Wuhan Flu update.

[oggbashan]

What an interesting argument. So, by this logic, we haven't found a transmission medium for gravity so it must be caused by elves.

Maybe. But the WHO, despite obstruction by the Chinese, has not excluded the laboratory as a possibility.

 

[Conager]

When a person with heart disease dies of pneumonia, the cause of death is listed as pneumonia. You may think that's incorrect, but that's been the standard for all of my career, and I'm sure for decades before that. So you're actually still pretending this isn't real? Denial is the conservatives' favorite talking point. Has been for a long time.

And again, who is talking about Biden? Certainly not me. Have you seen me praise his coronavirus response? Ever? I don't have enough data to decide yet.

Medicare fraud? Alzheimer's? Ummm...you need to focus a bit or is this more diversion from the actual issue?

I can't decide if you're being obtuse. When a person dies of pneumonia right now it's listed as covid-19. That half a million number that you're throwing around by the way is not a covid-19 number it's a P.I.C. number which stands for pneumonia influenza and covid. It's like you don't even pay any attention at all to the medicine and arw just listening to whatever bulshit news drone that you listen to.

 

[Sean]

Maybe. But the WHO, despite obstruction by the Chinese, has not excluded the laboratory as a possibility.

CERN haven't excluded elves, either.

 

[bellisarius]

The absence of any other viable source for the virus at that place and time. The only thing that's even in question at this point is whether the virus was manipulated in the lab or simply a sample that got loose.

Do try to keep up with the rest of the class.

He's obviously in a news void.

 

[Conager]

What an interesting argument. So, by this logic, we haven't found a transmission medium for gravity so it must be caused by elves.

You really shouldn't open your mouth when it comes to logic or rhetorical argument because it gives away the fact that you haven't spent a single day in law school much less have the degree that you claim to have.

 

[sigh]

Absolute unmitigated bullshit. There were no "studies" there were pronouncements of efficacy in various locales wherever a cherry-picked data point could be found and those various locales were never spoken of again when they, in turn, spiked.

The only thing that made any difference at all was weather. The changes in weather it changes how many fresh air exchangers you're likely to get because it depends on what sort of ventilation you have available and how much time people are spending outside. That was the only thing that made any difference; the only thing that you can positively correlate. All the rest of it was statistically noise.

So I should listen to Doctor Q or to the infectious disease specialist I've worked alongside of for more than two decades? Should I listen to a trained epidemiologist or an ophthalmologist who hasn't practiced for more than a decade and whose previous experience with infectious diseases centered mostly around pink eye. Or maybe the Houston witch doctor who claimed to have treated 300 kids with hydroxychloroquine. Considering Trump's choice of expert sources, you have a long way to go before challenging mine.

And for the record (again) Pfizer-BioNTech co-developed their vaccine. BioNTech had the experience. Pfizer had the money. And neither accepted any money for research and development of the vaccine, only a guaranteed contract when it was available.

 

[Conager]

He's obviously in a news void.

He's always been an idiot. He's always sounded the most knowledgeable when he opens his mouth the least and just feigns smug, unspecified knowledge.

He ignores Occam's razor and goes with the Elven theory of gravity as if Occam's razor does not apply in this specific situation. There are only limited places that such a virus could come from.

 

[Conager]

So I should listen to Doctor Q or to the infectious disease specialist I've worked alongside of for more than two decades? Should I listen to a trained epidemiologist or an ophthalmologist who hasn't practiced for more than a decade and whose previous experience with infectious diseases centered mostly around pink eye. Or maybe the Houston witch doctor who claimed to have treated 300 kids with hydroxychloroquine. Considering Trump's choice of expert sources, you have a long way to go before challenging mine.

And for the record (again) Pfizer-BioNTech co-developed their vaccine. BioNTech had the experience. Pfizer had the money. And neither accepted any money for research and development of the vaccizne, only a guaranteed contract when it was available.

I'm not impressed with vague appeals to authority. Put up a study or shut the fuck up. The "everybody knows" experts have had 18 months to design and execute a study as to why this virus is stopped by cloth and the 1918 virus (and SARS) was not

I think I'm about done with you and your b*******. That's not the gist of what I was pointing out about your b*******. What I pointed out about your b******* with a bull when you said there was no plan to distribute the vaccine and which is b*******. You could at least acknowledge that it was bulshit or you can just keep spouting bulshit you bullshitter.

I'm completely less than impressed with the entire medical establishment during this Mass hysteria. You people with pronouncements like you're making actually did kill people.

 

[Pookie]

I'm not impressed with vague appeals to authority. Put up a study or shut the fuck up. The "everybody knows" experts have had 18 months to design and execute a study as to why this virus is stopped by cloth and the 1918 virus (and SARS) was not

Oh, the irony.

 

[sigh]

I can't decide if you're being obtuse. When a person dies of pneumonia right now it's listed as covid-19. That half a million number that you're throwing around by the way is not a covid-19 number it's a P.I.C. number which stands for pneumonia influenza and covid. It's like you don't even pay any attention at all to the medicine and arw just listening to whatever bulshit news drone that you listen to.

Where are you getting this? Deaths from Covid are listed separately as well. And that's the number that is reported. The CDC says that 574000 people have died with Covid listed as cause of death. In 90% of those cases, Covid was listed as the underlying cause of death. In the other 10%, Covid was listed as a contributing cause.

Now, please explain the huge increase in death by any cause in 2020, if not caused by Covid.

 

[Sean]

Oh, the irony.

Marvellous, isn't it? Self owns are always delectable.

 

[Sean]

Now, please explain the huge increase in death by any cause in 2020, if not caused by Covid.

Elves.

 

[Pookie]

Where are you getting this? Deaths from Covid are listed separately as well. And that's the number that is reported. The CDC says that 574000 people have died with Covid listed as cause of death. In 90% of those cases, Covid was listed as the underlying cause of death. In the other 10%, Covid was listed as a contributing cause.

Now, please explain the huge increase in death by any cause in 2020, if not caused by Covid.

I'm gonna blame the elves.

 

[sigh]

I'm not impressed with vague appeals to authority. Put up a study or shut the fuck up. The "everybody knows" experts have had 18 months to design and execute a study as to why this virus is stopped by cloth and the 1918 virus (and SARS) was not

I think I'm about done with you and your b*******. That's not the gist of what I was pointing out about your b*******. What I pointed out about your b******* with a bull when you said there was no plan to distribute the vaccine and which is b*******. You could at least acknowledge that it was bulshit or you can just keep spouting bulshit you bullshitter.

I'm completely less than impressed with the entire medical establishment during this Mass hysteria. You people with pronouncements like you're making actually did kill people.

Okay, there was a plan. It was just a shitty one that didn't work.

 

[Pookie]

Elves.

Fucker!!!

 

[Sean]

Fucker!!!

 

[MartinHeidegger]

Que seems awfully pissy he got caught promoting fake news.

 

[oggbashan]

It's not elves. It is the elephants stamping their feet.

 

[Conager]

Okay, there was a plan. It was just a shitty one that didn't work.

Odd, since the number of vaccinations was right up there with Bidens most optimistic projections.

I'll take that as you want to continue with your mindless partisan b*******.

I'm quite sure you can't name a single thing that he should have done differently.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

The CDC says the death rate increased 15.9%, but your point is made.

Link

I'm not a covid denier, nor an anti-vaxer. It just seems to me that covid, while serious, got way too much air time. Heart disease killed twice as many Americans, yet McDonald's remained open.

Heart disease has been around as long as man, COVID is new (to us). That's the difference although I concur with your take about "net losses."

 

[colddiesel]

In my simple, layman's view, it doesn't seem like those states with the most restrictive measures had any better outcome than those states with the least restrictive measures.

Maybe if you looked beyond your borders you would have noticed that at least a dozen countries have done much better than the Americas and Western Europe, largely because they did not quibble over every petty detail and had one thing in common - a sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens.

It's an interesting trait of the old world that they never think the others can do anything better than them, or teach them anything, even when they do!

 

[LukSkyFokker]

You really shouldn't open your mouth when it comes to logic or rhetorical argument because it gives away the fact that you haven't spent a single day in law school much less have the degree that you claim to have.

Which college and law school did you graduate from, Dr. Coronager?

 

[HisArpy]

Maybe if you looked beyond your borders you would have noticed that at least a dozen countries have done much better than the Americas and Western Europe, largely because they did not quibble over every petty detail and had one thing in common - a sense of responsibility to their fellow citizens.

It's an interesting trait of the old world that they never think the others can do anything better than them, or teach them anything, even when they do!

You mean, like Brazil?

 

[Conager]

The human costs of this induced mass hysteria continue: https://www.cpr.org/2021/05/25/covid-mental-health-childrens-hospital-colorado/

. . .and the usual fans of "for the greater good" will continue to insist their actions were moral and justifiable.

 

[sigh]

I'm not impressed with vague appeals to authority. Put up a study or shut the fuck up. The "everybody knows" experts have had 18 months to design and execute a study as to why this virus is stopped by cloth and the 1918 virus (and SARS) was not

I think I'm about done with you and your b*******. That's not the gist of what I was pointing out about your b*******. What I pointed out about your b******* with a bull when you said there was no plan to distribute the vaccine and which is b*******. You could at least acknowledge that it was bulshit or you can just keep spouting bulshit you bullshitter.

I'm completely less than impressed with the entire medical establishment during this Mass hysteria. You people with pronouncements like you're making actually did kill people.

Funny you're demanding a study since the only one you've shared was discredited and retracted by its publisher before you even posted about it. Why should I produce a study to counteract your fake study?

Wow, talk about hysteria. You ran out of talking points so you just went into raging b******t mode. (You can say bullshit, by the way. Supposed to be only grownups on this board.)