Will 3D Printing Make Gun Laws Moot?

[SevMax2]

This has been a recurring question in the back of my mind, as to whether the use of 3D printing to manufacture firearms will make any old or new gun laws obsolete or moot in effect by means of allowing people to make their own and circumvent them on a massive scale in the privacy of their own homes.

Any thoughts?

 

[SevMax2]

For the record, my own stance is that gun rights are individual rights, but not absolute ones free of all regulation. That's more or less the Laurence Tribe position on the issue and I believe that Professor Tribe is right about this matter, though he's still a bit iffy with his RussiaGate paranoia.

It's also the essence of Heller, that gun control is permitted within some limits, but outright gun bans are unconstitutional.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

It's gonna make the NRA piss themselves because they won't be getting manufacturer's kickbacks.

 

[SevMax2]

It's gonna make the NRA piss themselves because they won't be getting manufacturer's kickbacks.

The NRA is fighting just to stay relevant in Second Amendment circles. They are corrupt, mismanaged, and increasingly under the scrutiny of state authorities like New York State Attorney General Letitia James.

It's the Gun Owners of America and National Association for Gun Rights that have really gained steam, as well as smaller groups like Pink Pistols (I'm a Pink Pistols member myself, full disclosure, as they are a specifically LBGTQ gun rights group).

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I doubt 3D printing will impact gun laws. It’s not a matter of loading a file and hitting the print button. All guns are assembled with lots and lots of intricate, precision-machine parts, springs, and tiny screws. Just assembling a gun using standard parts is non-trivial. I don’t know what kind of materials can be used with a 3D printer but they need to be able to able to produce extreme heat resistant mil spec parts. Even those “ghost guns” you hear about take a drill press and other specialized tools combined with a lot of mechanical aptitude. Cheaper and easier to buy one legally or illegally.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I doubt 3D printing will impact gun laws. It’s not a matter of loading a file and hitting the print button. All guns are assembled with lots and lots of intricate, precision-machine parts, springs, and tiny screws. Just assembling a gun using standard parts is non-trivial. I don’t know what kind of materials can be used with a 3D printer but they need to be able to able to produce extreme heat resistant mil spec parts. Even those “ghost guns” you hear about take a drill press and other specialized tools combined with a lot of mechanical aptitude. Cheaper and easier to buy one legally or illegally.

Dafuq?
Lay off the weed, man. You can't handle it.

 

[RoryN]

I don’t know what kind of materials can be used with a 3D printer

...and yet here you are, making emphatic statements about 3D guns.

Speaks volumes.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

...and yet here you are, making emphatic statements about 3D guns.

Speaks volumes.

Said I doubt 3D printers will be a factor. That is an emphatic statement?

Can you print aluminum receivers or are you limited to plastic? Not sure I’d want to screw around with that. You can buy a decent AR 15 fully assembled for $750. How much are you saving vs printing your own with a fucking plastic receiver and adding the metal barrel and parts. If you’re trying to get one illegally, why not just buy an 80% lower? If you’re in the illegal gun production business, you get a CNC milling machine and a drill press. When you factor in performance, reliability, safety, total cost, and skill sets required, it’s hard to imagine how making 3D gun being competitive with the alternatives.

How many violent crimes have been committed with 3D printed guns?

 

[RoryN]

Said I doubt 3D printers will be a factor. That is an emphatic statement?

Can you print aluminum receivers or are you limited to plastic? Not sure I’d want to screw around with that. You can buy a decent AR 15 fully assembled for $750. How much are you saving vs printing your own with a fucking plastic receiver and adding the metal barrel and parts. If you’re trying to get one illegally, why not just buy an 80% lower? If you’re in the illegal gun production business, you get a CNC milling machine and a drill press. When you factor in performance, reliability, safety, total cost, and skill sets required, it’s hard to imagine how making 3D gun being competitive with the alternatives.

How many violent crimes have been committed with 3D printed guns?

^^^
lol

Keep digging that hole, Boomer...

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

^^^
lol

Keep digging that hole, Boomer...

Feel free to challenge or question any of the points and observations I made, or to answer any of the questions I raised. If you have no thoughts of your own, it’s best for you to remain silent on the topic.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Machine shops have already made gun control laws moot. It's not that hard to make a gun. I can make a serviceable shotgun for you in 20 minutes with some black pipe, a hacksaw and a threader.

 

[rae121452]

in the u. s., gun laws are moot. if i want an off-the-wall gun, i know where to get one. if i wanted to kill someone, i could do it. it's the availability of guns that is a problem and now with being able to make your own at home, we're even more fucked. i sold my 9mm because i wanted the money to spend on useless internet crap but i wish i hadn't. my sister and her family keep telling me not to get another, even though they own enough guns to arm a militia and they don't even live in the ghetto, they're in 'leave it to beaver' land. i hate guns, i love guns, and that says it all.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Machine shops have already made gun control laws moot. It's not that hard to make a gun. I can make a serviceable shotgun for you in 20 minutes with some black pipe, a hacksaw and a threader.

Agree. And you don’t need a 3D printer.

 

[LLCox]

I'd like to know how to get a 3D printed firearm sent to me in a plain brown wrapper.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

Machine shops have already made gun control laws moot. It's not that hard to make a gun. I can make a serviceable shotgun for you in 20 minutes with some black pipe, a hacksaw and a threader.

No, you can't. Why do Trumplitards always go the extra mile with their lies?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

No, you can't. Why do Trumplitards always go the extra mile with their lies?

Yes, his claim that it takes 20 minutes might be a stretch. Probably not that much time is needed. Using this pipe kit: “Assembly took about 15 minutes, if that long.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.of...-pipe-shotgun-with-the-pop-a-410-diy-kit/amp/

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No, you can't. Why do Trumplitards always go the extra mile with their lies?

I bet even a slack-jawed oaf like you could crank one out: Just cut a 3/4" black pipe to the length you want. Then get another piece of black pipe whose ID fits over the OD of the smaller piece you just cut and thread one end, screwing a cap onto it. Then drill and tap a screw hole in the middle of the cap to strike the prime of the shell and - bang - you have yourself a shotgun.

Put a shell into the 3/4" pipe, slip the larger sleeve over it and stroke it forward with force to ignite the primer.

The Filipinos used these to kill hundreds of Japanese in WWII.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Yes, his claim that it takes 20 minutes might be a stretch. Probably not that much time is needed. Using this pipe kit: “Assembly took about 15 minutes, if that long.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.of...-pipe-shotgun-with-the-pop-a-410-diy-kit/amp/

That's a lot fancier than the one I saw.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

hmmm I don't know, with a possible chamber pressure of 11,500 psi exerted on black iron pipe...sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

 

[LukSkyFokker]

I bet even a slack-jawed oaf like you could crank one out: Just cut a 3/4" black pipe to the length you want. Then get another piece of black pipe whose ID fits over the OD of the smaller piece you just cut and thread one end, screwing a cap onto it. Then drill and tap a screw hole in the middle of the cap to strike the prime of the shell and - bang - you have yourself a shotgun.

Put a shell into the 3/4" pipe, slip the larger sleeve over it and stroke it forward with force to ignite the primer.

The Filipinos used these to kill hundreds of Japanese in WWII.

You can't do all of that in 20 minutes, liar. Just fucking stop.

 

[BluesDriver66]

You don't need a gun to commit mass murder. European knife and automobile attacks prove this. Also many gun murders are quasi crimes of passion where the easy access to high powered fire power contributes to the high body count. Most mentally unstable people suffering a breakdown from losing a job, cheating spouse, etc. do not have immediate access or skill to manufacture a firearm at a moments notice. Especially high powered military style weapons. Not every mass murderer is life long gun nut with knowledge, skill, and specialized tools to make a reliable high powered firearm.

People still make and plant explosive devices but it's rare. If you could buy them off the shelf at Walmart there would a lot more bomb attacks.

 

[phrodeau]

I bet even a slack-jawed oaf like you could crank one out: Just cut a 3/4" black pipe to the length you want. Then get another piece of black pipe whose ID fits over the OD of the smaller piece you just cut and thread one end, screwing a cap onto it. Then drill and tap a screw hole in the middle of the cap to strike the prime of the shell and - bang - you have yourself a shotgun.

Put a shell into the 3/4" pipe, slip the larger sleeve over it and stroke it forward with force to ignite the primer.

The Filipinos used these to kill hundreds of Japanese in WWII.

And you’d be able to fire about twenty shots an hour.

 

[oggbashan]

Back in the 1930s, one of my uncles cast a small bronze cannon in his school's metalwork shop. It fired a 1-inch steel ball-bearing and on half charge (all he was prepared to risk) it penetrated 9 inches of brickwork.

In the 1950s I made a flintlock pistol in my school's metal workshop. It had a half-inch bore and was smooth bored. The flintlock mechanism was the most difficult part of making it. It took me about a minute to load it and it was only accurate to about 10 yards.

 

[Biggs_Darklighter]

I bought a gun in Mexico that has no ties to me. I can load it in a second and leave at the scene with few worries I will ever be questioned. Lot easier and cheaper than fucking around in a shop making a gun thats as dangerous to the shooter as the shootee.

 

[ShagTimes]

What will come with the 3D printers is an in-built system that prohibits the creation of gun shaped objects, or at least some sort system that alerts authorities if you were to 3D print such a thing.