Sean Renaud
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Wrong. The government engaging in racism only perpetuates and expands racism.
History has proven otherwise.
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Wrong. The government engaging in racism only perpetuates and expands racism.
As usual, you are distorting what I said to fit your narrow little ideological agenda. He promoted ideas that divide people by race. Then whenever anyone opposed any of his policies, he screamed that it was racism.Vilifying Obama for not pretending racism was dead? Yes, we know that was the plan all along.
No, history has proven my point.History has proven otherwise.
No, history has proven my point.
Nothing in those amendment shas any relevance to any of what I said. The approach that has been taken to racial issues in the past 15+ years has been utterly contrary to the things that the civil rights movement stood for. It prioritizes race and identity and essentializes people, declaring that they must have certain experiences and beliefs based on their race. It also promotes separate facilities and events for different racial and identity groups. That's the very segregation the civil rights movement opposed. The woke folks who support that are essentially segregationists.
This completely upends Dr. King's vision that "one day, my four little children will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by teh content of their character." Today, judging them by the content of their character is considered "white supremacy."
These "white saviors" (self-proclaimed) implicitly promote the idea that minorities cannot make it without their "help." When a minority does, such as a black man who grew up in abject poverty in rural Georgia speaking a different language but rose to the Supreme Court or a kid from the projects in Detroit who rose to become the chief or pediatric neurosurgery at a major hospital, they are viciously attacked for doing so.
As Malcolm X said, the worst enemy of the black man is the white liberal. Justice Thomas has said something similar to that.
This is an actual conversation I had with a "woke" person who agrees with you:
"All black people experience racism every day."
"What do you say to those blacks who say they don't?"
"Well, they do."
"So you, as a white person, are going to whitesplain to those blacks what their lived experience is?"
"I'm not having this conversation."
Take the story Michelle Obama tells about the time she and a friend took their kids for ice cream and a white woman cut in front of them in the line. Mrs. Obama assumes that that's racism. I can't say if it is or isn't. It's undeniably rude, but we really don't know whether she does that to other people as well. We know only what happened in that one instance. To assume that it must be racially motivated is itself racially motivated. it might be; it might not be. But Mrs. Obama assumes it must be racism because the woman is white. She assumes motivation due to skin color, then projects that onto all whitefolk.
The worst thing you can do to a minority is to treat him/her as just another member of a group. But that's exactly what your side does. And I'm sorry to have to say this, but that only makes race relations worse.
"No Drama Obama" never screamed about anything, certainly not about this. (Probably at least in part because he knew as a Black man, he'd be less able to get away with it than anyone else.)As usual, you are distorting what I said to fit your narrow little ideological agenda. He promoted ideas that divide people by race. Then whenever anyone opposed any of his policies, he screamed that it was racism.
Nonsense. In fact, he even got some heat from the far left for not being far enough from that.Nobody is criticizing him for "not pretending racism was dead" but he did pretend we hadn't made any progress in regard to race, like it was the 1950s and segregation was still in force.
Only in the eyes of racists like yourself. Gates was arrested for the "crime" of forgetting his house key, Martin was murdered for walking while Black, and Obama simply acknowledged the reality that these still were (and still are, a decade later) facts of life that too many Americans have to live with.He exploited the Henry Louis Gates incident, the Trayvon Martin incident, and other such things to promote an agenda that divided people.
I, for one, do not believe for one moment that there's anything he could have done that you would have interpreted as "racial healing". What he did do was acknowledge that we as a society have work left to do.He ran as a racial healer andcould hve been one had he tried, but instead we went backwards.
Well, they would be if your claims about them were anywhere near the truth. But they're not.Nothing in those amendment shas any relevance to any of what I said. The approach that has been taken to racial issues in the past 15+ years has been utterly contrary to the things that the civil rights movement stood for. It prioritizes race and identity and essentializes people, declaring that they must have certain experiences and beliefs based on their race. It also promotes separate facilities and events for different racial and identity groups. That's the very segregation the civil rights movement opposed. The woke folks who support that are essentially segregationists.
No it isn't, and as Sean Renaud has already pointed out, you are missing the point of your favorite MLK quote completely like all your fellow wingnuts do.This completely upends Dr. King's vision that "one day, my four little children will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by teh content of their character." Today, judging them by the content of their character is considered "white supremacy."
No one attacked Clarence Thomas or Ben Carson for being successful. What we have criticized them for - among other things - is the idea that they made it all on their own by the sweat of their brow. It wasn't only Affirmative Action; Thomas also had a rich grandfather who sent him to the best private school Black kids had access to in those days - but it certainly made a difference. Also, I have never heard anyone self-proclaim themselves to be a white savior. Not a single time, and I run in plenty of the kind of circles where you undoubtedly think it happens.These "white saviors" (self-proclaimed) implicitly promote the idea that minorities cannot make it without their "help." When a minority does, such as a black man who grew up in abject poverty in rural Georgia speaking a different language but rose to the Supreme Court or a kid from the projects in Detroit who rose to become the chief or pediatric neurosurgery at a major hospital, they are viciously attacked for doing so.
And yet if it weren't for white liberals, Justice Thomas would probably be sweeping the floor somewhere.As Malcolm X said, the worst enemy of the black man is the white liberal. Justice Thomas has said something similar to that.
I wouldn't try to reason with you about that either. But yes, all Black Americans experience racism every day. Those who say they don't, I don't consider it my place to contradict them, but I'd love to hear what other Blacks have to say about it.This is an actual conversation I had with a "woke" person who agrees with you:
"All black people experience racism every day."
"What do you say to those blacks who say they don't?"
"Well, they do."
"So you, as a white person, are going to whitesplain to those blacks what their lived experience is?"
"I'm not having this conversation."
It wouldn't kill you to ask why she jumped to that conclusion. Could it be because she has been experiencing microaggressions like that all her life and some of them definitely were racially motivated? What you're really displaying here is a classic case of white privilege.Take the story Michelle Obama tells about the time she and a friend took their kids for ice cream and a white woman cut in front of them in the line. Mrs. Obama assumes that that's racism. I can't say if it is or isn't. It's undeniably rude, but we really don't know whether she does that to other people as well. We know only what happened in that one instance. To assume that it must be racially motivated is itself racially motivated. it might be; it might not be. But Mrs. Obama assumes it must be racism because the woman is white. She assumes motivation due to skin color, then projects that onto all whitefolk.
No, our side does not just treat them as members of a group; we simply acknowledge that they are members of that group and while that shouldn't matter, we as a society are not yet at the point where it doesn't.The worst thing you can do to a minority is to treat him/her as just another member of a group. But that's exactly what your side does. And I'm sorry to have to say this, but that only makes race relations worse.
Then you ought to be able to debunk my points. If you're not even going to try, that tells us all we need to know. As does your insistence that I'm involved with a cult. No one on our side ever said Obama or Biden or Harris was ordained by God, nor have we ever compared them with superheroes.More of your distortions and misstatements. You're just regurgitating your cult's BS.
Taht quote supports my argument. It doesn't support yours, as I showed, so of course you just dismiss it.
At a time when the President of the US has adjudications for racist policies regarding rental properties, uses 'Pocahontas' as a racial slur, refers to undocumented migrants as 'animals', retitles military bases after people who fought to keep slavery legal, bans the teaching of racist history in public schools, people still pretend that there is no racism in the US.
Oh, they think there is racism...but only against whites.At a time when the President of the US has adjudications for racist policies regarding rental properties, uses 'Pocahontas' as a racial slur, refers to undocumented migrants as 'animals', retitles military bases after people who fought to keep slavery legal, bans the teaching of racist history in public schools, people still pretend that there is no racism in the US.
Oh, it's real. A label applied to cultists that only see the superficial.Racialism is a an excuse word for racists.
Either you're racist or you're not.
Racism is real.Oh, it's real. A label applied to cultists that only see the superficial.
Yes they were. The Democrats have been racially gerrymandering congressional districts for the last 50 years. In the next few months to a year we are going to see the political collapse of the nation's oldest political organization. Their popularity is at an all time low. It was 19% in June. The DNC is borrowing money just to keep the lights on.Those gains weren't due to gerrymandering, they were because the Republican brand is poison in most of California.
This is how the Democrats have rigged the congressional districts in their favor:
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If it were reversed, like it soon will be in Texas, you'll be one of its biggest bashers.Which means absolutely fuck all.
*Raising a hand here, to counter your statement about feeling the same way.*You think it's a good thing for the government to engage in racism to combat racism?
I was told by my criminal law instructor (who at one point became the Public Defender for San Bernardino County) that we don't actually need laws prohibiting racism and all the rest. What we need are people who don't do that sort of thing.
I have yet to meet a Democrat who feels the same way. Ever.
If it were reversed, like it soon will be in Texas, you'll be one of its biggest bashers.