Would this story be allowed?

[WCSGarland]

Exhibitionist displays are non-con, if you expose your junk to people who don't want to see it, that is considered assault but not rape. Voyeurism is non-con, the person being watched in the nude does not give their consent to be watched and yet it is not rape. If a person is blackmailed into walking around in public without any clothes on, or if they are stripped in public but not involved in any form of sex, that is non-con, but not rape.

 

[FrancesScott]

Exhibitionist displays are non-con, if you expose your junk to people who don't want to see it, that is considered assault but not rape. Voyeurism is non-con, the person being watched in the nude does not give their consent to be watched and yet it is not rape. If a person is blackmailed into walking around in public without any clothes on, or if they are stripped in public but not involved in any form of sex, that is non-con, but not rape.

*sigh*

What non-consensual sexual intercouse is not rape?

 

[WCSGarland]

An unrelated man and woman are in a bank, taken hostage by robbers who for some reason decide it would be fun to make the two of them have sex. If they don't, the thugs may kill them or cause grievous bodily harm. The two have sex because they don't like the other options. Is that rape?

 

[Maximsdarling]

An unrelated man and woman are in a bank, taken hostage by robbers who for some reason decide it would be fun to make the two of them have sex. If they don't, the thugs may kill them or cause grievous bodily harm. The two have sex because they don't like the other options. Is that rape?

if you dont understand what consent is or you dont care about consent you should just admit that.

 

[FrancesScott]

An unrelated man and woman are in a bank, taken hostage by robbers who for some reason decide it would be fun to make the two of them have sex. If they don't, the thugs may kill them or cause grievous bodily harm. The two have sex because they don't like the other options. Is that rape?

Yes, but the rapists are the bank robbers not the male hostage. And that’s probably the most contrived example I have ever seen.

I can go one better. A man creates a (non-sentient) robot with a penis and directs it to have sex with unwilling women. The man is the rapist, not the robot.

 

[Naughty_Natalie]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

I would think so. One of my stories is very similar to that.

 

[WCSGarland]

Yes, but the rapists are the bank robbers not the male hostage. And that’s probably the most contrived example I have ever seen.

I can go one better. A man creates a (non-sentient) robot with a penis and directs it to have sex with unwilling women. The man is the rapist, not the robot.

And that right there makes me think you don't really want to understand, you just want to pronounce judgment against anybody who would write an nc story.

 

[Kasumi_Lee]

The story I'm writing would be a non-consent story. The content guidelines say that non-consent stories where the person receives no enjoyment from it aren't allowed. In my story, the character would end up orgasming, but against her own will. Her body would betray her. Would that be ok? Because she did enjoy it, even if she didn't want to.

I have plenty of stories in which the victim orgasms against her will. To the extent that orgasms are enjoyable, even when forced on someone, it should be fine.

 

[FrancesScott]

And that right there makes me think you don't really want to understand, you just want to pronounce judgment against anybody who would write an nc story.

You’ll need to explain the basis of that comment as I fail to see the logic behind it.

You seem to say “judgement” a lot. Are you worried about such an outcome?

You continue to be a weird combination of aggressive and defensive. I’m sure that there is some underlying reason, but only you will know what this is.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

Exhibitionist displays are non-con, if you expose your junk to people who don't want to see it, that is considered assault but not rape. Voyeurism is non-con, the person being watched in the nude does not give their consent to be watched and yet it is not rape. If a person is blackmailed into walking around in public without any clothes on, or if they are stripped in public but not involved in any form of sex, that is non-con, but not rape.

Exposing your body to someone, or peeking at two people who are nude or having sex, is a violation of privacy, not a non-con scenario. There is no sexual intercourse between the exhibitionist/voyeur and other person(s), voluntary or involuntary. You are mixing apples and oranges.

The term non-con is just an euphemism for rape, nothing else. As with many other things that are morally dubious, the euphemism 'non-con' is there to create the impression that it's a whole different thing, not rape. A sort of moral disengagement, as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Bandura calls it





Sure, such stories are allowed on Lit with the caveat of victim feeling some pleasure, so I don't support all the badgering of rape story authors on the forum. They are simply writing what they are allowed to write. People should take their outrage to Laurel.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

^^^ But what if someone is looking over your shoulder while you read a story like that?

 

[WCSGarland]

I find it rather ridiculous the lengths some people will go to to conflate non-consent with non-consensual sex. The category label is Reluctance/NonConsent, not Reluctance/Rape or Reluctance/NonConsensual Sex.

 

[FrancesScott]

I find it rather ridiculous the lengths some people will go to to conflate non-consent with non-consensual sex. The category label is Reluctance/NonConsent, not Reluctance/Rape or Reluctance/NonConsensual Sex.

I find it rather ridiculous how you constantly Gish gallop any issue and try to reframe any question.

I guess how you have approached not answering polite questions is a very eloquent answer in and of itself.

Thank you for making the logical basis of your position so crystal clear. I really do appreciate your efforts.

 

[WCSGarland]

Nobody is obligated to answer your questions just because you have asked them.

 

[FrancesScott]

Nobody is obligated to answer your questions just because you have asked them.

Great, so you have nothing to contribute. That’s totally fine by me. I look forward to not hearing from you.

 

[WCSGarland]

Great, so you have nothing to contribute. That’s totally fine by me. I look forward to not hearing from you.

Says the person who sidetracked the OP's question to begin with.

 

[FrancesScott]

Says the person who sidetracked the OP's question to begin with.

You still here?

 

[Britva415]

That doesn’t answer the question as to why? I’m really interested in the psychology of why.

What's your favorite color?

Why? What is the psychology of that?

You're looking for an answer which doesn't have to be explained. Some people can explain their taste, and some can't, and even the ones who can still can't really say "why," all they can do is link it to other preferences you could again ask "why" about.

 

[FrancesScott]

What's your favorite color?

Why? What is the psychology of that?

You're looking for an answer which doesn't have to be explained. Some people can explain their taste, and some can't, and even the ones who can still can't really say "why," all they can do is link it to other preferences you could again ask "why" about.

I used a example of someone asking me why I like writing lesbian scenes.

It’s because I’ve had lesbian relationships and lesbian hookups. I found both fulfilling sexually and emotionally. It’s nice to relive them vicariously. And - as I don’t have such relationships now - there is a nostalgic element to it as well. A sort of what if? And I continue to find other women attractive. I appreciate women esthetically more than men, though men have other compensating factors. At the end of the day it’s about the person not their genitalia.

I really don’t think this requires superhuman self-awareness on my part.

Which makes me question why at least some people who write and read non-con are so defensive about explaining why. And not one has claimed what you have. They have instead leaped straight to feeling like they are being judged.

I wonder why that is. Is it projection? I suppose that’s feasible. But only they would know.

I wasn’t asking a trick question. I wasn’t seeking amunition. I was seeking to understand something that is strange to me.

 

[AwkwardlySet]

I used a example of someone asking me why I like writing lesbian scenes.

It’s because I’ve had lesbian relationships and lesbian hookups. I found both fulfilling sexually and emotionally. It’s nice to relive them vicariously. And - as I don’t have such relationships now - there is a nostalgic element to it as well. A sort of what if? And I continue to find other women attractive. I appreciate women esthetically more than men, though men have other compensating factors. At the end of the day it’s about the person not their genitalia.

I really don’t think this requires superhuman self-awareness on my part.

Which makes me question why at least some people who write and read non-con are so defensive about explaining why. And not one has claimed what you have. They have instead leaped straight to feeling like they are being judged.

I wonder why that is. Is it projection? I suppose that’s feasible. But only they would know.

I wasn’t asking a trick question. I wasn’t seeking amunition. I was seeking to understand something that is strange to me.

@Britva415 has a point. While you may find it easy to explain your bisexual orientation - you are attracted to both sexes, albeit in a different way, some more specific kinks aren't easily explained.
Your bondage and pain kink, for example, could maybe be explained by the need for (losing) control and power exchange, but at the end of the day, the same question remains. Why does bondage and pain, or why does control and power exchange, get you off? Regardless of how deep you go in your self-analysis, sooner or later, you will reach a level that can't be explained. It simply is.

More than that, regardless of the anonymity of the internet, many people aren't as forward as you are when it comes to sharing the whys and hows of their kinks and desires.

 

[FrancesScott]

More than that, regardless of the anonymity of the internet, many people aren't as forward as you are when it comes to sharing the whys and hows of their kinks and desires.

This place has many why do…? why did you…? how do you…? what do you think about…? threads. For example:

https://forum.literotica.com/thread...rotica-and-what-do-you-get-out-of-it.1636305/

As a wise person said, no one is obligated to answer, but plenty do. It seems that non-con is somehow different. I don’t see why asking questions about it should be off limits.

In another sensitive area, @SimonDoom has written about why he enjoys penning incest. Others have written about why they like to read / write BDSM. People are open in most areas - not everyone, but at least some people are willing to talk.

And I understand my own kinks pretty well. Maybe I’m different in that respect. But surely at least some other people have basic self-awareness, no?

 

[WCSGarland]

As a wise person said, no one is obligated to answer, but plenty do. It seems that non-con is somehow different. I don’t see why asking questions about it should be off limits.

As I said, start your own thread asking why instead of sidetracking somebody else's thread.

 

[AwkwardMD]

Aaaaand drink

 

[FrancesScott]

As I said, start your own thread asking why instead of sidetracking somebody else's thread.

You didn’t start the thread, so I don’t know what standing you think you have. I’d suggest that this entertaining convo is all about you wanting to change the subject. But I’m sure you’ll find some Byzantine reason why it’s about the impact of tarrifs on the economy instead.

 

[WCSGarland]

And I think you are afraid to start your own thread asking why people like to write non-con. Prove me wrong.