Would you donate your face?

DéjàNu

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Very intersting question.

From BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2516181.stm

Face transplants 'on the horizon'

A leading plastic surgeon is calling for a debate about whether face transplants should take place.
Peter Butler said surgical techniques would allow the procedure to take place within the next six to nine months.

But he said it was essential for a moral and ethical debate to take place before anyone underwent the operation.

He told the BBC: "It is not 'Can we do it?' but 'Should we do it?'"

Mr Butler, a consultant plastic surgeon at London's Royal Free Hospital, will discuss the issues surrounding face transplants at the British Association of Plastic Surgeons in London on Wednesday.

Expression

Patients whose faces have been seriously disfigured by cancer, burns or accidents could be helped by such transplants.

It can be very difficult for surgeons to reconstruct a patient's face, because it needs to be able to move so people can convey expressions and feelings, particularly the lips, eyes and cheeks.

Skin grafts taken from other parts of the body, which patients can currently have, do not allow movement or sensitivity, creating a mask-like effect, said Mr Butler.


But he said face transplants, which could involve muscle and nerves as well as skin, would allow animation.

However, numbers are likely to be small. Mr Butler said there were likely to be just 10 to 15 patients in the country now who might be eligible for the procedure.

Once his research is complete, Mr Butler plans to ask permission to carry out a face transplant at his hospital, but expects the request to be forwarded on, perhaps to the Department of Health.

Connecting nerves

The microsurgical procedure, a technique already used by doctors, could involve a patient being given new lips, chin, ears, nose, skin and bone from a recently deceased person.


Mr Peter Butler, Royal Free Hospital
Blood vessels, arteries and veins would have to be taken from the donor's face.

At the same time, the recipient would have to have their face, facial muscles, skin and subcutaneous fat removed.

In order for the face transplant to work, nerves that control feeling and movement would have to be attached to be successful.

In addition, advances in suppressing the immune system's response to foreign tissue would give the procedure a better chance of success.

But Mr Butler admitted that a survey of people's attitudes, including doctors, nurses and lay people, had highlighted some serious concerns about face transplants.

"While people would, in general, accept a face transplant if they required it, they would actually not be willing to donate."

He added: "In the end, I think that technically, we will be able to do this within the next six to nine months.

"But it's whether we should do it. It's the moral and ethical debate that needs to be raised in a public way to find out what the issues are that need to be addressed to make this possible."

He accepted that face transplants raised different issues to kidney or heart transplants, but said when these first took place there was resistance which was later overcome.

'Aesthetic reasons'

Christine Piff, of Let's Face It, a support group for people who are facially disfigured, who herself had facial cancer 25 years ago and who wears a facial prosthesis, said she would not choose a face transplant.

"There's a hesitancy on my part, thinking that I would be wearing another face that didn't belong to me.

"But when I look at it logically, this is 2002, this is going to happen."

Dr Aric Sigman, a psychologist, said the operation would be aimed at people with seriously disfigurements: "What we don't know is what happens when they wake up with someone else's face."

But he warned: "The chances are, it won't be long before it's used for aesthetic reasons."
 
I heard the interview on the radio yesterday. it is intersting to hear the arguments for and against.

For myself, I think that they should go ahead but not for cosmetic reasons. I realise that in time all procedures will become available for cosmetic purposes but this should, as far as possible, be kept for those that need it.

As to donating. Why not? If I'm dead it's no damn good to me!
 
<chuckling> Some faces just shouldn't be donated.

As for mine, if they want it, have at it.
 
It would seem that, since the underlying bone structure provides a part of the face's look, and the brain controls the expressions, it doesn't seem that a person would be getting someone else's face, but a new, created face.

The face has such an impact on the people we meet, I would think that it would be just as important to someone who has lost their's as a heart or a kidney.

I don't think it would be lightly used like other cosmetic surgeries, too much involved, especially the rejection issues.

I wonder how many people with disfigured faces, given the opportunity to change, would.
 
if they are able to do it for faces they might someday be able to do it for penis.

Would you donate your penis?
 
DéjàNu said:
if they are able to do it for faces they might someday be able to do it for penis.

Would you donate your penis?

My donor card already says they can have what they find useful.

(so that lets the brain out!:p )
 
Am I the only one that thought of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre...and Leatherface?
 
bluespoke said:
Sorry what did you write............... can't find my glasses anywhere!

nahhhhhh you are not blind yet or you are going to be soon, you will have to change your username for bluecock tho


:)
 
I just found out the other day that just because you have donated your organs after your death, it is ultimately up to your family to make the final decision. If they choose not to follow your wishes they can. Pretty sad if you ask me, I am sure many people's wishes are not carried through...

silkee_A
 
DéjàNu said:
nahhhhhh you are not blind yet or you are going to be soon, you will have to change your username for bluecock tho


:)

It's winter, it'll do that naturally soon enough!:D
 
*cringe*

The thought of a world with people so ugly my face wouldmbe helpful to someone...

:rolleyes:
 
lol Quiet Cool. That was my first thought, too.

Actually, I bet people would prefer the bandaged "Invisible Man" look over having to wear my face.

However, in the future, I would imagine that they will be just as interchangeable as the faceplates we currently have for our watches and cell phones.

I am sure there are other practical applications.

You know - you could color coordinate faces to match your outfits!

You could have a smart, serious one (Einstein comes to mind) for job interviews or a tough, intractable one for negotiating economic or defense issues with foreign powers.

Then a soft, gentle one for dealing with kids. A sexy, hot face for nights out. And so on.

And, of course, a smiley one; a frowning one; a cool one and a roll eyes one for times when you post at Lit!
 
silkee_A said:
I just found out the other day that just because you have donated your organs after your death, it is ultimately up to your family to make the final decision. If they choose not to follow your wishes they can. Pretty sad if you ask me, I am sure many people's wishes are not carried through...

silkee_A

There is a way around this. Write down your instructions that you want to happen to you after your death. Give this to your lawyer. Amend your last will and testament to something along these lines.

"IF you dont allow me to donate my organs (specify which ones etc), my last will and testament states that I hereby give all my worldly possesions, real estates, moneys etc to the Red Cross, Cancer Society, Dogs Of Afghanistan etc."

That way, if your family try to over-ride your final wishes as to your organs, they get nothing.
 
Ok, I've been watching this on the news for the last couple of days and I have a few things about it I want to put to you people.

Firstly: The ethics issue.

I dont have any problem with donating my facial tissue (skin, nerves, muscle) etc, because, IMHO, thats all it is. The face is NOT what makes me who I am. Its my brain that does that. Its my character thats make me who I am. Not my face. The face to me is just skin and muscle and nerve endings.

I could look like the Hunchback of Notre Dame or Ben Affleck, and be the same person with the same character.

The Moral issue:

This I do have a problem with. I have a problem with people wanting a new face because its trendy, or they are vain. If they want to alter their face, fine, have the reconstructive surgery but to their own faces. I believe this kind of transplantation should only be available to those born with severe facial disfigurement, burns or accident victims and such like.

Not to the rich and famous who want to look like Diana Ross or whoever. MJ will be lining up, with his millions in his pocket.
But I can see that happening. Once one unscrupulous surgeon does the job, they will all jump on the bandwagon.

I do believe this is a ground-breaking medical discovery, much along the lines of skin grafts, prothesetic limbs etc, but I can see it in ten years time. Polish clinics doing shonky jobs for $30 000 USD, just like they do now for breast augmentation.

MJ = Michael Jackson
Disclaimer: Not knocking the Polish people in any way, shape or form. I saw a doco recently on the Underground Cosmetic Surgrey Industry there, and I used them as an example only.
 
I'm signed up to be an organ donor, too, but I don't look at my face as being an "organ."

Think about the horror to your family to lose you, but then run into "you" still alive but with a different brain/body. Maybe the new you wouldn't look like the old you?
 
Agent 99... isn't that what facial expressions are for? ;0)

I think it's absolutely a good idea, and I would donate pieces of my face if it's needed. I think they should never attempt it for cosmetic reasons though. That just seems iffy, using a dead persons face for your own vanity.. ick.

Also, I know it's extreme, but I envision the generous people of the world dying and being farmed as replacements for the rich and powerful. Just doesn't sit right in my stomach.
 
posted by DéjàNu:

Would you donate your face?

The only way, and reason, I'd donate my face is for some of the lovely ladies from Lit to use as a saddle. Any one want preview ride?
WhoooWaaa!

Comshaw
 
Wiggles, I guess that mentioning the fact that my post was merely Tongue-in-cheek probably wouldn't give me a leg up in this case. ;)

I agree that it would be freaky to see a person walking around with a friend or loved one's visage. But, even worse, with organ rejection so commonplace in transplant surgeries, I would really hate to take it on the chin!
 
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