Wit and Wisdom of Donald Rumsfeld: in memoriam

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-Needless to Say-

Needless to say,
The president is correct.
Whatever it was he said.

Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing
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-Clarity-

I think what you'll find,
I think what you'll find is,
Whatever it is we do substantively,
There will be near-perfect clarity
As to what it is.
And it will be known,
And it will be known to the Congress,
And it will be known to you,
Probably before we decide it,
But it will be known.

—Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing
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Rumsfeld library of quotations:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/bh/rumsfeld.shtml
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[from Congressman Murtha's website]

Murtha responds to Rumsfeld’s comments [that opponents of the war are morally confused]



Johnstown, PA - The following is Congressman Murtha’s response to Secretary Rumsfeld’s recent speech from Salt Lake City, Utah.

“If there is a moral and intellectual confusion about this war, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is the one that is confused; his overly optimistic mischaracterizations of this war continue to confuse and dishearten Americans.”


Murtha also noted the numerous mischaracterizations from Secretary Rumsfeld:


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Fall 2002

Rumsfeld: “If you [Source: worry about just] the cost, the money, Iraq is a very different situation from Afghanistan…Iraq has oil. They have financial resources.” [Source: Fortune Magazine, Fall 2002]


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January 19, 2003

Rumsfeld: “Well, the Office of Management and Budget, has come up come up with a number that's something under $50 billion for the cost. How much of that would be the U.S. burden, and how much would be other countries, is an open question.” [Source: Media Stakeout, 1/19/03]

Murtha: By the end of this fiscal year the cost of the war in Iraq to the United States will be nearly $450 billion dollars.


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February 7, 2003

Rumsfeld: “It is unknowable how long that conflict [the war in Iraq] will last. It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Murtha: This war has lasted longer than the Korean War, World War I and World War II in Europe.


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February 23, 2003

Rumsfeld: "The idea that it would take several hundred thousand U.S. forces I think is far off the mark," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

Murtha: The professionals in the U.S. military recommended 350,000 troops to be available.

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February 20, 2003

Rumsfeld: “‘Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?’ Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS’ The News Hour. ‘There is no question but that they would be welcomed,’ Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces.”

Murtha: According to the polls, the overwhelming majority of Iraqis think of the U.S. as occupiers.
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March 27, 2003

Rumsfeld: “I don't believe that the United States has the responsibility for reconstruction, in a sense…[Reconstruction] funds can come from those various sources I mentioned: frozen assets, oil revenues and a variety of other things, including the Oil for Food, which has a very substantial number of billions of dollars in it. [Source: Senate Appropriations Hearing, 3/27/03]

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March 30, 2003
Rumsfeld: “It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

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April 11, 2003

Rumsfeld: “I don’t know that there is much reconstruction to do.” [Source: Reuters, “U.S. Officials Play Down Iraq Reconstruction Needs,” Entous, 4/11/03]

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December 8, 2004

Rumsfeld: As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They’re not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.

Murtha: I personally discovered in Iraq 44,000 troops without body armor and shortages of up-armored Humvees and jammers.
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February 2, 2006

Rumsfeld: “Is Iraq going to be a long war?” Mr. Rumsfeld answered, “No, I don’t believe it is.”

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April 4, 2006

Rumsfeld: In response to Sec. Rice’s statement that the United States had made thousands of "tactical errors" in handling the war in Iraq. "I don't know what she was talking about, to be perfectly honest,” said Rumsfeld.

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August 2, 2006
QUESTION: And the question, Mr. Secretary, after your most recent visit and this spike in violence, do you believe that Iraq is closer than ever to the brink of civil war?
Rumsfeld: "Closer than ever."
Rumsfeld: “Clearly, there's sectarian violence. People are being killed. Sunnis are killing Shia; Shia are killing Sunnis. Kurds seem not to be involved.”
 
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ROFL :D

While Rummy's resignation doesn't exactly signal the death of the rhetorical question in public discourse, it will probably amount to a 95% reduction in use. :cool:
 
Existential poetry of DH.

-I would not say--

"I would not say
that the future
is necessarily
less predictable than the past.

I think the past
was not predictable
when it started."
 
Pure said:
-I would not say--

"I would not say
that the future
is necessarily
less predictable than the past.

I think the past
was not predictable
when it started."

(Says in a very stoned voice) Whoa, man. That's really fucking deep.
 
rgraham666 said:
(Says in a very stoned voice) Whoa, man. That's really fucking deep.
:eek: My Gawd, that's it! They've all been high. Give me a hit of what you're smoking, Rob. I think Rummy will start to make sense....
 
Scene from Office Space with Dick Cheney as Lumbergh:

"Hey, Don, how's it going. Yeah. Listen, I'm gonna need you to go ahead and turn in your resignation. So if you could just go ahead and have that on the president's desk tomorrow morning, by, say, nine a.m, that would be great...Oh, and how are those TPS reports coming along? Mm. Yeah. If you could just plan on getting those over to the Pentagon for me before you leave, that would be terrific."


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Edited to add a new Rummy quote to Pure's list. From his resignation speech, regarding the president:

"I'm confident that when history is written, your role will be recorded."
 
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This is an award winner!

Rumsfeld on Epistemology

Reports that say that something hasn't happened
Are always interesting to me,
Because as we know,
There are known knowns;
There are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns;
That is to say
We know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns -
The ones we don't know we don't know.
 
fucking deep, that!

(sounds like the man was reading a lot of bafflegab 'management theory' stuff)
 
Looking back on Bush/Cheney's "new era of accountability."

From "State of Denial"

At the end of the second of two interviews, I {author Bob Woodward} quoted former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara: “Any military commander who is honest with you will say he’s made mistakes that have cost lives.”

“Um hmm,” Rumsfeld said.

“Is that correct?”

“I don’t know. I suppose that a military commander ...”

“Which you are,” I interrupted.

“No I’m not,” the secretary of defense said.

“Yes, sir,” I said.

“No, no. Well … ”

“Yes. Yes,” I said, raising my hand in the air and ticking off the hierarchy. “It’s commander in chief, secretary of defense, combatant commander.”

“I can see a military commander in a uniform who is engaged in a conflict having to make decisions that result in people living or dying and that that would be a truth. And certainly if you go up the chain to the civilian side to the president and to me, you could by indirection, two or three steps removed, make the case.”

Indirection? Two or three steps removed? It was inexplicable. Rumsfeld had spent so much time insisting on the chain of command. He was in control—not the Joint Chiefs, not the uniformed military, not the National Security Council or the NSC staff, not the critics or the opiners. How could he not see his role and responsibility?

I could think of nothing more to say.
 
Rummy isn't that special, as his bafflegab shows.

He loves authority. Who wouldn't love being able to say, "Go into that minefield that's under enemy fire and retrieve that live hand grenade."

He loves taking credit. Most people love saying, "That was my decision. And it was a good one."

They hate responsibility. As most people would there's no way he's going to say, "I'm sorry there isn't enough left of your son to bury in a matchbox. It was my order and my fault."

So Rummy isn't that special.
 
(Tapping foot) I'm still waiting for you to pass the bong this way....
 
to sher

(bogarts the joint; then passes it to 3113)

nice excerpt, sher. i do see the point he was trying to make, about 'civilian control.' ideally the politicians (our elected leaders) decide on which war to wage and for how long. the military fellows supply the means, the tools to get the job done (kill the enemy and destroy his will to fight), provided congress gives em lots of money.

i'm not sure when it all began, but the Secretaries of Defense, from the time of mcnamara got into micromanagement and deciding on weapons systems, and lately troop strength. what a mess.

yet probably twas always so. Hitler bossed his generals as did Stalin; usually the results are bad.

as with Hitler, there are politicians here who undertake NON necessary and NONdefensive wars for ideological or hegemonic purposes.

Good ole Harry, however, did a splendid job reining in MacArthur. Generals run wild is NOT a pleasant scenario either.
 
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3113 said:
(Tapping foot) I'm still waiting for you to pass the bong this way....

Wha? (Blinks)

Sorry, man. Smoked it all.

(Giggles) It was really good shit too. (Giggles)
 
shereads said:
Chill, Laura. It's Jeb's turn, then Barbara's.
Barb'll just pass it to the twins..and let them finish it off! She always spoils them.

Screw it. I'll just bake a batch of brownies....
 
poem

The Situation

Things will not be necessarily continuous.
The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous
Ought not to be characterized as a pause.
There will be some things that people will see.
There will be some things that people won't see.
And life goes on.

—Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing
 
One of Rummy's Rules:

It is always easier to get into something than to get out of it. [DHR]

hmmm...
 
Pure said:
It is always easier to get into something than to get out of it. [DHR]

hmmm...
Don't think too hard about this one, Pure. You'll end up like those computers in old Sci-Fi movies, smoking and ranting "Does not compute! Does not compute!"
 
actually i was thinking of iraq!

but where is the damn bong? :nana:
 
Pure said:
actually i was thinking of iraq!
Yes, I know. Does not compute...

but where is the damn bong?
The Bushes have it. We've switched to brownies. Here: double chocolate espresso, fresh from the oven. All organic ingredients, including one that was home grown.
 
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