Worries over crime haunt Democrats ahead of the midterm elections

[JohnEngelman]

The Washington Post, June 8, 2022

HENDERSON, Nev. — Sitting before a dozen police officers last week at a public safety forum, Rep. Susie Lee (D-Nev.) wanted to make clear that she will defend law enforcement in Congress.

“I always open these up and say I do not want to defund the police, and in fact have voted multiple times to increase funding to police departments,” Lee, who is on a list of House Democrats seen as vulnerable in November, told a group that included representatives from the two local law enforcement associations, which recently endorsed her reelection campaign.

Lee’s pledge of support for law enforcement is being replicated across the country as Democratic lawmakers up and down the ballot scramble to assure voters that they’re not soft on crime. It’s a sea change from two years ago when, amid the height of racial justice protests, some leaders on the left began to rethink their approach to criminal justice.

Fears that Democrats are losing ground on crime were compounded by Tuesday primary results, which included the recall of San Francisco district attorney Chesa Boudin, whom voters saw as overly lenient toward criminals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...rweb&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=extension

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Crime is the Democrats weakest issue. The root cause of crime is the evil in the hearts of criminals. Social reform and social welfare spending have never reduced the crime rate. The only thing that works is punishment, lots and lots of punishment. The voters know that. The leaders of the Democrat Party need to learn it.

 

[ll74]

The root cause of crime is the evil in the hearts of criminals.

Dumbest take of the year.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Dumbest take of the year.

One of the few successful social experiments in the United States has been the increase in the prison population.

From 1960 to 1970 the prison population declined from 212,953 to 196,429

The civil rights legislation was passed. Poverty declined because of a broadly based economic expansion, and War on Poverty Programs.

During this time the crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants increased from 1,887.2 to 3,984.5

From 1980 to 2016 the prison population increased from 315,974 to 1,380,427

Poverty increased because the economy became more competitive, and because of cuts in welfare.

During this time the crime rate per 100,000 declined from 5,950,0 to 2,489.3.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/US-prison-pop-1925-2019-1.png

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

 

[ll74]

One of the few successful social experiments in the United States has been the increase in the prison population.

From 1960 to 1970 the prison population declined from 212,953 to 196,429

The civil rights legislation was passed. Poverty declined because of a broadly based economic expansion, and War on Poverty Programs.

During this time the crime rate per 100,000 inhabitants increased from 1,887.2 to 3,984.5

From 1980 to 2016 the prison population increased from 315,974 to 1,380,427

Poverty increased because the economy became more competitive, and because of cuts in welfare.

During this time the crime rate per 100,000 declined from 5,950,0 to 2,489.3.

https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/US-prison-pop-1925-2019-1.png

https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

Where is the graph on all the evil? ¯\(°_o)/¯

 

[JohnEngelman]

Where is the graph on all the evil? ¯\(°_o)/¯

Two genes linked with violent crime​

By Melissa Hogenboom
Science reporter, BBC News

Published28 October 2014

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

 

[ll74]

Two genes linked with violent crime​

By Melissa Hogenboom
Science reporter, BBC News

Published28 October 2014

A genetic analysis of almost 900 offenders in Finland has revealed two genes associated with violent crime.
Those with the genes were 13 times more likely to have a history of repeated violent behaviour.
The authors of the study, published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry, said at least 5-10% of all violent crime in Finland could be attributed to individuals with these genotypes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29760212

Where is the evil?

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

Only Lamont Cranston knows the evil in the hearts of men.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

It's easy to say evil in the hearts of men,
but dire consequences will oft stay that evil.
It's when consequences lack, that evil runs free.
To say it's evil in the hearts of men absolves you of guilt.

All evil needs to grow and metastasize is for good people to stand down.
[paraphrase]
__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[Chobham]

The voters are quite aware of the democrats complicity in the rising crime rate.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

Recent special election may bear that out,
but it's a long summer of forgetfulness and
living and come the fall, most people's news
cycles will be dominated with blame for
everything not Democrat; they're just
victims of the NRA too...

The REAL criminals?
Gun owners!

Common sense gun laws written by Democrats will
be portrayed as the only path to safety and security.

Mark my words. The template is set in stone.


__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[rockcasbah]

The USA could defund the police and deputize NRA Members.

Solve 2 big problems!

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

We already experimented with defunding the police
and the Democrats immediately refunded them
because their constituents did not enjoy
the results of what they demanded.

Careful what you wish!
__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[rockcasbah]

Where I live there is virtually no crime; just a few miles away there’s lots of shit.

Houses where i live are more expensive and the transit system is the thinnest in the municipality.

Fewer buses, more expensive housing is the easiest way to control crime.

 

[Sh1ne0n67]

There is little crime here too.

Then again, the Democrats here only offer token opposition to the way things are run.
People are so pleased over the way things are run/handled that you have to
visit the campus of the local college to find people who vote Democrat.

I still vote Libertarian though.
I think we can match the Democrats vote for vote.


__________________________________________
Democrat born. Democrat bred. Libertarian led (by Democrats).

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Crime is only one of many things haunting Democrats before the midterms, and their nightmare will get even scarier heading when the 2024 cycle begins the day after this fall’s election is over.

That’s when they’ll finally have to confront the elephant in the room. “What are we gonna to about sleepy Joe?” The New York Times this morning reports on how fears are rising within the party and conversations about the feeble old man are already happening behind the scenes.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Where is the evil?

In the gene alleles.

 

[ll74]

In the gene alleles.

Genes are evil? That's fun. How do you know you don't have any?

 

[JohnEngelman]

Genes are evil? That's fun. How do you know you don't have any?

That is a good question. Keep in mind that the science of genetic criminology is in its infancy, and that those of your persuasion want to strangle the infant in its crib, because they fear the political implications of the discovery that crime gene alleles exist. So, all that what I am about to say is speculation.

If crime genes alleles exist, it does not follow that everyone with the alleles is a criminal. It would follow that those with the crime gene alleles are deterred by the fear of punishment, as I am not.

Once a woman asked me somewhat plaintively, "How did your parents keep you from staying out late at night? How did they keep you from getting into trouble?"

I had to tell her that my parents did not need to keep me from doing those things because I did not want to. The thought of committing a perfect crime for a large sum of money and getting away with it leaves me cold. I have fantasies, but they are of legal achievements.

Also, I suspect that those with crime alleles who obey the law enjoy watching television programs and movies that romanticize criminals, like "The Sopranos," and "The God Father." Again, I have no interest in those. I like fictional portrayals of protagonists who embody positive moral values.

 

[ll74]

That is a good question. Keep in mind that the science of genetic criminology is in its infancy, and that those of your persuasion want to strangle the infant in its crib, because they fear the political implications of the discovery that crime gene alleles exist. So, all that what I am about to say is speculation.

If crime genes alleles exist, it does not follow that everyone with the alleles is a criminal. It would follow that those with the crime gene alleles are deterred by the fear of punishment, as I am not.

Once a woman asked me somewhat plaintively, "How did your parents keep you from staying out late at night? How did they keep you from getting into trouble?"

I had to tell her that my parents did not need to keep me from doing those things because I did not want to. The thought of committing a perfect crime for a large sum of money and getting away with it leaves me cold. I have fantasies, but they are of legal achievements.

Also, I suspect that those with crime alleles who obey the law enjoy watching television programs and movies that romanticize criminals, like "The Sopranos," and "The God Father." Again, I have no interest in those. I like fictional portrayals of protagonists who embody positive moral values.

This is why your statement is dumb. Evil is not synonymous with criminal. As far as I've ever heard the term "evil", it has always had religious connotation and no one has ever defined the word in any way that holds water. It usually just ends up being described as a person who ignores social norms and leans towards overly heinous acts.

As you lean heavily (and falsely) on genetics for most of your arguments, your problem here is that you told me that there is an evil gene and then proceeded to talk of criminal genes. Pick one.

I do believe that there is a genetic trait which may make someone more independent or rebellious, though that does not, in itself, define criminality, since crimes are defined by man. To me, that truly indicates that laws have been created to discourage rebellious acts which counter societal norms and that would favor those with less rebellious nature.

 

[JohnEngelman]

This is why your statement is dumb. Evil is not synonymous with criminal. As far as I've ever heard the term "evil", it has always had religious connotation and no one has ever defined the word in any way that holds water. It usually just ends up being described as a person who ignores social norms and leans towards overly heinous acts.

As you lean heavily (and falsely) on genetics for most of your arguments, your problem here is that you told me that there is an evil gene and then proceeded to talk of criminal genes. Pick one.

I do believe that there is a genetic trait which may make someone more independent or rebellious, though that does not, in itself, define criminality, since crimes are defined by man. To me, that truly indicates that laws have been created to discourage rebellious acts which counter societal norms and that would favor those with less rebellious nature.

A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, by Nicholas Wade

Such a link has been asserted by a research team led by Michael Vaughn of Saint Louis University. He and his colleagues looked at the MAO-A promoters in African Americans. The subjects were the same 2,524 American youths in the study by Shih mentioned above. Of the African American men in the sample, 5% carried two MAO-A promoters, the condition that Shih had found to be associated with higher levels of delinquency. Members of the two-promoter group were significantly more likely to have been arrested and imprisoned than African Americans who carried three or four promoters. The same comparison could not be made in white, or Caucasian, males, the researchers report, because only 0.1% carry the two-promoter allele. page 56.

 

[ll74]

A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History, by Nicholas Wade

Such a link has been asserted by a research team led by Michael Vaughn of Saint Louis University. He and his colleagues looked at the MAO-A promoters in African Americans. The subjects were the same 2,524 American youths in the study by Shih mentioned above. Of the African American men in the sample, 5% carried two MAO-A promoters, the condition that Shih had found to be associated with higher levels of delinquency. Members of the two-promoter group were significantly more likely to have been arrested and imprisoned than African Americans who carried three or four promoters. The same comparison could not be made in white, or Caucasian, males, the researchers report, because only 0.1% carry the two-promoter allele. page 56.

Evil is not criminality.

And I don't give a shit about your fixation on black people

 

[JohnEngelman]

Evil is not criminality.

And I don't give a shit about your fixation on black people

I think criminals are evil. Here we have a gene allele that significantly increases the chances that a person with it will be a criminal. The gene allele is much more likely to be found among Negroes than whites. I am confident that as more research like this is performed, more gene alleles like it will be discovered. They will be found in each of the races, but a much higher percentage of Negroes will have them. That will explain a fact that I have documented several times on Literotica: blacks have a murder rate nearly eight times the white rate.

In other words, Negroes do not owe their high crime rate to systemic racism. They do not owe their high crime rate to what whites did to them one or two centuries ago. The owe their high crime rate to what has not happened to them: human evolution has not prepared most Negroes with the intellectual and social characteristics civilization needs in order to thrive. Characteristics that enabled the ancestors of Negroes to thrive in the tribal environments of sub Saharan Africa cause many of them to commit felonies in civilized countries.

 

[ll74]

I think criminals are evil. Here we have a gene allele that significantly increases the chances that a person with it will be a criminal. The gene allele is much more likely to be found among Negroes than whites. I am confident that as more research like this is performed, more gene alleles like it will be discovered. They will be found in each of the races, but a much higher percentage of Negroes will have them. That will explain a fact that I have documented several times on Literotica: blacks have a murder rate nearly eight times the white rate.

In other words, Negroes do not owe their high crime rate to systemic racism. They do not owe their high crime rate to what whites did to them one or two centuries ago. The owe their high crime rate to what has not happened to them: human evolution has not prepared most Negroes with the intellectual and social characteristics civilization needs in order to thrive. Characteristics that enabled the ancestors of Negroes to thrive in the tribal environments of sub Saharan Africa cause many of them to commit felonies in civilized countries.

Yes, you mentioned that. So when someone steals a pack of gum, they are evil. When someone smokes pot, they are evil.

Do you separate misdemeanor evil from felony evil? Or is that dependant on whether they're black?

It's seriously the most comical thing that you can think of the world without hating blacks...no matter the topic.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You have to remember Johnny Boy is a racist piece of shit who thinks that social programs have never decreased crime which is patently false. That somehow the voting public knows this. Now THAT is probably true but people know a lot of things that aren't true.

 

[ll74]

You have to remember Johnny Boy is a racist piece of shit who thinks that social programs have never decreased crime which is patently false. That somehow the voting public knows this. Now THAT is probably true but people know a lot of things that aren't true.

I know what he is. He can't make any observations about the world without hating the blacks for ruining some part of it.

I actually think he may be the most obviously racist person I've ever come across.