Would THIS plot point be allowed?

[BlinkenLights93]

I have an idea for a story that involves death, teetering on the erotic line, not crossing it but I guess that part is up to the moderator's interpretation.

My story idea is a mind control/reluctance Assassin story. The Assassin will capture his target but needs information out of her before he completes the mission. He gives her a lethal serum that will eventually kill her but makes her agreeable and obey his every command in the meantime. He will get the information he needs, make her fuck him and then he leaves. I can either leave the story with her dying after the assassin leaves or imply her death later.

Is death allowed in this context on Literotica?

 

[nice90sguy]

I've wondered the same thing. I posted a story a while back that had a necrophilia scene in it but I suspect it wasn't noticed by the moderator.

 

[PastMaster]

It's certainly skating close to the line. The only way to find out is to post and see. I personally think it might get rejected as snuff - since the serum that makes her agreeable is also that which will kill her, but the only one who knows for sure is Laurel. Be prepared though that it might get through, only to be reported and pulled at a later date.

 

[KeithD]

I've got quite a few espionage and crime ones with similar plotlines. Haven't had trouble having them published. Perhaps a difference is that all of my characters in a story are usually comfortable with the sex angle.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

My personal call would be that it's close enough to snuff that it will get rejected. In any case, the decision is not mine, but Laurel's. I would suggest you PM her before you spend a lot of effort.

 

[MajorRewrite]

Other than the rape and snuff themes, is she a high schooler of unspecified age? Might as well go for the trifecta.

 

[lovecraft68]

Add the detail she cheated on her husband and it will not only fly right through in Loving wives but receive high marks from low people.

 

[lovecraft68]

Other than the rape and snuff themes, is she a high schooler of unspecified age? Might as well go for the trifecta.

There's a story that's high on the all time fav list which features rape and torture and the author even says in the disclaimer that its full blown non con(but...lit doesn't allow that) so if I were the OP I'd just give it a go.

 

[BlinkenLights93]

Judging by the replies I think the death aspect is too close to the line. I think I'll change it to erase her memories but makes her highly agreeable and obey his every command first. I'd hate to release a story just to have it get taken down later because someone reported it. I could always upload the original story as intended, uncensored on another site.

I have a 100% approval rate and I'd like to keep it that way. Is the mind control serum alone going to be alright without the death or is that still too close to the line to rape?

 

[alohadave]

Is the mind control serum alone going to be alright

Lots of those stories here, it'll be fine.

 

[Voboy]

I have a 100% approval rate and I'd like to keep it that way. Is the mind control serum alone going to be alright without the death or is that still too close to the line to rape?

Just make sure she enjoys her orgasm, and magically? That'll make everything kosher for Lit.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I've wondered the same thing. I posted a story a while back that had a necrophilia scene in it but I suspect it wasn't noticed by the moderator.

It's pretty striking that you got a scene about necrophilia through (or was the reference very brief?). Maybe the bots hadn't been calibrated properly, assuming (as has been rumored here) that they actually use bots.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Judging by the replies I think the death aspect is too close to the line. I think I'll change it to erase her memories but makes her highly agreeable and obey his every command first. I'd hate to release a story just to have it get taken down later because someone reported it. I could always upload the original story as intended, uncensored on another site.

I have a 100% approval rate and I'd like to keep it that way. Is the mind control serum alone going to be alright without the death or is that still too close to the line to rape?

Don't let the naysayers discourage you.

The context of the scene within the entire story will influence its acceptability. I have several scenes in my stories, that taken only as a single scene would never pass, but they all sailed through without rejection as part of the overall work. (I won't provide a link to it, but there is even a rather graphic gang rape and torture scene that leads to a female character's death in one story)

 

[lovecraft68]

Why are 90+ percent of these types of stories aimed at women as the victim?

Wait, never mind, I forgot where I was for a second.

 

[PastMaster]

Don't let the naysayers discourage you.

The context of the scene within the entire story will influence its acceptability. I have several scenes in my stories, that taken only as a single scene would never pass, but they all sailed through without rejection as part of the overall work. (I won't provide a link to it, but there is even a rather graphic gang rape and torture scene that leads to a female character's death in one story)

I enjoyed the series, but there were 3 blatant and eggregious breaches of lit posting rules in it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Don't let the naysayers discourage you.

The context of the scene within the entire story will influence its acceptability. I have several scenes in my stories, that taken only as a single scene would never pass, but they all sailed through without rejection as part of the overall work. (I won't provide a link to it, but there is even a rather graphic gang rape and torture scene that leads to a female character's death in one story)

I didn't know its okay to violate rules as long as there's 'context'
That's good to know...
Or, not really because I'm willing to bet its not about context but half ass screening.

 

[lovecraft68]

Know what I love? I love people who condemn incest stories, but will write/read things like BB's story and think its great.
Maybe if the I/T section was filled with rape and snuff and torture and glorified sex trafficking we wouldn't have such a bad reputation, but know, we just post fun fantasies like the dummies we are.

 

[lovecraft68]

It's pretty striking that you got a scene about necrophilia through (or was the reference very brief?). Maybe the bots hadn't been calibrated properly, assuming (as has been rumored here) that they actually use bots.

I think the assumption they use bots is due to the mystifying rejections for under age that come from "My fifteen year old car" type lines, and the fact there are so many actual rule breaking stories here, because its all in the wording, and as BB mentioned 'context' as in if you can avoid certain buzzwords you can allow your torture porn to fly right through

 

[gunhilltrain]

I think if I reposted the story now, I might not get away with it. Or maybe I would, I used the "it was all a dream" ploy. This was a while back -- I just re-read that story, which I found on asstr. Man I was a sicko in them days, but yes, the story was posted no problem.



No wonder I never got laid.

This lady makes Lorena Bobbitt look almost reasonable. The whole Bobbitt case has elements of very dark comedy that are too much to describe here. The Wikipedia article has the relevant incidents. of which there are many that went on for years.

Just wondering: if the disembodied member was able to ejaculate, wouldn't she have to remove the testicles too, everything in one piece? On second thought, never mind.

 

[RelentlessOnanism]

I have an idea for a story that involves death, teetering on the erotic line, not crossing it but I guess that part is up to the moderator's interpretation.

My story idea is a mind control/reluctance Assassin story. The Assassin will capture his target but needs information out of her before he completes the mission. He gives her a lethal serum that will eventually kill her but makes her agreeable and obey his every command in the meantime. He will get the information he needs, make her fuck him and then he leaves. I can either leave the story with her dying after the assassin leaves or imply her death later.

Is death allowed in this context on Literotica?

You could just find an antidote and cure her?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I enjoyed the series, but there were 3 blatant and eggregious breaches of lit posting rules in it.

I don't categorically dispute that.

My point is that the "rules" here are defined and enforced by someone who has demonstrated a propensity to view breaches of said rules within the context of the story as a whole. That makes the rules appear unfair to those who witness breaches in some stories only to see similar scenes of theirs rejected.

It is reasonable to suggest that some breaches have simply "slipped through the cracks", and with the number of submissions being filtered here each day, there is definitely the likelihood of that happening.

One would also need to look at how far back some of the stories with egregious breaches have existed here. As far as I know, the rule against underage sex has been enforced here since the site launched, yet here is a link to a story published in 2002 that would appear to violate that rule. This is just one of the hundreds, if not thousands of stories here that appear to violate one rule or another. Are these evidence of screening mistakes or of writers producing material that was deemed worthy of letting the rules slide?

I do not encourage anyone to deliberately attempt to skirt the rules here. I do encourage every writer to "give it a shot". Write what you want and do your best to ensure that every scene presents recognizable value to the story as a whole, and then let the only person with a vote in this have a chance to review your work. What others think or believe in these threads can be a guide, but they don't make the decisions.

 

[PastMaster]

My point is that the "rules" here are defined and enforced by someone who has demonstrated a propensity to view breaches of said rules within the context of the story as a whole. That makes the rules appear unfair to those who witness breaches in some stories only to see similar scenes of theirs rejected.

Appear unfair?

I would say that there is nothing about appearance in it. It is blatantly and ridiculously iniquitous.
Is it any wonder that new authors get upset about the application of the rules when they see stories rejected for perceived breaches of the rules when there are stories here that are so far beyond the rules its ridiculous.
Its also easy to say - well these were posted in 1843 when the rules were... but even when the breaches were reported, nothing was done.
Once again iniquitous. I had a perceived rule breach reported on one of my stories - by a known total whackjob of a reader, and the story was pulled before I even got to read the feedback.
Blatant rule breaches are reported in good faith and fuck all gets done about it.
The rules are supposedly absolute - so make them absolute for everyone.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

Appear unfair?

I would say that there is nothing about appearance in it. It is blatantly and ridiculously iniquitous.
Is it any wonder that new authors get upset about the application of the rules when they see stories rejected for perceived breaches of the rules when there are stories here that are so far beyond the rules its ridiculous.
Its also easy to say - well these were posted in 1843 when the rules were... but even when the breaches were reported, nothing was done.
Once again iniquitous. I had a perceived rule breach reported on one of my stories - by a known total whackjob of a reader, and the story was pulled before I even got to read the feedback.
Blatant rule breaches are reported in good faith and fuck all gets done about it.
The rules are supposedly absolute - so make them absolute for everyone.

I understand, but as several contributors have tried to get across in this and similar threads on the subject, "how" you say something often carries more weight in the acceptance or rejection of it than "what" you say.

A simple example would be an author submitting a story with "They were an impatient teenage couple who gave themselves to each other the night of their senior prom." It would likely be rejected. However, rephrasing it to, "They were impatient young adults at the tender age of eighteen who gave themselves to each other the night of their senior prom," would probably be acceptable.

I can't speak for Laurel, but I imagine that she applies some judgment to her decisions similar to those frequently employed for pornography, which often includes "the intent to incite sexual arousal".

This is what I meant by the "context". Including content in a story that touches on any restricted subjects, yet done in a manner that clearly isn't intended for sexual arousal. Would Laurel perceive the content as being sexually arousing to the average reader, and if not, would she let it go through?

 

[PastMaster]

I understand, but as several contributors have tried to get across in this and similar threads on the subject, "how" you say something often carries more weight in the acceptance or rejection of it than "what" you say.

A simple example would be an author submitting a story with "They were an impatient teenage couple who gave themselves to each other the night of their senior prom." It would likely be rejected. However, rephrasing it to, "They were impatient young adults at the tender age of eighteen who gave themselves to each other the night of their senior prom," would probably be acceptable.

I can't speak for Laurel, but I imagine that she applies some judgment to her decisions similar to those frequently employed for pornography, which often includes "the intent to incite sexual arousal".

This is what I meant by the "context". Including content in a story that touches on any restricted subjects, yet done in a manner that clearly isn't intended for sexual arousal. Would Laurel perceive the content as being sexually arousing to the average reader, and if not, would she let it go through?

then the entirety of the rulebook goes out the window.

How the fuck are we supposed to know what Lauel finds arousing. For all we know she might have a wednesday fetish - and anything that happens on wednesday gets her off. but if it happens on thursday - not a shiver.

We have rules - No underage - NO torture - NO snuff. not No underage if it makes Laurel wet. YOu can have torture if Laurel can't get off to it. and snuff only gets banned if Laurel cums reading it? what the actual fuck?

 

[BobbyBrandt]

then the entirety of the rulebook goes out the window.

How the fuck are we supposed to know what Lauel finds arousing. For all we know she might have a wednesday fetish - and anything that happens on wednesday gets her off. but if it happens on thursday - not a shiver.

We have rules - No underage - NO torture - NO snuff. not No underage if it makes Laurel wet. YOu can have torture if Laurel can't get off to it. and snuff only gets banned if Laurel cums reading it? what the actual fuck?

This is not a perfect world in case you haven’t noticed. Once you get used to this fact you can deal with life how it really is.

Laws (rules) in almost every aspect of society are commonly enforced, prosecuted, and sentenced differently for a multitude of reasons. You don't know when you get pulled over for a traffic violation whether the officer will cite you or simply give you a warning. What factors influence his or her discretion today, and will those still apply tomorrow for somebody else?