World War 3

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" And it's one, two, three, What are we fighting for? Don't ask me, I don't give a damn, Next stop is Vietnam; And it's five, six, seven, Open up the pearly gates, Well there ain't no time to wonder why, Whoopee! we're all gonna die."

-- Country Joe and the Fish, The Fish Cheer &
I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag (Vanguard Records, 1967)


Some say that WW3 now has begun. I say it began with 9-11.

Here's the setup as of today:

With the American incursion into the Middle East stalled due to public resistance generated by failure in both Afghanistan and Iraq, Israel believes it must directly destabilize and/or control all Islamic fundamentalist states, else face certain destruction in the future. Israel's conduct in the region since the Palestinians were pushed aside to make way for its formation after WWII has made Israel's viewpoint a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Israel is in the process of seizing the balance of Palestine via the simple expedient of killing or driving out all remaining Palestinians from their homeland.

Simultaneously, and by its own declaration, Israel has begun a war with Lebanon.

Hezbollah, Islamic military protector of Lebanon, now has declared war upon Israel. Based in Lebanon, Hezbollah is supported and directed by Syria and Iran.

That means Israel also is at war with Syria, since Lebanon is directed and protected by Syria (which Israel has wanted America to invade). Syria formally has declared its support for Lebanon.

Therefore Israel soon will be at war with Iran, since Syria and Iran have a mutual defense pact (and Israel has wanted America to invade Iran, too). Iran already has pledged "support" for Syria and previously has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

North Korea and Iran have been very cozy in recent years: North Korea has nuclear missiles but no money, while Iran has lots of money but no nuclear missiles. They share a deep and unabiding hatred of America. Do the math.

Iran wants Israel dead and the American puppet regimes removed from all Arab countries.

Israel wants Iran broken apart and under its own control, along with every other Middle Eastern state.

North Korea wants South Korea and the removal of American forces from Asia.

China wants Taiwan, long has wished to eliminate Japan and also would like the removal of American forces from Asia.

Russia would like both America and Israel to stop meddling in the affairs of its breakaway republics and former client states in the Middle East.

America wants to rule the world; indeed, believes it already does so.

The world economy is so broken due to plundering by International bankers and other Zionist elite that Depression II is inevitable. Just like WWII and Depression I, WWIII will be the only way to distract people from their impending economic misery, mask the effects of Depression II and get economies going again. Just like WWII and Depression I, international bankers and other Zionist elite will be the real beneficiaries by loaning and selling to all sides and once again scooping up small businesses, farms and residences for one-tenth their value.

The average American, dumbed down by a broken education system and both distracted and lied to by the most tightly-controlled media in history, is unaware of most of the foregoing already-existing scenario, not to mention real history. American Christian fundamentalist dispensationalists desperately want to believe the media lies about Arabs starting hostilities, with Israel merely defending itself. The subplot, involving the usual International bankers and other Zionist elite, is denied by even knowledgeable Americans.

Here's how it could play out from here:

Israel bombs Syria. Syria invokes its mutual aid pact with Iran in order to deal with Israel. Iran must cross Iraq to help Syria, which puts Iran at war with America, regardless of what America does or does not do at Israel's behest. America uses its mini-nuclear "bunker buster" bombs on Iran, in response, because America quite literally has no other option available. Israel helps out with air support.

Iran and Syria launch Silkworm or Russian Sunburn missiles (which cannot be defended against) against American naval forces in the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean, respectively, thereby neutralizing America's navy and cutting off resupply of ground troops in Iraq. Or, perhaps, with the nuclear shackles off, a handful of nuclear air bursts take out all of America's carrier groups. Regardless, kiss the American Atlantic fleet goodbye. Resupply becomes impossible and it is a long walk from Baghdad to Kuwait, so America's Middle Eastern ground forces, too, are removed from the equation and likely annihilated.

With America out of the way, Iran launches nukes against Israel, which cannot defend against even Scud missiles, thereby turning Israel into a giant, self-illuminated glass parking lot. As a parting gesture, Israel launches its massive nuclear arsenal against all of its Middle Eastern enemies and selected cities in Russia and Europe (just as it has threatened should its destruction become inevitable). Or, Israel might well launch preemptively and Iran respond, with the same result. Regardless, Israel's six million Jews perish in the ensuing nuclear holocaust, thereby finally fulfilling Hebrew prophecy.

Simultaneously, Islamic fundamentalist factions take over all American puppet states in the Middle East, such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt. A resurgent Libya helps out. An Islamic fundamentalist union arises in what is left of the Middle East, stretching from Turkey to India and from Kazakhstan to North Africa. And they have nuclear weapons.

Meanwhile, North Korea invades South Korea, forcing America to use nukes since it has no other option with which to defend American forces stationed there. North Korea responds in kind against all American strongholds within reach, including those in Japan (e.g., Yokosuka).

China moves on Taiwan, as threatened for so many years, using nukes if necessary. Kiss the American Pacific Fleet goodbye when it interferes as dictated by America's defense pact with Taiwan. Technically, China now is at war with America, who likely dithers and does not launch against China. China may well move against Japan at this point. America dithers further, distracted by its problems in the other direction.

NATO dissolves.

Now homeless but following sealed orders, Israel's nuclear subs position themselves in an attempt to mimic those of America and Russia, then launch against both China and Russia in order to fulfill Israel's pledge to take the Western world down with itself. China retaliates against America and Russia with a very limited nuclear strike, albeit everything it has, while invading Russia and seizing everything east of the Ural mountains.

Russia retaliates against military targets in what she perceives to be Jewish America and Jewish Britain (and possibly Jewish Germany and Jewish Austria) for Jewish Israel's nuclear attack, if revealed, else simply against America. Russia's extensive nuclear strike against China kills half its population, yet still leaves it with the largest conventional army in existence.

With its oil supply cut off, no manufacturing infrastructure left and its military forces (most of which were overseas) destroyed, America has no conventional defensive capability left. America uses its nuclear ICBMs to counterattack military targets, inside both Russia and China, prompting a massive Russian counterstrike against American population centers.

All surviving nuclear missile submarines, having launched their weapons, return home to their respective countries. Russia and China reload and return to sea. America has nothing with which to reload...for the time being. Israel's subs dock in America, where they likely are met by angry mobs and destroyed.

America, now beheaded and lying prostrate, lapses into widespread race wars, with Aztlan in the Southwest and New Africa in the deep south coming into existence...for the time being. America's shadow government is pulled from its underground vaults, tried for war crimes and shot by nascent New American forces.

China seizes Alaska, then moves into Western Canada and Northwestern America, where it is stopped cold by unexpectedly ferocious American and Canadian guerilla warfare.

What is left of Russia and Europe consolidate their defensible borders, which have changed radically, and sign a mutual-defense pact.

America ceases to be a world player and struggles merely to survive. New America emerges from the ashes with a strong sense of its ethnic heritage due to the race wars it just has endured.

The attempt at a New World Order results in an effective standoff between EuroRussia, Greater Islam and China. Eventually, New America joins EuroRussia and assumes its rightful position as a merely coequal player in world affairs.

South America and Africa return to widespread tribal warfare and genocide, experience massive famine and pandemic disease and thereby restore a natural balance between their environments and their much-reduced remaining human populations. Pockets in South America actually thrive.

WW4 looms in the not-so-distant future, to be fought by our grandchildren.

Australia and New Zealand likely escape unscathed, but, like the rest of the world, in WW4 will face a serious threat from China.
 
World War 3 is Here

So I suppose cleaning the garage is a waste of time.

[Checking that off my list.]
 
You had it up until the race wars.

I'm fairly sure this is going to turn into WWIII, too. And frankly, I'm scared shitless.
 
The world is coming to an end. I didn't believe that until about a week ago.
 
hogjack said:
But I feel fine.
*hums the rest*Does anybody even know the words to that song? It just figures, though. I get what is a "fairly" decent life, & we ar eall gonan die. I feel partially to blame.
 
We should bomb the middle east til the sand turns to glass.
 
I don’t think it’s going much further than it already has. There isn’t much doubt that it will escalate a little more, but then it will calm down again. China doesn’t want war and won’t back this one. Nobody else can even hope to take on the US without China. The entire Middle East can’t do it without China.

Contrary to what the left likes to say about our military being stretched, I think the rest of the world knows that we have been playing nice so far.
 
I'm nasty said:
*hums the rest*Does anybody even know the words to that song?

The way Michael Stipe mumbles, he probably doesn't even know himself.
 
Nicely done.

Except I would think that the primary objective of the US, Europe, China, and Russia would be the vast oil fields of the middle east, and it would be in their immediate interests to try to preserve it intact until it became clear they could not. Moreover I would surmise that any nuclear activity that occured in that region would be self-inflicted.. most possibly by Israel itself (if it ever became clear to the Israeli government that their nation's existance was irreversably threatened they would self-destruct.. re: Samson)

So...

1) Israel bombs Syrian strategic targets and plunges the region into a scenario much as you described. Iran declares war on Israel, Russia makes good on treaties and backs Iran. Furthermore Germany and possibly France stand in on behalf of Russia. G8 relations essentially dissolve as a result... but tactical nuclear exchange is still not quite imminent... the world's leaders are smart enough to know what the result of that would and must be.

2) China, wanting to move against Taiwan but uncertain whether or not to engage in an extended campaign against the US (for lack of sufficient long-term energy reserves) will most likely support N.Korea first, to test the US reaction. (Even if hostile forces move against the 5th and 6th fleet, which surely they would, just as you said, they cannot possibly remove the American naval presence in the Atlantic in one blow. The American navy is just too freaking huge) China's primary objective would most likely be the oil reserves of the middle east, and why not? With Europe divided, the US effectively crippled in the Atlantic, and a standing army of almost 2.5 million Chinese men who have never gotten laid, they could march virtually unopposed into the middle east (perhaps even making a pact with the Islamic states, and Russia by extention, to rid the area of the pesky little western forces causing so much grief in their backyards)

3) The US and the EU will be forced to respond in order to preserve their control over the oil reserves they desperately need (although certainly they will cite perfectly good reasons such as the preservation of the US military lives in Iraq, particularily after witnessing western forces completely eliminated without declaration in Afghanistan). Iraq will be as far as the Chinese army gets, the only means of contesting this force will be with air power.. every bit of it the western world can muster in a brief period of time. This is the last time we will see the US and the EU on relational terms, as a very brief "cold war" will ensue. In a desperate last ditch attempt to maintain control, the UN will impose (possibly a temporary) global political control in order to effect stability and would probably implement several procedures (ie. a state of non-recognition of all geo-political borders, and would most likely begin branding men like cattle in their efforts to maintain that control. It would all seem quite reasonable, in fact)

4) Global political tensions continue to escalate in the aftermath of this prelude, and the only possible course may be to place the entire middle east region under UN or some other non-partisan control. Israel will obviously object and refuse, middle east nations will continue demand the removal of Israel, the EU will recognize this as the only means of achieving regional peace, and of course the US will staunchly continue to back Israel.. effectively causing Russia and Germany (and possibly France) to finally recognize that the US must be contended with as well.. it will be the only way to achieve world peace (and for Europe to regain it's status as the dominant power in the world). There will be no resolution but to fight.

5) If, at this point during this interval, any sort of extreme disaster were to occur in the US (ie, natural disaster, economic collapse..) that weakened them further (which is highly speculative, I realize, even in this thread) Europe would not hesitate to finish them off with a tactical exchange.. the opportunity would simply be too tempting if the US were discovered to be in a position they could not respond to such an exchange.

6) Finally, combined global forces will move on Israel by order of the UN in order to pacify the region once and for all... and Israel will go Samson on the forces gathered at Megiddo.



Well, anyways.. all speculation, of course. For the fun of it. Thanks Cade, that was great fun :)
 
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With all the insanity and hatred going on, the world already is coming to an end.
 
hogjack said:
Then we could shape the glass into dildos...and make a fortune!
i was thinking then we could see the oil through the glass ,but waste not want not we can make a fortune on dildo's.
 
People have been saying the world's coming to an end since it began,who's to know.Then i wouldn't worry so much about my daughter and nieces and nephews growing up in such a shithole we have created.
 
tabbybaby said:
You had it up until the race wars.

I'm fairly sure this is going to turn into WWIII, too. And frankly, I'm scared shitless.

What about the Cola wars??
 
Iran in it's current state will not go to war. They won't have nukes for quite a while so unless they really do get them from somewhere else then they really aren't that much of a threat. Right now they are just hot air and will likely remain that way for some time.
N. Korea is a legitimate threat to it's neighbors but they are also quite capable of defending themselves with some help from us. While that may be a real war, it's one that we will win.
Russia and China are not players in this. They don't want anything to do with it because there is just too much to lose. China is happy right now because they are making a fortune. They don't want to lose that.
Israel will fight whoever decides to fight them and they will eventually either win or deal a truce and that will be the end of it for a little while. Then it will all start over again.
 
No, it's not WW 3.

This will all taper off in a week or so.

And Country Joe was a drug-infested idiot.
 
landslider2000 said:
And Country Joe was a drug-infested idiot.

And your point is?

I-Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-To-Die Rag is a great song. Rather than being strident, Country Joe used humor to protest against the war in Vietnam. Maybe you had to have been there to appreciate it.
 
Every country should be able to make nuclear weapons. Then we will see the real fun.
 
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