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[h_i_s]

I do live on the same continent, our nation is helping by absorbing some of the economocial shock that has taken place. But I want to see a little less bickering fraught with anger that shows no end. In the end, the fury has to end or else it loses everything it stood for.

i can't and won't speak for any other country, however,
.... there have been MANY significant changes made throughout the history of the United States, where the American people chaneled their 'fury' against many things that seemed unjust, unacceptable, and not to their expectations ... and in effect have changed this country in many many many positive ways.

Fury is not always a bad thing ... sometimes it simple means the people are waking up and saying HELL NO .. we deserve and EXPECT better and we want to see a change.

 

[Xelebes]

i can't and won't speak for any other country, however,
.... there have been MANY significant changes made throughout the history of the United States, where the American people chaneled their 'fury' against many things that seemed unjust, unacceptable, and not to their expectations ... and in effect have changed this country in many many many positive ways.

Fury is not always a bad thing ... sometimes it simple means the people are waking up and saying HELL NO .. we deserve and EXPECT better and we want to see a change.

Ever read a novel where the tension never eased and it just got annoying and ridiculous? That's what I'm getting at. Build the fury but let's ease it for now.

 

[Netzach]

I do live on the same continent, our nation is helping by absorbing some of the economocial shock that has taken place. But I want to see a little less bickering fraught with anger that shows no end. In the end, the fury has to end or else it loses everything it stood for.

If people never got angry at their government I'd be discouraged from working at all because I haven't got a dick. Gays would have to pretend not to exist. Black people would be at the back of the bus.

A lot of things have never changed without the hard questions being asked at volatile times.

 

[nusubgurl]

Taking care of folks...

I'm gonna out myself here a bit in order to give you some information, so bear with me...

I am the local health authority and part of the emergency management team here in my town of 13,000 (the whole county has 30,000). I am one hour west of houston and three hours from the LA state line. I am on a major evacuation route for hurricanes in this part of Texas.

In the last 5 days my town has absorbed over 1000 refugees. They showed up with abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. They ran for their lives.

Edited to insert: The reason the fled with nothing was that most of these folks are so poor none of us on here can embrace the depth of their poverty. The hurricane hit at the end of the month...most of their benefit monies were gone. They don't have reliable transportation. They don't have credit cards they can whip out and fill up the minivan and make reservations with their cell phones on the way to AR, or TX, or KY. Many came in on buses. The ones in private vehicles often had 5,6,7 people in them. We had one family of 15 women and children; there wasn't enough room for the men in the cars so they all stayed behind. They came with nothing because that's all they were surviving on BEFORE the hurricane came.

We have housed, fed, and cared for them in total..we have two full Red Cross shelters up and running and every motel, hotel and RV park is packed. Our churches are feeding three meals a day. Our hospital is sending nursing teams out daily...think: asthmatics without inhalers, diabetics without insulin, epileptics without sedatives...i had a man who had a defibrillator implanted the day before he arrived...was checked out of the hospital against medical advice by his daughter.

These folks aren't evacuees.. they aren't going home...some will move on from here, but many are here to stay. I'm immunizing kids...even though the requirements have been waived...and getting them into schools and day care. Everyone is trying to provide transitional housing...mostly for free.. to get folks out of shelters...ranches and business all over our county are coming in and offering any job they can make up...mending fences, painting barns, bucking hay bales, road repairs...anything... to give the men jobs. Churches are assembling temporary daycares and displaced women are being hired to work in them. Restaurants are hiring, construction companies are hiring..the school district...even the city i work for...we KNOW these people are desperate to get on with some semblence of their lives.

There is only so much that governement can do.. and like a big steamship..it does take time to get that big an operation up to speed.

We learned our lesson from NY on 9/11 when everyone donated blood... and not a drop was used, as there were no injuried...only dead. The blood went to waste. This time, we waited to see WHAT exactly these people needed and find out WHERE the people were...

New Orleans is dead...rest in peace Big Easy.

Texas has 500,000 new residents, and I have 1000+ new citizens to serve.

If you ever had a doubt that being submissive is a GOOD thing..you've never seen a woman with a badge and the power to use it..when she is driven by a very private need to serve others.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Yes, but weather and climate are not all that related. Weather is only a mere subset of climate. Climate has habitat, seasonal temperature differences and other factors while weather does not. Just because in Canada it gets to 40C twice in a year does not mean the world is getting warmer because we might also get -50C in the next winter or the winter after.

Umm,yes they are related here is a simple explanation of the connections)and another which gives a small explanation of the role oceans can play in climate and climatic conditions, and habitat is influenced by climate, and weather is part of an indication of that climate, and seasons come from those climatic conditions....basically where I am from we no longer have seasons yet when I was a child there were autumn leaves and cold snaps in winter....not any more.


Catalina

 

[catalina_francisco]

If people never got angry at their government I'd be discouraged from working at all because I haven't got a dick. Gays would have to pretend not to exist. Black people would be at the back of the bus.

A lot of things have never changed without the hard questions being asked at volatile times.

And not very often has a week been sufficient time to rumble the drum enough to make changes. Unfortunately, those involved will live with the effects much longer than a week, a month, or even a year and t will be more unpleasant than complaints about a government who stood by and did nothing. Burying ones' head in the proverbial sand and hoping the nasties disappear rarely works well.

Catalina

 

[Xelebes]

Umm,yes they are related here is a simple explanation of the connections)and another which gives a small explanation of the role oceans can play in climate and climatic conditions, and habitat is influenced by climate, and weather is part of an indication of that climate, and seasons come from those climatic conditions....basically where I am from we no longer have seasons yet when I was a child there were autumn leaves and cold snaps in winter....not any more.


Catalina

The links are saying what I am trying to say. The storm is weather. Hurricanes are part of the climate of the region but a single storm is the weather.

 

[catalina_francisco]

Ever read a novel where the tension never eased and it just got annoying and ridiculous? That's what I'm getting at. Build the fury but let's ease it for now.

Why? I don't get that thought process. If I had been killed or lost loved ones due to the inaction, I think I would hope someone would care enough to say something and demand answers and change in the fture.

Catalina

 

[h_i_s]

Ever read a novel where the tension never eased and it just got annoying and ridiculous? That's what I'm getting at. Build the fury but let's ease it for now.

How and why should it be eased? Besides, i'm with the understanding that stifling feelings is not a healthy habit. Expressing is ...

This isn't a novel which can be closed and put aside due it's inescapable levels of tension, though i'm certain many wish that it were. We can't close it's covers, and make it go away, whether temporarily nor permanently. And if we could, the suffering of the thousands in LA still remain. And if we could, the plot remains the same: We were promised improvements, loose ends tied up, and plans involving Homeland Security issues being put in place. We were told that the plan was etsablished. It was not/is not and thousands have died as a result. We expect our people to be cared for properly, NOW and in the future. That's what i am getting at.

Of course, there is the option of turning off the TV & the radio, logging off of the computer, and refraining form reading the news papers for anyone who has need to escape the ridiculous and annoying tension. Although here, we'd have to lock ourselves in, roll up the sidewalk draw the blinds and stay at home, too ... it's the current topic of conversation almost anywhere we go.

 

[TNRkitect2b]

I'm gonna out myself here a bit in order to give you some information, so bear with me...

I am the local health authority and part of the emergency management team here in my town of 13,000 (the whole county has 30,000). I am one hour west of houston and three hours from the LA state line. I am on a major evacuation route for hurricanes in this part of Texas.

In the last 5 days my town has absorbed over 1000 refugees. They showed up with abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. They ran for their lives.

We have housed, fed, and cared for them in total..we have two full Red Cross shelters up and running and every motel, hotel and RV park is packed. Our churches are feeding three meals a day. Our hospital is sending nursing teams out daily...think: asthmatics without inhalers, diabetics without insulin, epileptics without sedatives...i had a man who had a defibrillator implanted the day before he arrived...was checked out of the hospital against medical advice by his daughter.

These folks aren't evacuees.. they aren't going home...some will move on from here, but many are here to stay. I'm immunizing kids...even though the requirements have been waived...and getting them into schools and day care. Everyone is trying to provide transitional housing...mostly for free.. to get folks out of shelters...ranches and business all over our county are coming in and offering any job they can make up...mending fences, painting barns, bucking hay bales, road repairs...anything... to give the men jobs. Churches are assembling temporary daycares and displaced women are being hired to work in them. Restaurants are hiring, construction companies are hiring..the school district...even the city i work for...we KNOW these people are desperate to get on with some semblence of their lives.

There is only so much that governement can do.. and like a big steamship..it does take time to get that big an operation up to speed.

We learned our lesson from NY on 9/11 when everyone donated blood... and not a drop was used, as there were no injuried...only dead. The blood went to waste. This time, we waited to see WHAT exactly these people needed and find out WHERE the people were...

New Orleans is dead...rest in peace Big Easy.

Texas has 500,000 new residents, and have 1000+ new citizens to serve.

If you ever had a doubt that being submissive is a GOOD thing..you've never seen a woman with a badge and the power to use it..when she is driven by a very private need to serve others.

Nu

Nu, I want to jump in here and thank you from the bottom of my heart for the help that you and your colleagues are giving to the displaced people coming your way. I am staying out of the pissing contest above, because I have more pressing issues on my mind, such as how to help as an individual those who have fled north into our community as well.

Again, thank you for your efforts.

 

[h_i_s]

If people never got angry at their government I'd be discouraged from working at all because I haven't got a dick. Gays would have to pretend not to exist. Black people would be at the back of the bus.

A lot of things have never changed without the hard questions being asked at volatile times.

Women would still not be allowed to vote, involuntary slavery/servitude would be legal, and restrooms everywhere would be labeled black or white rather than men or women.... etc ect ... And to think, many of those issues started out as simple conversations, sharing of views, debates, or 'pissing contests' ... as some might term them. Many changes start as just 'talk'.

Amen! Change is good .. proper channeling of fury and anger is a good thing which has lead to many good changes and improvements for this country .......

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Women would still not be allowed to vote, involentary slavery/servitude would be legal, and restrooms everywhere would be labeled black or white rather than men or women.... etc ect ...

Amen! Change is good .. proper channeling of fury and anger is a good thing which has lead to many good changes and improvements for this country .......

If I may... the underlined portion of your post is what is not happening in this and the many other forums where people are complaining.

 

[Krinaia]

Before reading the rest of the thread: Yes, our thoughts are with you. I don't think people will donate as much as they would for poor countries, but newspapers and TV is all stuffed with news from New Orleans.
I have to say though that while thinking of the victims, most here are shocked as hell that the US didn't handle it better in the first days. It feels a bit strange that the US has to rely on help from other nations for the very basics (Germany sent 25 tons of food so far). I just hadn't expected this, I would have thought you would be able to handle such things by yourselves.

Well monetary help isn't really necessary except that it is putting your actions where your mouth is. But I've sort of slowed on watching the news on Katrina this weekend, I needed uplifting a bit. But I think it's sad that people are not quite capable of grieving for our southern friends whilst ALSO paying attention to the judicial bench issues AND showing support of the recent disaster in Iraq. Single minded dweed Americans.

 

[h_i_s]

If I may... the underlined portion of your post is what is not happening in this and the many other forums where people are complaining.

How is it not proper? How is it not good? And since when is a justified voice of complaint and sharing of opinions in relation to facts neither proper nor good?

 

[Sir_Winston54]

How is it not proper? How is it not good? And since when is a justified voice of complaint and sharing of opinions in relation to facts neither proper nor good?

My comment was not intended to say that sharing of opinions or complaint was not good... it was intended to say that "proper channeling" of the anger was/is good. In other words, if the people with issues concerning these events will channel that anger into action, as at the polls, etc., it will be a good thing.

Check the stats on the last ten presidential elections - check the stats on the mid-term elections. See how few people determine our leaders. In almost every case, at least since 1976, you'll find that a minority of eligible voters decides who wins elections. It's ridiculous to have 20, 25, 30 percent of those eligible to vote select the government that rules - yes, rules - our lives.

That was the intent of my comment - not to say that "complaint and sharing of opinions ... {is} neither proper nor good." I apologize for any lack of clarity. The reference to this thread and those in other forums was to indicate that none of them that I have seen has called in any way for any coordinated or widespread use of the greatest power we have - our voices by way of our ballots.

 

[Private_Label]

Just another worry - has anyone noticed other nations offering their prayers and thoughts? I haven't seen that in the news and if the US is so alienated right now that no one globally cares about our crisis - that really worries me.

Japan, Sri Lanka and the UK have sent money to the red cross. Germany has offered prayers and sympathy. Many nations seem to be under the impression that because the US is able to help them with their disasters that we don't need any help with our own. Right now I think they could use equipment (helicopters and such) to speed up rescue and relocation efforts, money to buy food and water and medical supplies from the local areas (transportation can cost a lot more than buying local especially with the rising cost of gasoline), blood drives to help the injured, and places to put displaced families while they are waiting to get aid from FEMA/Salvation Army/Red Cross.

Right now a room with AC, a place to shower, clean water and uncontaminated food is a lot more than most of them have currently. I think Craigslist is coordinating the homes for displaced people last I heard.

 

[Netzach]

My comment was not intended to say that sharing of opinions or complaint was not good... it was intended to say that "proper channeling" of the anger was/is good. In other words, if the people with issues concerning these events will channel that anger into action, as at the polls, etc., it will be a good thing.

Check the stats on the last ten presidential elections - check the stats on the mid-term elections. See how few people determine our leaders. In almost every case, at least since 1976, you'll find that a minority of eligible voters decides who wins elections. It's ridiculous to have 20, 25, 30 percent of those eligible to vote select the government that rules - yes, rules - our lives.

That was the intent of my comment - not to say that "complaint and sharing of opinions ... {is} neither proper nor good." I apologize for any lack of clarity. The reference to this thread and those in other forums was to indicate that none of them that I have seen has called in any way for any coordinated or widespread use of the greatest power we have - our voices by way of our ballots.

Sorry, I'm a bit jaded where the power of the ballot is concerned. I don't want to get into the last 2 presidential elections here.

I don't have room for flood victims and I did send what money I have on hand, though I have mountains of debt, I figured the hospital and the credit card company can wait. That's the most I can manage right now. I have meds on hand, unopened, that are worth literally thousands of dollars, but it's not legal to distribute them. Frustrating.

What money I've given has not been put to justifiable use. I'm infuriated that it was not turned into food distributed right away, as soon as possible. Not after W came and had his press op, not after the dome was evacuated. ASAP does not mean those things.

 

[DVS]

I'm gonna out myself here a bit in order to give you some information, so bear with me...

I am the local health authority and part of the emergency management team here in my town of 13,000 (the whole county has 30,000). I am one hour west of houston and three hours from the LA state line. I am on a major evacuation route for hurricanes in this part of Texas.

In the last 5 days my town has absorbed over 1000 refugees. They showed up with abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. They ran for their lives.

Edited to insert: The reason the fled with nothing was that most of these folks are so poor none of us on here can embrace the depth of their poverty. The hurricane hit at the end of the month...most of their benefit monies were gone. They don't have reliable transportation. They don't have credit cards they can whip out and fill up the minivan and make reservations with their cell phones on the way to AR, or TX, or KY. Many came in on buses. The ones in private vehicles often had 5,6,7 people in them. We had one family of 15 women and children; there wasn't enough room for the men in the cars so they all stayed behind. They came with nothing because that's all they were surviving on BEFORE the hurricane came.

We have housed, fed, and cared for them in total..we have two full Red Cross shelters up and running and every motel, hotel and RV park is packed. Our churches are feeding three meals a day. Our hospital is sending nursing teams out daily...think: asthmatics without inhalers, diabetics without insulin, epileptics without sedatives...i had a man who had a defibrillator implanted the day before he arrived...was checked out of the hospital against medical advice by his daughter.

These folks aren't evacuees.. they aren't going home...some will move on from here, but many are here to stay. I'm immunizing kids...even though the requirements have been waived...and getting them into schools and day care. Everyone is trying to provide transitional housing...mostly for free.. to get folks out of shelters...ranches and business all over our county are coming in and offering any job they can make up...mending fences, painting barns, bucking hay bales, road repairs...anything... to give the men jobs. Churches are assembling temporary daycares and displaced women are being hired to work in them. Restaurants are hiring, construction companies are hiring..the school district...even the city i work for...we KNOW these people are desperate to get on with some semblence of their lives.

There is only so much that governement can do.. and like a big steamship..it does take time to get that big an operation up to speed.

We learned our lesson from NY on 9/11 when everyone donated blood... and not a drop was used, as there were no injuried...only dead. The blood went to waste. This time, we waited to see WHAT exactly these people needed and find out WHERE the people were...

New Orleans is dead...rest in peace Big Easy.

Texas has 500,000 new residents, and I have 1000+ new citizens to serve.

If you ever had a doubt that being submissive is a GOOD thing..you've never seen a woman with a badge and the power to use it..when she is driven by a very private need to serve others.

A very nice post, nusubgurl. It answers a few outstanding questions. I, too wish to thank you for not only your effort, but for your success. Ya'll down there in Texas have a very big heart!

 

[h_i_s]

My comment was not intended to say that sharing of opinions or complaint was not good... it was intended to say that "proper channeling" of the anger was/is good. In other words, if the people with issues concerning these events will channel that anger into action, as at the polls, etc., it will be a good thing.

Check the stats on the last ten presidential elections - check the stats on the mid-term elections. See how few people determine our leaders. In almost every case, at least since 1976, you'll find that a minority of eligible voters decides who wins elections. It's ridiculous to have 20, 25, 30 percent of those eligible to vote select the government that rules - yes, rules - our lives.

That was the intent of my comment - not to say that "complaint and sharing of opinions ... {is} neither proper nor good." I apologize for any lack of clarity. The reference to this thread and those in other forums was to indicate that none of them that I have seen has called in any way for any coordinated or widespread use of the greatest power we have - our voices by way of our ballots.

Ok, and now that you have made the intent of your comment clear, i thank you and can only say that i can certainly agree.

i still remember my eighteenth birthday. There was no cake, no party & no celebration as far as i can recall. What i do recall however, as i clocked out early, was my boss stopping me on my way out & asking me why i had requested to work only half of my normal shift that day (it was a Saturday, and they were mandatory ... i was denied the day off .. was pissed and was taking it anyway). When i'd explained to him that it was my eighteenth birthday and i needed the afternoon off from work to get myself down to city hall and register to vote ... i was given the afternoon off ... with pay. He gave me a ride to city hall. i wasn't aware prior to that day that he was a Vietnam Vet who was very active in politics prior to owning a Chuck E Cheese franchise where i was employed.

So, no ... my complaints are not just full of wind and hot air ... and i'll be screaming them outloud in the form of votes .. as i have for the past 20 years.

 

[h_i_s]

I'm gonna out myself here a bit in order to give you some information, so bear with me...

I am the local health authority and part of the emergency management team here in my town of 13,000 (the whole county has 30,000). I am one hour west of houston and three hours from the LA state line. I am on a major evacuation route for hurricanes in this part of Texas.

In the last 5 days my town has absorbed over 1000 refugees. They showed up with abso-fucking-lutely NOTHING. They ran for their lives.

Edited to insert: The reason the fled with nothing was that most of these folks are so poor none of us on here can embrace the depth of their poverty. The hurricane hit at the end of the month...most of their benefit monies were gone. They don't have reliable transportation. They don't have credit cards they can whip out and fill up the minivan and make reservations with their cell phones on the way to AR, or TX, or KY. Many came in on buses. The ones in private vehicles often had 5,6,7 people in them. We had one family of 15 women and children; there wasn't enough room for the men in the cars so they all stayed behind. They came with nothing because that's all they were surviving on BEFORE the hurricane came.

We have housed, fed, and cared for them in total..we have two full Red Cross shelters up and running and every motel, hotel and RV park is packed. Our churches are feeding three meals a day. Our hospital is sending nursing teams out daily...think: asthmatics without inhalers, diabetics without insulin, epileptics without sedatives...i had a man who had a defibrillator implanted the day before he arrived...was checked out of the hospital against medical advice by his daughter.

These folks aren't evacuees.. they aren't going home...some will move on from here, but many are here to stay. I'm immunizing kids...even though the requirements have been waived...and getting them into schools and day care. Everyone is trying to provide transitional housing...mostly for free.. to get folks out of shelters...ranches and business all over our county are coming in and offering any job they can make up...mending fences, painting barns, bucking hay bales, road repairs...anything... to give the men jobs. Churches are assembling temporary daycares and displaced women are being hired to work in them. Restaurants are hiring, construction companies are hiring..the school district...even the city i work for...we KNOW these people are desperate to get on with some semblence of their lives.

There is only so much that governement can do.. and like a big steamship..it does take time to get that big an operation up to speed.

We learned our lesson from NY on 9/11 when everyone donated blood... and not a drop was used, as there were no injuried...only dead. The blood went to waste. This time, we waited to see WHAT exactly these people needed and find out WHERE the people were...

New Orleans is dead...rest in peace Big Easy.

Texas has 500,000 new residents, and I have 1000+ new citizens to serve.

If you ever had a doubt that being submissive is a GOOD thing..you've never seen a woman with a badge and the power to use it..when she is driven by a very private need to serve others.

Sincere thanks kind thoughts & prayers go out to you, nusubgirl. -- i can't imagine what you, and the many others like yourself who are actively involved with the relief efforts are experiencing.

 

[catalina_francisco]

The links are saying what I am trying to say. The storm is weather. Hurricanes are part of the climate of the region but a single storm is the weather.

LOL, yes, they are related which is not what you were saying...climate is the bigger, long term description, weather is moment to moment....both include the occurance or liklihood of things such as hurricanes, rain, snow, hot, cold, etc. I guess you can call every storm, hurricane, tornado as a 'single' event if you don't want to face the undeniable stats showing the major changes of single events becoming more common and severe worldwide...want to ignore that now they are discussing in the UK how people are beginning to successfully grow tropical plants in their garden for the first time because of the overall climate change..but if you read and understand what is said in those links (which I made non-greenhouse based so it would not be seen as biased) is that melting snowcaps and ice means rising oceans and water tables, increased salinity levels in some areas (Oz is one)...rising water means changes in the atmosphere and climate, and brings about changes in weather such as flooding, hurricanes, storms, droughts, and is increasing in severity.

Catalina

 

[FurryFury]

I thought the footage with Geraldo Rivera was stomach turning. You shouldn't have to create drama for us G, when events are already so damn dramatic!

I can't read about the animals suffering now. I mean, this may get me jumped on, but as terrible as human suffering is, for some reason animals suffering is harder for me to look at.

On the other end of the spectrum, they are talking about having a scaled back Mardi Gras there anyway. I haven't been to one since I was nine. As ridiculous at it sounds, I like that there are some souls out there thinking about a party.


Fury

 

[Xelebes]

LOL, yes, they are related which is not what you were saying...climate is the bigger, long term description, weather is moment to moment....both include the occurance or liklihood of things such as hurricanes, rain, snow, hot, cold, etc. I guess you can call every storm, hurricane, tornado as a 'single' event if you don't want to face the undeniable stats showing the major changes of single events becoming more common and severe worldwide...want to ignore that now they are discussing in the UK how people are beginning to successfully grow tropical plants in their garden for the first time because of the overall climate change..but if you read and understand what is said in those links (which I made non-greenhouse based so it would not be seen as biased) is that melting snowcaps and ice means rising oceans and water tables, increased salinity levels in some areas (Oz is one)...rising water means changes in the atmosphere and climate, and brings about changes in weather such as flooding, hurricanes, storms, droughts, and is increasing in severity.

Catalina

I'm not being ignorant. I'm just distinguishing the difference. The hurricane itself is category 5 at it's peak. There have been many hurricanes that been a category 5. Does this mean that global warming is happening? No. A pattern of increased turmoilous hurricanes would indicate that the weather is being more violent in that particular region. However, as everything does there is a cycle and this may just be the up-cycle or it may indicate a larger cycle taking place - there is not enough data to conclusively pinpoint this in this instance. The same goes for the droughts.

As I have conversed with a meteorologist who has actually studied the data, global warming is not happening but rather climate change. Don't watch CNN, especially Lou Dobbs.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Weather, climate, warming, changes....

... now they are discussing in the UK how people are beginning to successfully grow tropical plants in their garden for the first time because of the overall climate change..but if you read and understand what is said in those links (which I made non-greenhouse based so it would not be seen as biased) is that melting snowcaps and ice means rising oceans and water tables, increased salinity levels in some areas (Oz is one)...rising water means changes in the atmosphere and climate, and brings about changes in weather such as flooding, hurricanes, storms, droughts, and is increasing in severity.

Catalina

One thing that many people seem to keep neglecting in the overall warming trend that seems to be taking place is this interesting tidbit: The Earth, over most of it's history, has been a much warmer world than it is now. In terms of geological time, we are still emerging from the last Ice Age. Remember folks, Antarctica was a land of temperate and sub-tropical climate during much of it's history. Much of North America was covered by an inland sea and The Great Salt Lake is the remnant of that sea.

Global warming? Humans are delusional if we think we are causing this change. Our "efforts" may be helping to speed up the process, but frankly, I would not be surprised by our climate becoming warmer still even if we stopped producing greenhouse gasses immediately and completely. A supervolcano eruption or cometary impact would throw enough material into the atmosphere to reverse the trend, but I'm not sure we want to deal with the rest of the problems those events would create.

Buy land in the mountains, buy land elsewhere that's at least 500 - 700 feet above current sea levels.... If not in our life times, then somewhen down the road your decendants will apppreciate the forethought you showed in buying them beachfront property.

Oh... and make bloody sure it's on the upwind side of any supervolcano caldera in the area.

 

[Krinaia]

One thing that many people seem to keep neglecting in the overall warming trend that seems to be taking place is this interesting tidbit: The Earth, over most of it's history, has been a much warmer world than it is now. In terms of geological time, we are still emerging from the last Ice Age. Remember folks, Antarctica was a land of temperate and sub-tropical climate during much of it's history. Much of North America was covered by an inland sea and The Great Salt Lake is the remnant of that sea.

Global warming? Humans are delusional if we think we are causing this change. Our "efforts" may be helping to speed up the process, but frankly, I would not be surprised by our climate becoming warmer still even if we stopped producing greenhouse gasses immediately and completely. A supervolcano eruption or cometary impact would throw enough material into the atmosphere to reverse the trend, but I'm not sure we want to deal with the rest of the problems those events would create.

Buy land in the mountains, buy land elsewhere that's at least 500 - 700 feet above current sea levels.... If not in our life times, then somewhen down the road your decendants will apppreciate the forethought you showed in buying them beachfront property.

Oh... and make bloody sure it's on the upwind side of any supervolcano caldera in the area.

Bing bing... for winning the coolest word of the day: caldera. I loved my Geology 101 class. It's maybe forunate and unforunate I took it my fifth year - or I might now be a geologist. A lot of geologists seem to die violent and horrible deaths involving lava, gases and other such things.

I sort of figure if we can slow down the melting of the ice caps enough - whilst also figuring out how to melt the ice on Mars - we could colonize Mars before a real life Kevin Costner movie happens.


And back to Katrina. I saw in the news - OXFAM has responded by brinigng aid to the Delta region and one of the things I saw is that unencumbered by politics and a reactionary funding processes - they are able to respond more quickly in a country then the country's own government. Which makes me question my thesis whilst also supporting my bachelor's thesis all in one general swoop. Interesting stuff though. Normally, I'm against large international aid organizations because I think they can do more harm then good sometimes and aren't always able to appropriately regionalize their solutions. Also the ability of many small local organizations like church's - that is a really great message that sometimes small people can do big things that really do help. And one that I think our nation needs to remember.