Why you can't have nice things.

[bellisarius]

I watched the video's of the George Floyd incident and from my perspective the community has every right to be outraged. Protests and demonstrations are certainly called for in this instance.

When those protests cross the line into rioting, looting, arson, and personal injury a line has been crossed. Those acts are as uncalled for as the treatment of Floyd that led to his death. Unfotunately we see this behavior time after time. These riots are not a "one of" event, they have become the order of the day. And unfortunately this has become the face of the American black community. This is seen as typical behavior which leads to stereotyping. I know that the entire black community isn't involved in these behaviors and that it's unfair to paint the entire community with that broad brush, but when that behavior is exhibited time after time after time the community had better realize that that has become the "face of the community."

The effected business establishments are going to pack up the vans with the remaining stock and throw the keys in the door as they turn out the lights and leave, never to return. The community will be left to clean up the wreckage with little hope of a brighter future. Those in the black community that didn't participate but sympathized with the rioters are just as guilty. And those that disagreed but did nothing are part of the problem too. As atrocious as the action of those police officers were there is nothing that can justify the destruction of property and the perpetration of personal injury of businesses and individuals that had nothing to do with those police actions.

Nor can the excuse of those acts being perpetrated by outside agitators be allowed. The community could have stopped those people had they really wanted to, obviously they didn't. Until such time that the black community comes together and stops these behaviors they will continue.

And that's why the black community will never have nice things.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I watched the video's of the George Floyd incident and from my perspective the community has every right to be outraged. Protests and demonstrations are certainly called for in this instance.

When those protests cross the line into rioting, looting, arson, and personal injury a line has been crossed. Those acts are as uncalled for as the treatment of Floyd that led to his death. Unfotunately we see this behavior time after time. These riots are not a "one of" event, they have become the order of the day. And unfortunately this has become the face of the American black community. This is seen as typical behavior which leads to stereotyping. I know that the entire black community isn't involved in these behaviors and that it's unfair to paint the entire community with that broad brush, but when that behavior is exhibited time after time after time the community had better realize that that has become the "face of the community."

The effected business establishments are going to pack up the vans with the remaining stock and throw the keys in the door as they turn out the lights and leave, never to return. The community will be left to clean up the wreckage with little hope of a brighter future. Those in the black community that didn't participate but sympathized with the rioters are just as guilty. And those that disagreed but did nothing are part of the problem too. As atrocious as the action of those police officers were there is nothing that can justify the destruction of property and the perpetration of personal injury of businesses and individuals that had nothing to do with those police actions.

Nor can the excuse of those acts being perpetrated by outside agitators be allowed. The community could have stopped those people had they really wanted to, obviously they didn't. Until such time that the black community comes together and stops these behaviors they will continue.

And that's why the black community will never have nice things.

Ah, the smell of racism in the morning.

 

[bellisarius]

Ahh, the stench of morons in the morning.

 

[Conager]

There will be a cycle of Federal money and complaints about gentrification (as if rising property values in a black neighborhood is anti-black) then decay. It goes in 20 year cycles.

The root of it is excess consumerism and low savings rates. Without a culture of ownership and spending discipline to get there, there is no community. It is an encampment between evictions, regardless of the skin color. No different, really, in the faire to thrive white parts of town.

Hair-trigger violence dies seem a cultural anomaly, that may be simply a function of that segment being slightly "ahead" on rates of single parent households.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Some Thoughts from Another Thread:

Here's the meme that I prefer to use by way of excuse...


These aren't the locals (the aggrieved) who are the face of the rioters
it's people coming in from other places who are causing the pandemonium.
I guess it's an exchange program as the residents of Minneapolis travel to other
communities and start reciprocal riots there. This is a well-orchestrated outrage rage...

Democracy is amazing, truly remarkable.
You agitate your community, you organize it
and you vote for the government that best represents...

... and then when the new boss is as hapless as the old boss,
instead of retreating into contemplation and community involvement,
your first recourse in expressing your own self-disappointment is not to examine
the premise(s) that got you to where you are, but, to instead, pick up torch and brick...




Careful what you wish
Careful what you say
Careful what you wish
You may regret it
Careful what you wish
You just might get it

Which leads to this:

As we have discussed many times this has become not just a basal polity
but an actual industry where the people of the community who make the promises
seem to be the prophets who profit at the expense of their fellows as President Obama did.
The self/situational-awareness that demands the changes desired is never
going to be realized through elections, but has to begin on the hearth,
in the church, in the schools and in the community; the hurdle to
overcome being that of the recent history where welfare was
used to separate the black father from the family...

A well-intentioned and altruistic endeavor
doomed to failure by false premise.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Ah, the smell of racism in the morning.

Ahh, the stench of morons in the morning.

The smart set has devolved its argument into one word,
no matter the issue, no matter the point,
"Racism" 'Trumps' rebuttal...

By using this word, you virtue-signal
to the people right-minded such as yourself,
that you are too good, too erudite to elucidate...

You don't have to prove or demonstrate
that which "everyone knows,"
it's a priori...

 

[RobDownSouth]

Ah, the smell of racism in the morning.

#ThosePeople tried taking a knee peacefully.....and the RWCJ didn't like that either.

Ahh, the stench of morons in the morning.

Relatives visiting? Yah, fuck that lockdown!

And I see both Conager and the Chief are using the events of the past few days to clutch their pearls about welfare.

Not one fucking word about what triggered this whole mess.

https://i.imgur.com/GdOkoFG.jpg

 

[bellisarius]

The smart set has devolved its argument into one word,
no matter the issue, no matter the point,
"Racism" 'Trumps' rebuttal...

By using this word, you virtue-signal
to the people right-minded such as yourself,
that you are too good, too erudite to elucidate...

You don't have to prove or demonstrate
that which "everyone knows,"
it's a priori...

Used to the point that it's now meaningless.

 

[SpeareChucker]

It's like yelling Republican in a crowded DNC convention center
when another Democrat is not sufficiently Progressive enough.

 

[Liar]

 

[bellisarius]

False equivalence.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Already addressed in post #5.
This community had the leadership and police that it voted for
and funded, and the latter, probably not well; the former only ambitious...

 

[Sean]

I watched the video's of the George Floyd incident and from my perspective the community has every right to be outraged. Protests and demonstrations are certainly called for in this instance.

When those protests cross the line into rioting, looting, arson, and personal injury a line has been crossed. Those acts are as uncalled for as the treatment of Floyd that led to his death. Unfotunately we see this behavior time after time. These riots are not a "one of" event, they have become the order of the day. And unfortunately this has become the face of the American black community. This is seen as typical behavior which leads to stereotyping. I know that the entire black community isn't involved in these behaviors and that it's unfair to paint the entire community with that broad brush, but when that behavior is exhibited time after time after time the community had better realize that that has become the "face of the community."

The effected business establishments are going to pack up the vans with the remaining stock and throw the keys in the door as they turn out the lights and leave, never to return. The community will be left to clean up the wreckage with little hope of a brighter future. Those in the black community that didn't participate but sympathized with the rioters are just as guilty. And those that disagreed but did nothing are part of the problem too. As atrocious as the action of those police officers were there is nothing that can justify the destruction of property and the perpetration of personal injury of businesses and individuals that had nothing to do with those police actions.

Nor can the excuse of those acts being perpetrated by outside agitators be allowed. The community could have stopped those people had they really wanted to, obviously they didn't. Until such time that the black community comes together and stops these behaviors they will continue.

And that's why the black community will never have nice things.

Do fuck off, you were outraged when black people knelt on one knee to protest, you cunt.

 

[hogjack]

Minneapolis needs to get its shit together. There are decent citizens (of all races, ethnicity, and gender) at the mercy of thugs, rioters, and looters.

Where the fuck is the National Guard and law enforcement?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Why do the rioters get a face of color? Do all police officers have the face of murderers?

 

[phrodeau]

The riots have cost the city of Minneapolis $542,733.

Oops, that was the cost of Trump’s rally last October.

 

[hogjack]

The riots have cost the city of Minneapolis $542,733.

Oops, that was the cost of Trump’s rally last October.

You took the time for this stupid post? Seriously.

Think things through. You are better than this. Maybe.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The riots have cost the city of Minneapolis $542,733.

Oops, that was the cost of Trump’s rally last October.

It didn’t cost Trump anything.

 

[RobDownSouth]

You took the time for this stupid post? Seriously.

Think things through. You are better than this. Maybe.

Clutch those pearls....someday, perhaps, people will post what you want them to post instead of their own opinions. Today is obviously not that day.

Perhaps you should contact Conager, he can deputize you as Assistant Hall Monitor.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Cities compete for events like these since
the participants add to the local economy.

 

[bellisarius]

Do fuck off, you were outraged when black people knelt on one knee to protest, you cunt.

Pissed off is the word you should have used, I wasn't outraged. And as the owners allowed those actions to take place on the playing field, I exercised my right to protest by not watching the games anymore.

Not to mention the fact that those "protests" were pointless and accomplished nothing. They did have the virtue of being peaceful and not involving the destruction of property, theft, or injury to others.

 

[icanhelp1]

Why do the rioters get a face of color? Do all police officers have the face of murderers?

Why does rioting, looting, arson, and public harm always happen in black communities? The whole country saw the videos and is outraged, and yet, rather than let the justice system work they burn their cities down. The whole country wants justice so what does ruining your city accomplish. Why pile on more pain? Letting outsiders run the narrative and allow them agitators to take over the community and bring destruction. The AA community needs to isolates these derelicts and send them packing, they don't give two craps for you or your community. They are anti-american anarchist.

 

[Aglaopheme]

It’s a truly horrible, violent culture

https://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/dcc51624-2c29-11e5-8a26-9b7c05211164-780x476.jpg

https://obsessedwithsports.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/phillies-riot-more-car.jpg

https://sportz4life.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/newpic.jpg

This one is actually from two nights ago.

Umbrella Man was white

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/who-is-the-umbrella-man-who-started-damage-at-autozone

 

[IrezumiKiss]

False equivalence.

Oh, but it isn't.

You don't get to decide that a bunch of white people doing redface in order to loot and destroy property because their grievances over their citizenry go unheard is magically more noble and justified than when (mostly) Black (and other POC) Americans do it for the same reasons. It is in fact the exact same thing, but because your colonizing ancestors and/or skinfolk got first dibs on writing this country's history, we got to be indoctrinated from the ground up believing that some tea trashing thugs were the epitome of revolutionaries.

Now, to be fair, you don't actually give a fuck about these situations when they happen and they give you an easy platform in an online safe space to park pale pimpled ass and yap like you know everything with all the answers, but let's say for a Fantasy Island minute that you did give a fuck about these situations...then you'd actually go to other spaces where the people who are directly affected by the social circumstances that cause these situations to occur talk about them (which they've been doing for ages)...and then you would listen to them.

https://images2.imgbox.com/7a/2a/pBOztvxL_o.png

but we're not going to entertain that fantasy. You can go back to your gun range and visualize shooting "cockroaches" coming across the border illegally while waiting for your Friday Fed Friends breakfast club to resume get-togethers at Denny's without wearing blue surgical masks. There's no reason for you to stress over this, buddy. Just relax in the cushiony comfort bubble of your whiteness! If I were you, I would!

 

[SpeareChucker]

It’s a truly horrible, violent culture

...

This one is actually from two nights ago.

Umbrella Man was white

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/who-is-the-umbrella-man-who-started-damage-at-autozone

White Liberals gather to virtue-signal as if it were Colin Kaepernick Day...

There's a reason Minnesota so often goes to Democrats...

Know your rioters.