Windows 10

[someoneyouknow]

Now Microsoft has really screwed up. Another of their mandatory updates has caused hordes of people's machine to go into continual reboot mode:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/08/windows-10-forced-updates-causing-endless-crash-loop/

If you're quick enough you can alter your registry but if not, oh well. It's not your machine or software in the first place.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

I use Spybot, a free anti-malware program. Now I discover that Windows 10 has uninstalled it. What could possibly be the reason for that?

 

[TxRad]

I use Spybot, a free anti-malware program. Now I discover that Windows 10 has uninstalled it. What could possibly be the reason for that?

Windblows 8 left it but didn't play nice with it.

 

[Handley_Page]

A view from a trade journal: LINK

 

[jomar]

Now Microsoft has really screwed up. Another of their mandatory updates has caused hordes of people's machine to go into continual reboot mode:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/08/08/windows-10-forced-updates-causing-endless-crash-loop/

If you're quick enough you can alter your registry but if not, oh well. It's not your machine or software in the first place.

I wasn't forced to update, but did and the error loop happened to me, but it finally worked itself out. Still can't access settings yet.r

 

[HandsInTheDark]

I spent more than 3 decades in the automotive and motorcycle industries. I don't think a driver should be able to do any maintenance tasks on a car. They should be familiar with the machine enough to recognize that "something sounds or feels funny...different".

You are what is wrong with not just the auto industry, but most industries. No offense. As far as I'm concerned, when I buy anything from any vendor, what I bought is mine and should last a lifetime if I - and I mean I - am willing to care for it. If I *have* to go back to the vendor - for ANY reason - the vendor has failed and should get no repeat business for me.

Nothing's been built to that level of quality since the Edwardian days; we live in a disposable society, where most everything is built to fail as soon as the warranty expires. The only car I ever *wanted* to own was the Rolls Royce that had a sealed engine that was intended to last a lifetime, and if it didn't they gave you another one. Now that's what I call a path to customer appreciation. Every other car ever sold is as far as I can tell a trap to keep you bleeding money into the hands of dealers or mechanics, and you still have to replace the car after a decade. We can do better - industry just has no interest in letting go of their cash cows. Torx screws, my ass.

Computers are now heading in the same direction, and this is why Microsoft has just lost my business. I can't do much about the auto industry, but I know enough about computers to say "no thank you" and make it stick.

 

[R. Richard]

The only car I ever *wanted* to own was the Rolls Royce that had a sealed engine that was intended to last a lifetime, and if it didn't they gave you another one. Now that's what I call a path to customer appreciation. Every other car ever sold is as far as I can tell a trap to keep you bleeding money into the hands of dealers or mechanics, and you still have to replace the car after a decade. We can do better - industry just has no interest in letting go of their cash cows.

Okay, you were a very rich heir and you bought a Rolls. when you got your first license, maybe 16,in 1990. Now your carefully maintained Rolls doesn't have anti-lock braking systems, halogen headlights, etc. Time marches on and the perfect car of yesteryear is now a dated classic.

 

[TxRad]

Okay, you were a very rich heir and you bought a Rolls. when you got your first license, maybe 16,in 1990. Now your carefully maintained Rolls doesn't have anti-lock braking systems, halogen headlights, etc. Time marches on and the perfect car of yesteryear is now a dated classic.

A few weeks ago, a guy brought me a 1969 Texas Maid aluminum hull ski boat. He had already redone the floors, seats and paint job. I installed a modern windshield, converted the steering from cables to rack and pinion single shaft, upgraded the running lights, interior lights and night driving lights to LED. Then I updated the engine ignition to electronic from points.

Not a Rolls Royce but you get the idea. Anything can be made updated with a little thought and money. That old boat is far better in many ways than any of the new fiberglass junk.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

Okay, you were a very rich heir and you bought a Rolls. when you got your first license, maybe 16,in 1990. Now your carefully maintained Rolls doesn't have anti-lock braking systems, halogen headlights, etc. Time marches on and the perfect car of yesteryear is now a dated classic.

But it's MY dated classic, and mine to do with what I please. And to the point, it's not bleeding my cash into anyone else's hands. Maybe I don't want halogen headlights? Maybe what I bought then was sufficient for my needs and still is; and what people call "progress" is really fashion and glitter painted on to get us to keep paying over and over for the basic ability to get from point A to point B? (I won't make that claim about anti-lock brakes though. Those rock. But in my world view if I wanted them badly enough I'd buy a car with them; a choice I made, not made for me by planned obsolescence.)

(This is all fiction, of course. That rolls may be the only car I ever wanted, but it's not one I can ever have.)

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Interesting...

Windows 10 Spies on emails, images, credit cards...

 

[TxRad]

Interesting...

Windows 10 Spies on emails, images, credit cards...

Windblows decided to use the Google model.

 

[Handley_Page]

Windblows decided to use the Google model.

Bloody advertising. . .

 

[R. Richard]

A few weeks ago, a guy brought me a 1969 Texas Maid aluminum hull ski boat. He had already redone the floors, seats and paint job. I installed a modern windshield, converted the steering from cables to rack and pinion single shaft, upgraded the running lights, interior lights and night driving lights to LED. Then I updated the engine ignition to electronic from points.

Not a Rolls Royce but you get the idea. Anything can be made updated with a little thought and money. That old boat is far better in many ways than any of the new fiberglass junk.

I had a space frame 1957 Porsche Speedster. Pretty much stock. except for a twin turbo, injected 2316 Type 4, with a roller cam, composite lifter setup and all of the tricks from RAT. The engine drives through a Mendeola trans/differential setup. The stopping power comes from Brembo discs and the steering from a rack and pinion setup.
I took my little guy up on Ridge Road to settle matters with what was supposedly a stock Corvette (actually a 383 stroker motor,)
I jumped Cheater Corvette off the line and managed to hold off a car with maybe twice the horsepower of my little guy (I was taching 8,500) until we got to the turns down near the bottom. I was able to get a little separation. A highway patrol wimp mobile joined the chase. As I ran up to Dead Man's Gulch, I managed to reserve at least half of my little guy's suspension travel and I got through the Gulch in good order, with my little guy lugged down to 5,600 and still pulling like a straight jacketed maniac.
Cheater Corvette apparently didn't have enough suspension travel left and bounced off the bump and did a guard rail test. The highway patrol wimp mobile then center punched cheater Corvette.
I got to side streets and did a disappearing act. I managed to leave my Speedster with a lady friend. However, when I got home the next day, a highway Patrol Supervisor who made me sell my Speedster, without a single shred of evidence that would stand up in a court of law. (I was accused of street racing. I did mention Ridge ROAD?)

 

[Handley_Page]

I had a space frame 1957 Porsche Speedster. Pretty much stock. except for a twin turbo, injected 2316 Type 4, with a roller cam, composite lifter setup and all of the tricks from RAT. The engine drives through a Mendeola trans/differential setup. The stopping power comes from Brembo discs and the steering from a rack and pinion setup.
I took my little guy up on Ridge Road to settle matters with what was supposedly a stock Corvette (actually a 383 stroker motor,)
I jumped Cheater Corvette off the line and managed to hold off a car with maybe twice the horsepower of my little guy (I was taching 8,500) until we got to the turns down near the bottom. I was able to get a little separation. A highway patrol wimp mobile joined the chase. As I ran up to Dead Man's Gulch, I managed to reserve at least half of my little guy's suspension travel and I got through the Gulch in good order, with my little guy lugged down to 5,600 and still pulling like a straight jacketed maniac.
Cheater Corvette apparently didn't have enough suspension travel left and bounced off the bump and did a guard rail test. The highway patrol wimp mobile then center punched cheater Corvette.
I got to side streets and did a disappearing act. I managed to leave my Speedster with a lady friend. However, when I got home the next day, a highway Patrol Supervisor who made me sell my Speedster, without a single shred of evidence that would stand up in a court of law. (I was accused of street racing. I did mention Ridge ROAD?)

You know, I reckon this would be a very interesting tale if it could be translated (or even explained).

 

[Handley_Page]

I quote:

FAIL: Windows 10 bulk patch produces INFINITE CRASH LOOP:
Update KB3081424 reboots half way through the install.


For fuller details, see HERE.

and HERE.

 

[SweetWitch]

Windblows decided to use the Google model.

It's a data mining application that will track your every move and toss advertisements at you all day long. Also, if you leave a mic on, it will record your private conversations and send you advertisements based on that. It's the ultimate in spyware.

 

[TxRad]

It's a data mining application that will track your every move and toss advertisements at you all day long. Also, if you leave a mic on, it will record your private conversations and send you advertisements based on that. It's the ultimate in spyware.

If that was the case, whips and chains and dungeons and dragons, would be the least of my worries.

Not that it could happen since the only computer on when it's playtime runs Linux and isn't connected to the internet. Safety first in all things.

 

[Handley_Page]

It's a data mining application that will track your every move and toss advertisements at you all day long. Also, if you leave a mic on, it will record your private conversations and send you advertisements based on that. It's the ultimate in spyware.

And this is in Win 10 from scratch ?
Can it be turned off ? [there are Rules in the EU about it] (ha ha)

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And this is in Win 10 from scratch ?
Can it be turned off ? [there are Rules in the EU about it] (ha ha)

Yes there is a complex procedure you have to perform...you have to find out where and click some buttons...in order to turn it off. Of course you never really know if it is off...so just disconnect from the internet except when downloading your favorite porn.

 

[SweetWitch]

And this is in Win 10 from scratch ?
Can it be turned off ? [there are Rules in the EU about it] (ha ha)

It's why they're offering it for free. To my knowledge, there is no way to shut it off. Nothing in life is truly free. This is free to us so they can monitor our habits better and use the information to part us from our money. It's just another step toward full control of our lives.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

And this is in Win 10 from scratch ?
Can it be turned off ? [there are Rules in the EU about it] (ha ha)

Of course Windows 10 can be turned off. Install Linux. These days it looks just like Windows if you want it to, and runs a browser better than Windows does, which is 98% of what 98% of people care about.

Long time Windows user here - and I can tell you that it's over and I'm not going back. Anything I buy from here on in gets Linux. It's just that that hard anymore. Cheaper, faster, just about virus free, and you won't have Microsoft in your pants, rooting around for spare change.

 

[Swilly]

Of course Windows 10 can be turned off. Install Linux. These days it looks just like Windows if you want it to, and runs a browser better than Windows does, which is 98% of what 98% of people care about.

Long time Windows user here - and I can tell you that it's over and I'm not going back. Anything I buy from here on in gets Linux. It's just that that hard anymore. Cheaper, faster, just about virus free, and you won't have Microsoft in your pants, rooting around for spare change.

I have tinkered around with a number of different Linux flavors over the past ten years. Frankly, I have yet to encounter a single one that worked seamlessly upon install. There's the rub with Linux. Because it doesn't have the widespread use that Windows or Macs do, you are inevitably going to end up with some kind of compatibility issues you'll need to deal with. For most people, dealing with those issues are a deal breaker. On top of that, there are a number of programs you can't run in Linux, even using Wine. And no, there isn't a great alternative for every one of them.

Here's an interesting post about it. Sift through the comments too. To anyone that has tried solving an issue in Linux, some of those comments will bring back bad memories.

http://downtoearthlinux.com/posts/11-reasons-to-avoid-linux/

Personally, I like Windows 10 an awful lot so far. I think the interface is clean and fresh, and I've had no issues at all. I also run a small Chromebook for quick access and to write on.

If Microsoft and Google want to tailor ads and my user experience based upon my preferences and usage, so be it. I'd rather see things that are more relevant to me if I must see ads. It is a balance of modern convenience vs. privacy. The sheer number of users ends up being quite a shield to protect us from individual scrutiny.

If I was that worried about it, I'd toss my cell phone, computer, home phone and cable TV out the window and sit in the dark on the couch wearing my foil hat. Oh, and I'd only drive a car that was at least forty years old.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's why they're offering it for free. To my knowledge, there is no way to shut it off. Nothing in life is truly free. This is free to us so they can monitor our habits better and use the information to part us from our money. It's just another step toward full control of our lives.

In the article I posted a link to hey are other links to turn off the spy stuff...I didn't read them thoroughly, but it looked like you could turn it off.

I wonder if the pay version of Win 10 will be riddled with adds?

I can understand a free version, that had been the model since some of the first software that was given away...I can remember the name of it, but I used something way back when that ran adds down the side of the display like it does when you're on amazon.

Now if I pay for the software, it better be add free to begin with. If they think they aren't charging enough and run adds anyway, I wonder how many litigators will be happy to reach into the deep pockets of Microsoft.

 

[Swilly]

In the article I posted a link to hey are other links to turn off the spy stuff...I didn't read them thoroughly, but it looked like you could turn it off.

I wonder if the pay version of Win 10 will be riddled with adds?

I can understand a free version, that had been the model since some of the first software that was given away...I can remember the name of it, but I used something way back when that ran adds down the side of the display like it does when you're on amazon.

Now if I pay for the software, it better be add free to begin with. If they think they aren't charging enough and run adds anyway, I wonder how many litigators will be happy to reach into the deep pockets of Microsoft.

They aren't running ads on your desktop or anything like that, Zeb. They are trying to pull you into their ecosystem much as Google has with their offerings. Should you go onto Bing or other Microsoft pages, or use Cortana, then results will be tailored based upon my information and usage.

As I noted above, such things can be convenient as hell. For example, when we leave the city every Friday evening, Google Now already knows that I do that, and gives me a traffic report ahead of time. It knows when I leave for work, and what method I take...and provides me with information I may need about that route. MS and Cortana want to do the same thing.

 

[trysail]

They aren't running ads on your desktop or anything like that, Zeb. They are trying to pull you into their ecosystem much as Google has with their offerings. Should you go onto Bing or other Microsoft pages, or use Cortana, then results will be tailored based upon my information and usage.

As I noted above, such things can be convenient as hell. For example, when we leave the city every Friday evening, Google Now already knows that I do that, and gives me a traffic report ahead of time. It knows when I leave for work, and what method I take...and provides me with information I may need about that route. MS and Cortana want to do the same thing.

Big Brother is watching.

Google IS evil.





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