer or a carefully worded one that won't trigger Laurel into booting it to I/T anywa.

 

[LexxRuthless]

Let me ask you this. If there is no sex with the cousin, if its just the cousin bragging of her oral skills and Harriet for some reason also bringing them up, but the MC is only interested in Harriet...

Why does there need to be a cousin at all? Just have her be a friend or co-worker...why set up what looks like it could go down the taboo path if there is no intention of doing it?

i think you're creating an unnecessary problem

I think of it as a necessary problem. The psychological pull of the forbidden attraction is overcome by the effects of Harriet's hidden talents.

Sounds like you're setting this future relationship with the cousin up for a future installment, or at least hinting at the possibility at this point? I like the approach, if that's the case. You can really take your time to let the attraction build. In the current chapter, it's "I really wasn't interested in my cousin at all." Then, a couple chapters later, "It was tough for me to hang out with her and not picture some of the things she had described."

When it reaches the point of, "I couldn't stop picturing her sucking a dick, and I was hard every time we hung out," readers will be SO ready for them to have sex.

 

[SimonDoom]

I think of it as a necessary problem. The psychological pull of the forbidden attraction is overcome by the effects of Harriet's hidden talents.

I'm all in favor of an author pursuing his muse even if it takes him to weird places, but since you asked about this story . . . it confuses me. I can't tell what category it should be in because I can't tell what the REAL story is in this story. Is it about the cousin and the narrator? Or is it about Harriet and the narrator? It seems confused, without focus. You don't seem to have the narrator-Harriet relationship worked out, and if they're going to be engaged in sexual activity then it's important to work that out.

I agree with Lexx that if this is just going to be the first chapter in a story that ends up being about the narrator and the cousin, then it makes sense as an incest story. But if your intention is that nothing ever happens between the narrator and the cousin, then I don't get it. Those readers who don't like incest stories won't like it because of the incest angle. Those readers who DO like incest won't like it because it teases with incest but doesn't deliver it.

I think you should figure out if the story is REALLY about the narrator and the cousin or the narrator and Harriet. If it's about the cousin, then what is the story between the two of them? Where do you see that story ending up? If it's about Harriet, then what's the point of the cousin? Isn't it a distraction? Where does the story with Harriet end up?

You have to think through the whole story and where it ends up to figure out the right category.

 

[lovecraft68]

Sounds like you're setting this future relationship with the cousin up for a future installment, or at least hinting at the possibility at this point? I like the approach, if that's the case. You can really take your time to let the attraction build. In the current chapter, it's "I really wasn't interested in my cousin at all." Then, a couple chapters later, "It was tough for me to hang out with her and not picture some of the things she had described."

When it reaches the point of, "I couldn't stop picturing her sucking a dick, and I was hard every time we hung out," readers will be SO ready for them to have sex.

If the story is ultimately going to lead to him with his cousin that means additional options.

he could post the non taboo chapter(chapters) in EC then jump to I/T when it gets to that point

Or he could start in I/T with a disclaimer this will be a long slow burn taboo journey.

if he writes enough thoughts about the cousin in chapter one, or adds some type of tension there...maybe they kissed once on a bet or when drunk, or he's seen her naked...something to give a tease to the I/T readers he may avoid chapter one getting hammered, but there will have to be some good hints about what's coming to justify a non taboo chapter in taboo

 

[sirhugs]

If the story is ultimately going to lead to him with his cousin that means additional options.

he could post the non taboo chapter(chapters) in EC then jump to I/T when it gets to that point

Or he could start in I/T with a disclaimer this will be a long slow burn taboo journey.

if he writes enough thoughts about the cousin in chapter one, or adds some type of tension there...maybe they kissed once on a bet or when drunk, or he's seen her naked...something to give a tease to the I/T readers he may avoid chapter one getting hammered, but there will have to be some good hints about what's coming to justify a non taboo chapter in taboo

Trying to avoid I/T, not wanting to be typecast. goes back to a deal with a former editor. She gave up when No More Monkeys went six chapters... after that for her I agreed no more than half my works will be incest, even though "Monkeys" are my most high scoring works.* I also find it keeps me fresher.

*whoops... just checked again... Experience Really Does Count, which is in Mature, is now my #1.

The comment about open to cousin in a future chapter is correct though.

This story acknowledges the attraction, the gal that gives him the bj teases him about it. At some future point, they might need to find out which gal really gives the World's Best Blowjob.

 

[sirhugs]

I'm all in favor of an author pursuing his muse even if it takes him to weird places, but since you asked about this story . . . it confuses me. I can't tell what category it should be in because I can't tell what the REAL story is in this story. Is it about the cousin and the narrator? Or is it about Harriet and the narrator? It seems confused, without focus. You don't seem to have the narrator-Harriet relationship worked out, and if they're going to be engaged in sexual activity then it's important to work that out.

I agree with Lexx that if this is just going to be the first chapter in a story that ends up being about the narrator and the cousin, then it makes sense as an incest story. But if your intention is that nothing ever happens between the narrator and the cousin, then I don't get it. Those readers who don't like incest stories won't like it because of the incest angle. Those readers who DO like incest won't like it because it teases with incest but doesn't deliver it.

I think you should figure out if the story is REALLY about the narrator and the cousin or the narrator and Harriet. If it's about the cousin, then what is the story between the two of them? Where do you see that story ending up? If it's about Harriet, then what's the point of the cousin? Isn't it a distraction? Where does the story with Harriet end up?

You have to think through the whole story and where it ends up to figure out the right category.

In a nushell, it is about him finding out that the reality of the bj gal is better than the fantasy of the cousin, and secondarily is a tribute to the hidden talents of the "plain jane" types

 

[lovecraft68]

Trying to avoid I/T, not wanting to be typecast. goes back to a deal with a former editor. She gave up when No More Monkeys went six chapters... after that for her I agreed no more than half my works will be incest, even though "Monkeys" are my most high scoring works.* I also find it keeps me fresher.

*whoops... just checked again... Experience Really Does Count, which is in Mature, is now my #1.

The comment about open to cousin in a future chapter is correct though.

This story acknowledges the attraction, the gal that gives him the bj teases him about it. At some future point, they might need to find out which gal really gives the World's Best Blowjob.

At the risk of sounding like kind of a tool...

I don't care much for what you're saying here.

You'r editor is telling you what to write, or more accurately what not to write? Or how much of it to write?

Typecast? We're not actors here, and who cares if someone writes exclusively in one category or writes all over the place? Only thing that's important is you write the story you want to write whatever the category.

You said former, then made it sound like you made a promise to her...was that to get her back as an editor?

if so I'd drop her like a bad habit. Telling someone what to write is bullshit.

For the record I have no doubt I'm typecast as an incest author, but yet 3 of my 4 most successful stories are mature, the most successful is first time.

My theory on that is because I enjoy taboo and will write any idea I have for it, but when I do get the call to write another story I do and that's why those stories tuned out well, I wrote them because I wanted to, not because "Okay, that's three straight mom stories, time for something new." and force it.

This last part isn't aimed at you, but what I see here in general. For a forum of writers-hence creative & talented people, I see way to many people writing for readers and what they want, rather than what they want to write.

Shame of it is, what I've always felt is the best part of this site is no matter what you write, readers who are into it will find you. There's no need to pander or force anything. Write it they will come(pun intended)

 

[sirhugs]

For better or worse... The World's Best Blowjob?

My big concern was not having Laurel bump it into incest, and that did not happen- it went into EC.


Despite the comments above, I am quite happy with the story. Not sure how it will do, somewhat different than what I usually write, but I think I did Harriet justice.

Thanks for the thoughts.

 

[Jamie_and_Lisa]

Just a thought: If it's a long story, and the MC ends up having a sexual relationship with the cousin, you could clarify that by starting with a scene from the future where the two are together before returning to the present and working your way toward the opening scene. Even if it takes chapters to get there.

 

[sirhugs]

Just a thought: If it's a long story, and the MC ends up having a sexual relationship with the cousin, you could clarify that by starting with a scene from the future where the two are together before returning to the present and working your way toward the opening scene. Even if it takes chapters to get there.

nice idea, the sort of thing I might do, except having done what I did, if I continue, the real questions are - do I:

~ devote a chapter to the narrator having sex with Harriet;
~ combine that with Harriet conscripting cousin Mel for the world's Bet blowjob challenge?
~ have an interlude where the other friends- Amber and Patty- get a turn?
~ go straight to Mel's turn to try to give the World's Best blowjob?
~ continue to avoid the incest turn entirely or not?

 

[sirhugs]

Solid score, and of this writing, three appreciative comments, no negative comments.

Thanks again.