Would this change your mind

[Linedrive]

It's uncollaborated...but if you have taken an anti-war stance and find out the Iraq has been harboring Al Qaeda members, would it change your viewpoint on this war...?


British intelligence officials said they now had evidence of a direct link between the Iraqis and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network.

British intelligence officers have learned that up to a dozen al-Qaeda volunteers were fighting alongside the pro-Baghdad guerrilla forces in As Zubaya, a town outside Basra.

After a British raid on the Baath Party headquarters in As Zubaya Wednesday to capture paramilitary leaders, Arabic-speaking intelligence officers interrogated the captured defenders. They were told that volunteers from al-Qaeda were taking part in the town's defense and helping to organize the pro-Baghdad resistance.

Transcripts of the interrogations have been shared with U.S. military intelligence.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/28/90101.shtml

 

[brokenbrainwave]

I trust the British Govenrment as much as I trust the Iraqi Government as much as I trust the American Government...see a trend here?

 

[plasticman33]

Interesting read, I don't doubt it for one minute. But then I was never anti-war to begin with!

 

[Linedrive]

I trust the British Govenrment as much as I trust the Iraqi Government as much as I trust the American Government...see a trend here?

bbw...Your ducking the question. I'm not putting to much weight into it either, but suppose it were true...would it change your stance if you knew Iraq was intentionally harboring Al Qaeda?

 

[brokenbrainwave]

bbw...Your ducking the question. I'm not putting to much weight into it either, but suppose it were true...would it change your stance if you knew Iraq was intentionally harboring Al Qaeda?

fair enough sir. Honestly I have not put any thought into this question, so I respectively request time to ponder with one disclaimer: Do we have the right as a nation to bring military action against any country that has pockets of anti american groups?

I suppose that is what is stopping me from whole heartedly saying yes, that would alter my opinion.

 

[Linedrive]

I don't think so with the way your question was phrased. We can't go invade every country that has anti-American groups. It sounds like the line in the sand for you would rest in whether or not the government knew of their activities (aka harbored them) or not...which seems reasonable.

 

[SlowHand89]

It would actually. My problem with this war is can be summed up with 'the end doesn't justify the means.' Getting UN approval would've changed many people's stance.

Now if it turns out that there are Al-Qaeda members fighting in this war or rather, if it turns out that Al-Qaeda is taking an active role in this war, then my stance would change indeed. If it's just a bunch of members going it alone, then no.

Why does it change me? I guess it helps blur the line from Attack on Iraq to continuing the year long war against Al-Qaeda, which everyone is behind and supporting.

If this kind of intelligence was brought to light before the war, if it was a known fact that the war would be against Hussein and Al-Qaeda then there would be far fewer protestors. At least that's how I feel.

 

[Purple Haze]

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Sorry, I'll respond to your hypothetical scenario later on, I'm on a mission to find a book on the elder Bush's proper techniques of weeding a garden, but there aren't any...

 

[Prince Romeo]

bbw...Your ducking the question. I'm not putting to much weight into it either, but suppose it were true...would it change your stance if you knew Iraq was intentionally harboring Al Qaeda?

Intentionaly is the key word here. These same people were in the US and Canada were they not? And I'm sure some Americans and Canadians knew this.

 

[bluespoke]

Would this change your mind



It might help if it were reported in the British media but they are singularly silent on this issue.

 

[]ooooo(chained)]

Nothing would...
Nothing will.

Move on.

The fact that they all trained at Salman Pak, the harboring of Abu Nidal, none of it matters because the selected President is a bigger terrorist than Saddam. He is truly a danger to the world. He bears the mark of the beast and the world is coming to an end, and all us war-monger types are just too fawking dumb to see it. Armegaddon awaits and the United States must surrender immediately to save the rest of the world from the wrath of the Arab/Muslim world, not to mention the Brutal Revenge France has planned to answer our arrogance!

 

[Purple Haze]

Can I have your "God Bless Ollie North" t-shirt?

 

[Veryknowing]

If a link was actually PROVEN and recognized as such by independent sources, then I'd believe it. But I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference in some other ways, as Al Queda seems to have been trumped-up to the proportions of a "James Bond" movie style super-terrorist organization.

I never really believed the US Govt assertions that Al Queda was behind the WTC/Pentagon attacks. I think they just picked them as a handy target to hang the blame on....there are way too many discrepancies in the so called evidence.

Besides which, Osama bin Laden didn't actually admit he was involved either, he'd only said he was happy about it. I think the rest of what he said was simple propaganda and playing to his Islamic audience.

I'm not saying that it's bad to attack Al Queda though....terrorist groups are often much like organized clubs for homicidal mass-murderers. Al Queda was and is nasty, but so are lots of other similar groups. At least now most national governments are actively cooperating in smashing such organizations.

As to the real perpetrators behind the WTC/Pentagon attacks, I haven't got the foggiest idea, but I suspect a high-level of government involvement by a nation with a lot of money and resources. I doubt that it was a CIA plot as some conspiracy types claim. The whole operation was done with military precision, critical timing, and would've had to have a lot of support. How many of the agents of that organization are still around in the USA waiting for another target to hit?

 

[crysede]

I don't think so with the way your question was phrased. We can't go invade every country that has anti-American groups. It sounds like the line in the sand for you would rest in whether or not the government knew of their activities (aka harbored them) or not...which seems reasonable.

Well put - that would certainly be an important issue for me. I would feel much more comfortable accepting the necessity of this war, if the government of Iraq had been shown to have actual links to terrorism. It would have to be more than mere tacit acceptance of terrorists in their ranks, however (god knows how many nations are and/or have been guilty of that).

Hasn't Bin Laden attempted to kill Saddam on several occasions though? If Saddam is found to have directly supported terrorist groups, I doubt al Q would be one of them - not much love lost between those two.

 

[Linedrive]

Purple Haze: ur a hater

(c) Yayati 2003

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

I trust the British Govenrment as much as I trust the Iraqi Government as much as I trust the American Government...see a trend here?

I guess you don't trust anyone or anything but your own good sense. Do you have good sense?

 

[Linedrive]

If Saddam is found to have directly supported terrorist groups, I doubt al Q would be one of them - not much love lost between those two.

I actually consider the payments to Palestinian suicide bombers as supporting terrorism Cryse, as well as funding Hussein provides for Hamas and Al-Aqs Martyr brigade. You don't think the desire to deal a severe blow to America would overweigh their ideological differences...?

 

[Purple Haze]

 

[]ooooo(chained)]

Can I have your "God Bless Ollie North" t-shirt?

I'll trade you for your commemorative Rosalyn Carter "I'm with Stupid" teddy-tee...

 

[just pet]

Considering the popularity of the U.S. and George Bush in the part of the world, is it any surprise that a lot of people from a lot of places are anxious to help Iraq?

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=6633&TagID=2

If the U.S. were threatened with direct attack, wouldn't our allies (all 2 of them, these days) come to fight with us?

 

[woodgie2]

Being Politically Agnostic I tend to avoid more than a mere passing glance at threads like this.

However this link just defies belief! As the French have no word for entrepreneur, I can find no word to describe it!

*lol*

 

[Purple Haze]

It's a deal, I'll even throw in my metric conversion kit...

 

[]ooooo(chained)]

LOL - oh look there goes Elvis...

 

[crysede]

I actually consider the payments to Palestinian suicide bombers as supporting terrorism Cryse, as well as funding Hussein provides for Hamas and Al-Aqs Martyr brigade. You don't think the desire to deal a severe blow to America would overweigh their ideological differences...?

Give me links to the evidence that Saddam has actually been funding the suicide bombing of Israeli civilians, and I'll let you know if I'm persuaded. From what I heard he was just giving money to the families after the fact (if this sort of indirect support makes him guilty of supporting terrorism, then the US would be equally guilty for their indirect support of Saddam's own terrorism).

No, I honestly don't see them shaking hands and making up. Saddam is incredibly vindictive and paranoid, and Bin Laden is a fundamentalist absolutist (not to mention insane). I don't see rational self-interest bringing those two together somehow

 

[Purple Haze]

However this link just defies belief!

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