Writerly....sort of...Kissing a Woman...for the very first time…

amicus

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From the guy side of the world, I pretty much know, or have learned when a woman wants to be kissed or will accept a kiss. I know where I will place my hands on her back or shouldersor arms, just how close to stand, how to turn my face to avoid a nose collision and thus I can write those scenes and feel somewhat secure in my knowledge that I portray the thoughts, feelings and actions, from the male side, fairly accurately.

I was back and forth between a football game and Natalie Portman as Nova Lee and the Walmart baby thing, and towards the end of the movie there was a kiss in the offing and I thought about a kiss from a woman’s point of view.

Just as I have been visiting porn sites to watch facial expressions and sounds of women during intercourse, I also watch chic flic’s for the same reason, to observe, from afar, the mechanics of romance and love and all that stuff.

I think I have a fairly good imagination and even though JBJ disagrees, even a sense of empathy with the female creature and how she thinks and feels; but of course, I cannot ‘know’ that.

So much goes into the preliminaries or (old song) Prelude to a Kiss, such as, the guy is usually, not always, but usually somewhat taller than the gal. That means her face is going to be tilted to present her lips and she may even be on the balls of her feet or tiptoes, and perhaps a little unbalanced.

Then there is the matter of her hands…does she think about where she places them or is it reflex or habit? Does she rest them gently around his waist and if so, what do her fingers do, anything? Does she use her hands, perhaps to hold him slightly at bay, to control the closeness or the degree of touching bodies?

Or, her hands could be on his forearms, tightly or loosely, which would either mean; or on his arms above the elbow and why the difference and what might that mean?

Or as in dancing her hands could be on his shoulders or even behind his neck or in his hair at the back of his head, in each case, if so, why? And it is a conscious choice or a matter of habit or it just happens without direction because of desire or early arousal?

Of course I can imagine or create the scenario to suit my characters and perhaps the motivations I provide, if telling the story from the female pov, and hope they are accurate, real and relevant, but then, as a guy, I will never know for sure.

I wondered, when I began crafting my very first attempt at writing from a woman’s viewpoint of just why I felt compelled to do so…still not sure, except that since it is naturally alien to me as a man, I am curious and perhaps a little mystified as to how a woman thinks and feels.

I guess I really don’t have a specific question but I would appreciate any thoughts you may have.

Amicus…
 
If the kiss goes on longer than a second or two, and I'm very into it, one hand will go to the nape of his neck, fingers up under his hair - the other maybe around his waist, or up on his shoulder.

Oh, soft lips are a must for a good kiss. Surprising, how many guys don't realize that.

Hope that helps.
 
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Thanks Cloudy....soft lips, eh? Hmmm...I describe a woman's lips as soft warm and perhaps even a little moist from a tongue, but a guys lips...soft...I sometimes say, gentle, exploring, hesitant but never emphasized the 'soft', interesting.


ami ....clicked on a rose nuttin happened?
 
cloudy said:
If the kiss goes on longer than a second or two, and I'm very into it, one hand will go to the nape of his neck, fingers up under his hair - the other maybe around his waist, or up on his shoulder.

Oh, soft lips are a must for a good kiss. Surprising, how many guys don't realize that.

Hope that helps.



Okay, okay.....I'll do better next time. ;)

Soft lips and body contact for a sensual kiss, make.
 
This may sound as if I'm taking the piss.

A woman's kiss (and lots of men by the way) is spontaneous, whether it has been planned for all evening or spur of the moment. There are no mechanics, it just happens. Think in terms of the exact opposite of yours.
 
gauchecritic said:
This may sound as if I'm taking the piss.

A woman's kiss (and lots of men by the way) is spontaneous, whether it has been planned for all evening or spur of the moment. There are no mechanics, it just happens. Think in terms of the exact opposite of yours.

~~~

I was, after all, talking about writing, gauche, gads...

amicus...
 
impressive said:
I imagine


Amicus... I remember reading a story about a first kiss, someone here might be able to supply a reference. The couple were naked, no hand/body touching, just lips. I think it was written from a woman's POV. Highly erotic.
 
Yes, JBJ. and, no, they don't.

As I noted in the original, I didn't and don't have a specific question in mind, rather wanted to see how folks responded.

Women can, and do, I suppose, initiate a first kiss, but I suspect that the male is usually the kisser of the first kiss and the woman responds as she sees fit, or as someone said, instinctively, automatically, emotionally, pick your poison.

I enjoy exploring the possibilities when I create a new female character and I try to include all things, taste, smell, touch, texture, emotions, heart beat, breathing rate, agitation, confusion, doubt, fear, reluctance, it all depends on the individual and the situation, of course.

I suppose, if, in a story, I get something really incongruent, my critics will readily say so.

Amicus...
 
AMICUS

There was a time when America was filled to the rim with individuals. I was listening to some old recordings, and all of the vocalists had distinct sounds.

Many famous singers of yester-year wouldnt make it today because the industry homogenizes the product now. Louis Armstrong comes to mind.

Porn is having the same effect on sex appeal.
 
JBJ...I need to think on that one for a while...I immediately began thinking exceptions to your observations, but I am going to hold them in silence for a bit...


amicus...
 
AMICUS

Of course there are exceptions. I always anchor my claims to statistics and normal distributions. God attends to every sparrow, while I attend to the distribution of sparrows. But we do seem to live in a monkey see, monkey do world.
 
Look, Ami -

The kiss is not important. Every woman and every kiss is different. What is important is the eye contact before the kiss. That will tell it all - will it happen? What kind of reaction you will get? How long it will last, and so on.

If there is real interest on the woman's part, the kiss will happen and proceed to... where ever ;)
 
Jenny! Aretha dont lie.

Does he love me?
I wanna know!
How can I tell if he loves me so?

(Is it in his eyes?)
Oh no! You need to see!
(Is it in his size?)
Oh no! You make believe!
If you wanna know
If he loves you so
Its in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)

(Oh yeah! Or is it in his face?)
no girls! It's just his charms!
(In his warm embrace?)
no girls! That's just his arms!
If you wanna know
If he loves you so
It's in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)
yeah!! Its in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)

Oh, oh, oh, honey !
Squeeze him tight!
Find out what you wanna know!
promise love, and if it really is,
It's there in his kiss!

(How 'bout the way he acts?)
no no no! That's not the way!
You're not listenin' to all I'm sayin'!
If you wanna know
If he loves you so
It's in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)
Oh, yeah! Its in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)

Oh, oh, oh, hold him !
Squeeze him tight!
Find out what you wanna know!
promise love, and if it really is,
well It's there in his kiss!

(How 'bout the way he acts?)
no no no! That's not the way!
You're not listenin' to all I'm sayin'!
If you wanna know
If he loves you so
It's in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)
Oh, yeah ! Its in his kiss!
(That's where it is!)
mmmm ! Its in his kiss!
(that's where it is)
mmmm is in his kiss
 
Why JAMESBJOHNSON!!! Who'da thunk it! A bit of the sentimental romantic in your crusty ole soul...imagine that!


There are some kisses that I have seen on the screen and written about that begin as a light exploratory nuzzle on a neck or cheek and begin to build as a challenge or a tease offered, with even consumation of the kiss a mystery as to when and if....

First kisses for a inexperienced young girl that builds until she becomes weak in the kness and overwhelmed by the amazing passion created by holding hands and an initial questioning offering of the lips...

Welcome back Jenny Jackson, happy to note you arrived safely and thank you for your comments.

Amicus...
 
Ami your amusing again, YAY for you. :nana:

The hands on the shoulder bit while dancing is because that is where they go. They move to the neck she wants a kiss or something more. ;)

Same thing while kissing, though generally a first kiss does not involve hands all over him, or her. They are tentative and exploratory and nobody knows what the hell they are doing.

Second kisses and beyond are what you are thinking of. Though I suppose not anymore since just about every movie made anymore there is kissing, plus the internet. I guess now everybody starts with the mauling right off and later on learns what the hell they are doing. :rolleyes:
 
[QUOTE=emap]Ami your amusing again, YAY for you. :nana:

The hands on the shoulder bit while dancing is because that is where they go. They move to the neck she wants a kiss or something more. ;)

Same thing while kissing, though generally a first kiss does not involve hands all over him, or her. They are tentative and exploratory and nobody knows what the hell they are doing.

Second kisses and beyond are what you are thinking of. Though I suppose not anymore since just about every movie made anymore there is kissing, plus the internet. I guess now everybody starts with the mauling right off and later on learns what the hell they are doing. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]


~~~

I am pleased as punch that I continue to amuse you, emap, scoot on over and make some room in that love seat.

Well taken your comments on what seems to happen, 'anymore' in the media and possible real life as so many live vicariously through television and the films.

I try, when I create characters, to avoid and evade the callousness of the common place and try to present, in most cases, an untouched soul reaching out to another in the most intimate and seldom shared manner. Piffle and fluff romanticism and fantasy, I know, but thas what I write and enjoy thinking about.

JBF, you cynical pessimistic ole fart anyway, just for you I will qualify 'inexperienced' with 'relatively inexperienced', and refer you to my above caveat.

cheers...


amicus...
 
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