Wuhan Flu update.

[LukSkyFokker]

This starts to tie in with the Nov. hospitalization of three lab workers.

But as the quotes states, it does not prove anything one way or the other.

Nothing in this thread has proved anything.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Nothing in this thread has proved anything.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8xzEHiXsAIRXJa.jpg

 

[BBCfan]

This starts to tie in with the Nov. hospitalization of three lab workers.

But as the quotes states, it does not prove anything one way or the other.

It proves Commie Chinese dictatorship are being sneaky untrustworthy cunts. WTF...you expect a written admission of a lab leak.

People are sounding more and more like that John Cena asshole.

 

[bellisarius]

It proves Commie Chinese dictatorship are being sneaky untrustworthy cunts. WTF...you expect a written admission of a lab leak.

People are sounding more and more like that John Cena asshole.

Even that wouldn't be sufficient for some of the "a bat kissed a Pangolin, get over it" crowd.

Every one of these little revelations makes them scramble more to come up with an explanation. Are they going to cross themselves up? We shall see.

 

[Champakian]

You guys should send me your wives’ email addresses so i can ask them to talk to you about this stuff at home. Or at least to pretend to listen.

Grown men of your age should be arguing on the internet about synthetic versus dino-oil and your favorite lesbians…. You know, the important stuff.

I have a shirt that I like to wear. It says, "I've stopped listening, why are you still talking?"

 

[HisArpy]

This starts to tie in with the Nov. hospitalization of three lab workers.

But as the quotes states, it does not prove anything one way or the other.

Actually it does.

It proves that those who denied the lab leak jumped the gun. It proves that the censorship of the lab leak story/theory is/was politically motivated rather than based on the science or evidence (that was coincidentally deleted or hidden by those very people at the top denying the lab leak theory). It proves that the mindset of a certain faction of our society is more interested in elevating their narrative than the truth.

 

[rockcasbah]

Actually it does.

It proves that those who denied the lab leak jumped the gun. It proves that the censorship of the lab leak story/theory is/was politically motivated rather than based on the science or evidence (that was coincidentally deleted or hidden by those very people at the top denying the lab leak theory). It proves that the mindset of a certain faction of our society is more interested in elevating their narrative than the truth.

Big Temptations fan, are ye?

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[BBCfan]

I have a shirt that I like to wear. It says, "I've stopped listening, why are you still talking?"

those who aren't listening to the emerging truth. Just closed their minds to certain probabilities.

The mind is like a parachute...most effective when open.

 

[HisArpy]

Big Temptations fan, are ye?

https://img.discogs.com/PZAGYqAa16yosim3TH6pdSEvSzs=/fit-in/300x300/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(40)/discogs-images/R-4595965-1589911045-3716.jpeg.jpg

More like this:

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R284fd4133cecb54e443c8cbfbd868e15?rik=j5cZu%2bahb55b5A&pid=ImgRaw

 

[Philthy_Phil]

Actually it does.

It proves that those who denied the lab leak jumped the gun. It proves that the censorship of the lab leak story/theory is/was politically motivated rather than based on the science or evidence (that was coincidentally deleted or hidden by those very people at the top denying the lab leak theory). It proves that the mindset of a certain faction of our society is more interested in elevating their narrative than the truth.

No it doesnt, rapey. Until an official report and investigation is complete you're just spewing more of your ignorance and god knows we've put up with a lot of your ignorance.

 

[quietlylooking]

For more details about the deleted sequences, read this:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01731-3

 

[BBCfan]

For more details about the deleted sequences, read this:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01731-3

good article.

 

[colddiesel]

I took some time (wasted!) and read up on incidents at all the 75 or so level 4 security labs world wide.

Generally they have a terrible and well deserved reputation for accidents, incompetence, and cover ups The UK's Porton Down for example, deliberately put Sarin on a serviceman. He died and they spent 50 years denying liability. They made so many errors that eventually the government made the site subject to the Official Secrets Act so that no-one could expose their errors.

The old US Federal research centre in Maryland had similar issues but they elected to put the lives of 7th day Adventists at risk (because they were conchies!) The US has similarly made it a federal offence to expose what has gone on in their research centres.

I am not defending China in the slightest but almost every country with a level 4 facility has found it necessary to hide their cock ups and incompetence.

 

[rockcasbah]

Can you say MK Ultra?

( i knew you could)

 

[bellisarius]

I took some time (wasted!) and read up on incidents at all the 75 or so level 4 security labs world wide.

Generally they have a terrible and well deserved reputation for accidents, incompetence, and cover ups The UK's Porton Down for example, deliberately put Sarin on a serviceman. He died and they spent 50 years denying liability. They made so many errors that eventually the government made the site subject to the Official Secrets Act so that no-one could expose their errors.

The old US Federal research centre in Maryland had similar issues but they elected to put the lives of 7th day Adventists at risk (because they were conchies!) The US has similarly made it a federal offence to expose what has gone on in their research centres.

I am not defending China in the slightest but almost every country with a level 4 facility has found it necessary to hide their cock ups and incompetence.

Can you say MK Ultra?

( i knew you could)

Those are well known.

What has been referred to earlier in this thread is the fact that there have been accidental releases from US labs as well. In each case the contagion was contained to the immediate lab and a few workers at those labs. There have been accidents re. chemical agents as well, the most infamous being the incident at Dugway Proving Grounds in 1968.

My references re. accidental releases are differentiated from those you have referred to in that what you are talking about are purposeful, unethical, unjustifiable, experiments.

 

[Sean]

Well now.

https://zenodo.org/record/5075888

 

[LukSkyFokker]

This thread is going as well as his idiot son's "This is what I do for a living so I'm an expert and you should listen to me cuz I'm right!" thread.

https://i.imgur.com/6aY1eJ6.jpg?1

 

[Pookie]

Well now.

https://zenodo.org/record/5075888

https://i.gifer.com/5JEr.gif

 

[Pookie]

Conclusions

As for the vast majority of human viruses, the most parsimonious explanation for the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a zoonotic event. The documented epidemiological history of the virus is
comparable to previous animal market-associated outbreaks of coronaviruses with a simple
route for human exposure. The contact tracing of SARS-CoV-2 to markets in Wuhan exhibits
striking similarities to the early spread of SARS-CoV to markets in Guangdong, where humans
infected early in the epidemic lived near or worked in animal markets. Zoonotic spillover by
definition selects for viruses able to infect humans. The laboratory escapes documented to date
have almost exclusively involved viruses brought into laboratories specifically because of their
known human infectivity.

There is currently no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has a laboratory origin. There is no evidence
that any early cases had any connection to the WIV, in contrast to the clear epidemiological links
to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of
SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic. The suspicion that SARS-CoV-2 might have a laboratory
origin stems from the coincidence that it was first detected in a city that houses a major
virological laboratory that studies coronaviruses. Wuhan is the largest city in central China with
multiple animal markets and is a major hub for travel and commerce, well connected to other
areas both within China and internationally. The link to Wuhan therefore more likely reflects the
fact that pathogens often require heavily populated areas to become established20.
We contend that there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for
SARS-CoV-2. While the possibility of a laboratory accident cannot be entirely dismissed, and
may be near impossible to falsify, this conduit for emergence is highly unlikely relative to the
numerous and repeated human-animal contacts that occur routinely in the wildlife trade. Failure
to comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully
coordinated studies would leave the world vulnerable to future pandemics arising from the same
human activities that have repeatedly put us on a collision course with novel viruses.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ij8AeeqXKFZm0/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bcumlzj49jsidr1wk2stmmf5xm17qa4v4rwni6deb&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

 

[rockcasbah]

The new Vanity Fair piece on the topic is a better read.

If it quacks like Peking Duck….

 

[Lazaran]

Well now.

https://zenodo.org/record/5075888

I expect crickets or But-Buts from the "T**** was right" & "I always knew it was created by China in the Wuhan lab" crowd.

Fortunately reputable scientists don't jump to conclusions the way T**** and LIT's Q contingent do.

*nods*

 

[sigh]

Conclusions

As for the vast majority of human viruses, the most parsimonious explanation for the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a zoonotic event. The documented epidemiological history of the virus is
comparable to previous animal market-associated outbreaks of coronaviruses with a simple
route for human exposure. The contact tracing of SARS-CoV-2 to markets in Wuhan exhibits
striking similarities to the early spread of SARS-CoV to markets in Guangdong, where humans
infected early in the epidemic lived near or worked in animal markets. Zoonotic spillover by
definition selects for viruses able to infect humans. The laboratory escapes documented to date
have almost exclusively involved viruses brought into laboratories specifically because of their
known human infectivity.

There is currently no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has a laboratory origin. There is no evidence
that any early cases had any connection to the WIV, in contrast to the clear epidemiological links
to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of
SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic. The suspicion that SARS-CoV-2 might have a laboratory
origin stems from the coincidence that it was first detected in a city that houses a major
virological laboratory that studies coronaviruses. Wuhan is the largest city in central China with
multiple animal markets and is a major hub for travel and commerce, well connected to other
areas both within China and internationally. The link to Wuhan therefore more likely reflects the
fact that pathogens often require heavily populated areas to become established20.
We contend that there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for
SARS-CoV-2. While the possibility of a laboratory accident cannot be entirely dismissed, and
may be near impossible to falsify, this conduit for emergence is highly unlikely relative to the
numerous and repeated human-animal contacts that occur routinely in the wildlife trade. Failure
to comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully
coordinated studies would leave the world vulnerable to future pandemics arising from the same
human activities that have repeatedly put us on a collision course with novel viruses.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ij8AeeqXKFZm0/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bcumlzj49jsidr1wk2stmmf5xm17qa4v4rwni6deb&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

Thanks. You saved my blood pressure. This thread had devolved for a while to a full blown conspiracy theory wrap-around.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Conclusions

As for the vast majority of human viruses, the most parsimonious explanation for the origin of
SARS-CoV-2 is a zoonotic event. The documented epidemiological history of the virus is
comparable to previous animal market-associated outbreaks of coronaviruses with a simple
route for human exposure. The contact tracing of SARS-CoV-2 to markets in Wuhan exhibits
striking similarities to the early spread of SARS-CoV to markets in Guangdong, where humans
infected early in the epidemic lived near or worked in animal markets. Zoonotic spillover by
definition selects for viruses able to infect humans. The laboratory escapes documented to date
have almost exclusively involved viruses brought into laboratories specifically because of their
known human infectivity.

There is currently no evidence that SARS-CoV-2 has a laboratory origin. There is no evidence
that any early cases had any connection to the WIV, in contrast to the clear epidemiological links
to animal markets in Wuhan, nor evidence that the WIV possessed or worked on a progenitor of
SARS-CoV-2 prior to the pandemic. The suspicion that SARS-CoV-2 might have a laboratory
origin stems from the coincidence that it was first detected in a city that houses a major
virological laboratory that studies coronaviruses. Wuhan is the largest city in central China with
multiple animal markets and is a major hub for travel and commerce, well connected to other
areas both within China and internationally. The link to Wuhan therefore more likely reflects the
fact that pathogens often require heavily populated areas to become established20.
We contend that there is substantial body of scientific evidence supporting a zoonotic origin for
SARS-CoV-2. While the possibility of a laboratory accident cannot be entirely dismissed, and
may be near impossible to falsify, this conduit for emergence is highly unlikely relative to the
numerous and repeated human-animal contacts that occur routinely in the wildlife trade. Failure
to comprehensively investigate the zoonotic origin through collaborative and carefully
coordinated studies would leave the world vulnerable to future pandemics arising from the same
human activities that have repeatedly put us on a collision course with novel viruses.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/ij8AeeqXKFZm0/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bcumlzj49jsidr1wk2stmmf5xm17qa4v4rwni6deb&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

I expect crickets or But-Buts from the "T**** was right" & "I always knew it was created by China in the Wuhan lab" crowd.

Fortunately reputable scientists don't jump to conclusions the way T**** and LIT's Q contingent do.

*nods*

Despite the bitch slap from authority to the basics here, Ish will probably defiantly scream, "WUUUUUUHAAAAAAAAN FLUUUUUUUUUU!!!! IT'S STILL THE WUUUUUUHAAAAAAAAN FLUUUUUUUUUU!!!!" at the top of his lungs while barefoot in his backyard before he goes to bed at night, just to help himself sleep better.

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[bellisarius]

Well now.

https://zenodo.org/record/5075888

A good read and they've made their case.

The paper is in two parts. The first part argues FOR a zoonotic origin while the second part argues AGAINST a lab release.

For the first part. The authors, while making a case for a zoonotic origin freely admit that no such origin has been found to date. The scatter graph strongly suggests that the epicenter is the local wet market, a market in close proximity to the lab. That the virus should spread from a location that is frequented by hoards of people is quite normal and should surprise no one. Lastly no mention is made of the lab workers that were hospitalized in late Nov./early Dec. or 2019.

As to the second part. The authors build a case around the fact that no EPIDEMIC has ever been traced back to any lab engaged in such research. That is a valid statement (the SARS issue dropped out in that it basically was a purposeful release). The key word here is EPIDEMIC. Lab workers have been infected in the past fortunately those infections were contained to the few that were infected and no epidemic resulted.

They then go into a discussion as to how the DNA sequence that created the unique spike protein MIGHT have arisen in a zoonotic host. That portion of the discussion will have to be addressed by geneticists.

All in all they've made their case albeit what they've presented, while plausible, is still inconclusive.

Science is a debate, an ongoing debate. What is taken as fact today is proven to be wrong tomorrow. This paper is likely to provoke even more papers. Those that support the authors hypothesis and papers that will argue against said hypothesis. Let the scientific fight begin.

 

[Pookie]

Thanks. You saved my blood pressure. This thread had devolved for a while to a full blown conspiracy theory wrap-around.

*curtsy*



Sean deserves credit for posting it though. He's rarely associated with lowering blood pressure, but here we have it.