Why would anyone want to bomb IKEA?

[roxanne69]

Perhaps some leftist organisation not liking the eventual ties he has to Nazi organisations ?

It might not be Moslems.

As I said in my other post:
I've never met a good Nazi,I've met good Moslems. I judge from that.

Or is it that just because a few subscribing to something are idiots all are idiots ?

What other "left wing" organization is going to bomb Ikea? PETA?? NOW? There are many more political targets in Europe and Scandinavia (Finland) who are Nazi sympathizers than some obscure furniture guy to pick on. It just doesn't happen.

 

[busybody..]

A Pakistani branch of the Religion of Peace apparently bombed the home of the honorary consul of Macedonia in Karachi today. Presumably this was due to festering resentments over Alexander the Great's invasion of the Indian sub-continent in 329 BC.

 

[Pagliacci]

"They are doing hate crimes which include bombs etc. etc." Please elaborate on the etc. etc. When was the last time they murdered 2600 people in one shot? And what countries are they working in great number? Not mine. We have hate laws to discourage the distribution of their literature, or from them using the airwaves. There are how many Nazis all over the world? Is it hard to infiltrate them?
Yes there are moderate Muslims, of course there are. There are associations of moderate Muslims who try to work for peace. Unfortunately they are NOT the majority.

They are not the "enemy of the day", they have been the enemy since time began.

Resorting to personal attacks? Sorry, I dont play that game either. You may call me stupid or unevolved (not a word) for not expousing the same opinions you have but you discredit yourself and your point of view when you do that.

Hang on for a second.Is it the number killed in one fell swoop that matters how dangerous someone is ?
In my mind no,they've commited acts of terrorism for 50 years so I think they're just as,if not more,dangerous than the Moslems,only reason they haven't gotten more success is that securoty forces have been a thumb in their eye.Now the thumb is in the Moslem eye and they get a shot at strenghtening themselves.Not to mention they can use the "What have we been saying about the mud people" spiel which will work in some cases.

Yes Nazis exist all over the world this is a question you already knew the answer to I think.
The harder core of them would be hard to infiltrate,just as with any terrorist organisation.

You're seriously telling me that a majority of the worlds fastest growing religion is out to kill anyone that don't agree with them ?
If so I'd like to point out that if that was the case then I think there'd be more violence than there is in the Western world.Look at the figures how many Moslems there are in diferent countries,then ask yourself why there aren't daily riots,bombings and terrorism in all those countries.Or are all the governments covering it all up for the publics safety ?

For example.here in Sweden I think we got around 250000 Moslems and no terrorism commited by them.If they are such blood thirsty killers then why aren't they acting ? Or did Sweden get that minority that don't do terrorism ?
UK got a lot of Moslems,same thing there.
Germany got a lot of them,same thing yet again.
France got them,same thing.
I could go on and on but I think you see the pattern.Namely that there is a minority of Moslems that are terrorists and commit acts of terrorism.

Just like the KKK in their heyday.
Just like the IRA in their heyday.
Just like Baader-Meinhoff in theirs.
Rote Arme fraktion so on and so forth.

Enemy since time bgan ?
Please,the Islamic religion is younger than the Christian one and if we start to tally up historical body counts between religions and political views then Catholics would be above Moslems,so would the Nazis and the Communists.
So don't even go there,just because crackpots happen to kill 2600 persons,which is a great tragedy,those are small numbers if you compare it to lets say a day in Auschwitz or all those killed in the name of God (The Christian one) or Communist rule under Stalin.

Look at all the atrocities commited during history and you'll be startled.

I do apologise for the insult.It was unwarranted.

 

[Pagliacci]

What other "left wing" organization is going to bomb Ikea? PETA?? NOW? There are many more political targets in Europe and Scandinavia (Finland) who are Nazi sympathizers than some obscure furniture guy to pick on. It just doesn't happen.

There are tons of "professional" rioters/terrorists,coming mainly from Germany and Denmark.They are the ones that managed to create such mayhem during the IMF and EU meetings in Gothenburg,Barcelona,a place in Italy (I forget where,a rioter got shot that much I recall)

Terrorism is about making headlines and getting the spotlight on your cause,if Sven the Nazi sympathizer gets bombed no one gives a shit.If there's a bombing campaign on a chain of stores that span the world there'd be more impact.

For example,if Terrorists had blown the shit out of some place in Tel Aviv you don't care as much as if they fly into the WTC,with that you have to agree.

 

[roxanne69]

Hang on for a second.Is it the number killed in one fell swoop that matters how dangerous someone is ?
In my mind no,they've commited acts of terrorism for 50 years so I think they're just as,if not more,dangerous than the Moslems,only reason they haven't gotten more success is that securoty forces have been a thumb in their eye.Now the thumb is in the Moslem eye and they get a shot at strenghtening themselves.Not to mention they can use the "What have we been saying about the mud people" spiel which will work in some cases.

Yes Nazis exist all over the world this is a question you already knew the answer to I think.
The harder core of them would be hard to infiltrate,just as with any terrorist organisation.

You're seriously telling me that a majority of the worlds fastest growing religion is out to kill anyone that don't agree with them ?
If so I'd like to point out that if that was the case then I think there'd be more violence than there is in the Western world.Look at the figures how many Moslems there are in diferent countries,then ask yourself why there aren't daily riots,bombings and terrorism in all those countries.Or are all the governments covering it all up for the publics safety ?

For example.here in Sweden I think we got around 250000 Moslems and no terrorism commited by them.If they are such blood thirsty killers then why aren't they acting ? Or did Sweden get that minority that don't do terrorism ?
UK got a lot of Moslems,same thing there.
Germany got a lot of them,same thing yet again.
France got them,same thing.
I could go on and on but I think you see the pattern.Namely that there is a minority of Moslems that are terrorists and commit acts of terrorism.

Just like the KKK in their heyday.
Just like the IRA in their heyday.
Just like Baader-Meinhoff in theirs.
Rote Arme fraktion so on and so forth.

Enemy since time bgan ?
Please,the Islamic religion is younger than the Christian one and if we start to tally up historical body counts between religions and political views then Catholics would be above Moslems,so would the Nazis and the Communists.
So don't even go there,just because crackpots happen to kill 2600 persons,which is a great tragedy,those are small numbers if you compare it to lets say a day in Auschwitz or all those killed in the name of God (The Christian one) or Communist rule under Stalin.

Look at all the atrocities commited during history and you'll be startled.

I do apologise for the insult.It was unwarranted.

Before there was Christianity or Islam there were Arabs so I still stick to my historic claim of them being the enemy since time began. They have beent he most consistant as well.

So don't even go there,just because crackpots happen to kill 2600 persons,which is a great tragedy <snip>

Crackpots??? Very well organized and well funded crackpots who are capable and eager to commit such acts wherever they can. And they are patient, they have all the time in the world waiting for a breach in security somewhere. You know as well as I how many Western and Asian cities are harbouring sleeper cells as we speak. England has a Muslim leader who celebrated Sept. 11 and there is a movement there to have a Muslim homeland. How many synagogues are firebombed and spray painted by Muslims in France? More than the Nazis do it.

As I previously stated, I live in Canada and the city I live in has a population of 100,000 very vocal and well organized Muslims. We have had riots here (I live in the heart of the Muslim neighbourhood) where they have seriously damaged the University. They protest against Israel at least once a week. They hand out anti semitic (not just anti zionist) literature, I have seen them beat their wives in the street. I know they are not all like that but hell yes it is the majority.

 

[roxanne69]

There are tons of "professional" rioters/terrorists,coming mainly from Germany and Denmark.They are the ones that managed to create such mayhem during the IMF and EU meetings in Gothenburg,Barcelona,a place in Italy (I forget where,a rioter got shot that much I recall)

Terrorism is about making headlines and getting the spotlight on your cause,if Sven the Nazi sympathizer gets bombed no one gives a shit.If there's a bombing campaign on a chain of stores that span the world there'd be more impact.

For example,if Terrorists had blown the shit out of some place in Tel Aviv you don't care as much as if they fly into the WTC,with that you have to agree.

The professional rioters you are talking about are anti-globalization protesters. They only get violent when the police attack them and do not plant bombs (the protest they had here was very bad but they did nothing but fire teddy bears from a catapult. I personally do not support their cause and condemn the mayhem they cause but they are not violent people with a common vision to wipe out civilization.

Sven the Nazi sympathizer doesn't get bombed because no one feels that passionatley about his views and the ones who do care wouldn't resort to such tactics.

Yes I do care if terrorists blow the shit out of some place in Tel Aviv as much as I care about the WTC. Israel is the only free country in the middle east and is also a homeland to the Jewish people. I care that Muslim extremists killed Israeli athletes at the Olympic games, I care that Ahmed Rassam, the homicide bomber who got caught on his way to Los Angeles for New Years Eve 2000 lived on my street, less than a block away from me (on welfare!) and that the Muslims in my neighbourhood were not ashamed to call him a hero. I care that there are Islamic Hezboulah training camps in Ontario...

 

[Pagliacci]

Before there was Christianity or Islam there were Arabs so I still stick to my historic claim of them being the enemy since time began. They have beent he most consistant as well.

So don't even go there,just because crackpots happen to kill 2600 persons,which is a great tragedy <snip>

Crackpots??? Very well organized and well funded crackpots who are capable and eager to commit such acts wherever they can. And they are patient, they have all the time in the world waiting for a breach in security somewhere. You know as well as I how many Western and Asian cities are harbouring sleeper cells as we speak. England has a Muslim leader who celebrated Sept. 11 and there is a movement there to have a Muslim homeland. How many synagogues are firebombed and spray painted by Muslims in France? More than the Nazis do it.

As I previously stated, I live in Canada and the city I live in has a population of 100,000 very vocal and well organized Muslims. We have had riots here (I live in the heart of the Muslim neighbourhood) where they have seriously damaged the University. They protest against Israel at least once a week. They hand out anti semitic (not just anti zionist) literature, I have seen them beat their wives in the street. I know they are not all like that but hell yes it is the majority.

So it's a race issue with you ?

If so please just say yes or no.If yes then I'll drop this because then you're no better than anyone,no matter race or creed that think them above others and believe they have some sort of given right to exterminate "lower races" be they Jews,Arabs or whomever else you choose to point at.

 

[roxanne69]

Outrage as 'suicide bombers' hit Cape Town
By Elliott Sylvester, the Weekend Argus, 11/29/2002
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?
set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=
ct20021129214338612B5162757

The cynical use of two young boys dressed as suicide bombers with cardboard cut-out dynamite sticks strapped to their chests to lead a march in support of the Palestinian cause through the streets of Cape Town has sent shockwaves around the country.

The boys, wearing Hezbollah headbands and dressed in black, marched with military-style precision and were followed by eight others carrying cardboard AK-47s as they led a crowd of about 300 people from the Muir Street mosque in District Six to the United States consulate at the foreshore.

The march came just 24 hours after the mindless attack on the Israeli-run Paradise Mombasa Hotel in Kenya in which 15 people, including three suicide bombers, were killed. An Israeli passenger jet leaving Mombasa airport at the same time narrowly escaped a missile attack.

During Friday's march, the message from the children - between the ages of seven and 13 - leading the march was simple, but ominous: "Death to America, death to Israel," they shouted.

Earlier the marchers also shouted: "One American, one bullet." Later this changed to "One American tourist, one bullet" but the organisers then asked the marchers to stop chanting those words.

The march, which started shortly after 2.30pm, was organised by radical Muslim group Qibla to celebrate International Quds day, the day of the oppressed. Its aim is to show solidarity with Muslims living in Palestine under Israeli occupation.

The South African Jewish Board of Deputies slammed the depiction of children as suicide bombers, saying it was shameful that children should be used to further the aims of terrorists.

Former board chairman Mervyn Smith said he was shocked to hear that the march was led by children in military-style, dressed as suicide bombers, some also sporting mock weapons.

And, in an even more shocking display, the children staged a mock attack on a bakkie draped in sheets and painted to look like an Israeli tank. After tearing the sheets from the bakkie, the group, including two girls, ripped apart an Israeli flag before returning to their neat rows to continue the march with cardboard guns in hand.

"It is scandalous that murderous thugs should be portrayed as heroes to young children. The sense of values appears to have been totally lost," Smith said.

It was hard to believe that the people of Cape Town could still believe that violence was an answer to the conflict in the Middle East.

"The whole world, including the Palestinian authorities, condemns the notion of suicide bombers. Why, in Cape Town, should they still be admired?" Smith said.

"Children should not be taught to continue the violence which is already claiming so many lives."

But co-ordinator of the march and Qibla member Abdullah Ederies said the children were vital in driving home the message that Palestinians were sacrificing their bodies to fight Israel, "one of the most powerful regimes in the world".

"We need to open people's eyes to the murder happening in Palestine.

"Using these children is completely justified. The media only covers the suicide bombings and they never report on Israeli gunships gunning down innocent Muslim men, women and children. It's time the world sat up and took note.

"By putting the children in the march we were hoping this message would be clear."

Ederies said South Africa had endured the same evil and brutality under apartheid.

Imam Gassan Solomon, a member of the Imarat, a special council of senior Muslim Judicial Council members, said it was irresponsible to expose children in a march of this kind.

But the march and its message was merely a symptom of a bigger problem that needed to be recognised.

"This is a sensitive matter around the world. I cannot condemn the march and the action taken, because I did not see it for myself, but we need to look at the bigger picture and that is that as Muslims we are duty bound to condemn terrorism.

"As Muslims we first have to sit down and try to talk our way towards a peaceful settlement. The fact that people react like this should make us question what sort of lives we are living."

The march to the American consulate, which was guarded by policemen in riot gear, was otherwise peaceful and culminated in a memorandum being handed to a consular official.

The document demanded, among other things, that the US ceased its attack on Muslim countries under the anti-terrorism banner.

It further stated that South Africa needed to take a stand against the British and American condemnation of Iraq and that US president George Bush should stop threatening world peace.

At the consulate, an Israeli flag was hung on razor wire and set alight to chants of "Death to Israel, death to Sharon".

 

[Pagliacci]

Is it or is it not a race issue ?

Is a white man worth more than an Arab ?

 

[roxanne69]

So it's a race issue with you ?

If so please just say yes or no.If yes then I'll drop this because then you're no better than anyone,no matter race or creed that think them above others and believe they have some sort of given right to exterminate "lower races" be they Jews,Arabs or whomever else you choose to point at.

No it is not a race issue with me at all. Last time I looked, Muslims weren't a race, neither were Jews. I do not believe in exterminating any large group of people and have not advocated that here at all. I do not even believe in capital punishment. I am merely stating the facts of the situation where I live (in my neighbourhood.) Please do not put words in my mouth.

I am no better than anyone and I do not think that my race which is Caucasian is "lower" or "higher" than any other race. I believe we are all part of the HUMAN race.

 

[Pagliacci]

It's not a race issue ?
Then I wonder if you recognize this quote taken from you just a couple of posts above:

"Before there was Christianity or Islam there were Arabs so I still stick to my historic claim of them being the enemy since time began"

You claim that Arabs,which are a race, are the enemy and have been since time.

Since you propagate a unrelenting war against a race of people,wheter all of them are deserving or not you have a race war.

I am not putting words in your mouth merely asking you to clarify your own post,part of which is quoted above.

 

[roxanne69]

Who is an Arab?

"Arab" is a cultural and linguistic term. It refers to those who speak Arabic as their first language. Arabs are united by culture and by history. Arabs are not a race. Some have blue eyes and red hair; others are dark skinned; many are somewhere in between. Most Arabs are Muslims but there are also millions of Christian Arabs and thousands of Jewish Arabs, just as there are Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Americans so how can you say that it is a race issue????????????

 

[Pagliacci]

If it isn't a race issue how can you stand behind your words ?

I'll post them again,in bold this time:

"Before there was Christianity or Islam there were Arabs so I still stick to my historic claim of them being the enemy since time began"

You're faulty in that.Jews are a race,namely the Semitic one.Where they grew up et all doesn't change that fact.Another aspect to race is just that they share history,language and culture.

But if you don't want to split words over race then you still want to exterminate everyone who shares the arabic culture,history and language.All of course apart from "The minority" who are the minority then ?
Who makes the call on who we shouldn't kill.

Or perhaps we should "tame" them ?
Just like the white South Africans did with Apartheid,or slave owners no matter the nation in those days,or those holding overseas colonies subjugating the indigenious people of the nations they took over.

The Nazis checked that your blood was "pure" ten generations back for admittance to the SS,if you were found to be "impure of blood" then off to the camps.
Should we do the same with those coming from "culturally mixed" marriages all over the world to make it a better place ?

or just kill them,it'd be cheaper after all,not such a high cost of keeping them in camps,or out on the streets where they can contaminate those who share our greater culture and history.

 

[roxanne69]

If it isn't a race issue how can you stand behind your words ?

I'll post them again,in bold this time:

"Before there was Christianity or Islam there were Arabs so I still stick to my historic claim of them being the enemy since time began"

Arabs have been fighing Jews in the middle east since time began YES!!!! Imagine that, I still stand by this statement!!

{B]You're faulty in that.Jews are a race,namely the Semitic one.Where they grew up et all doesn't change that fact.Another aspect to race is just that they share history,language and culture.

Jews are NOT a race. Jewish people are not homogenous. Judaism is a RELIGION. There is NO other aspect to race than RACE!!! Jews do not share a common language at all. As stated in my last post, there are Arab Jews, Asiatic Jews, etc. Jews are not all Semites either so don't get all excited.

But if you don't want to split words over race then you still want to exterminate everyone who shares the arabic culture,history and language.All of course apart from "The minority" who are the minority then ?
Who makes the call on who we shouldn't kill.

Wild accusations on your part. I have stated repeatedly in this thread that I do not want to "exterminate" anyone and do not even believe in capital punishment.
I do not advocate the murder of anyone and never have. You are again putting words in my mouth.

Or perhaps we should "tame" them ?

Just like the white South Africans did with Apartheid,or slave owners no matter the nation in those days,or those holding overseas colonies subjugating the indigenious people of the nations they took over.

*yawn* Tame who? Where? Apples and oranges. South Africa has nothing to do with this debate at all and the situation is not even remotely similar. Next!

The Nazis checked that your blood was "pure" ten generations back for admittance to the SS,if you were found to be "impure of blood" then off to the camps.
Should we do the same with those coming from "culturally mixed" marriages all over the world to make it a better place ?[B}

Aren't we all culturally mixed????? I believe the more culturally mixed we are, the better it is. There are less fanatics and natioanlists that way.
Again, apples and oranges. Nazis checked your genealogy tree of course. There was no actual blood test as that is impossible.

or just kill them,it'd be cheaper after all,not such a high cost of keeping them in camps,or out on the streets where they can contaminate those who share our greater culture and history.

Who's greater culture? and why are you comparing Nazism to dealing with worldwide Muslim terrorist attacks?
Look I understand you are embarrassed to have been caught without the facts as to race etc. I know it is killing you not to insult me again and it is obvious that you are just making wild accusations. I have clarified my opinions here. I am not going to spend 10 more pages defending things you think I MAY be thinking. I am not going to argue for the sake of hearing myself argue, sorry.

Thanks for playing. Maybe next time you will come to the table with your facts straight.

sorry, editing for bold

 

[Pagliacci]

Parting words. The Diaspora.

Ask any jew what that was,then check some history books.

 

[peachykeen]

Re: Re: Roxy

Hey did you notice Peachy left after she insulted me? No rebuttal...just jab and run. Pity... [/B]

Darling...don't strain any muscles reaching round to pat yourself on the back for your self-percieved cleverness. It was after midnight here at that time, and I went to bed. It's not like there was anything here worth staying up for.

But hey, thanks for defending my most definitely not fat or saggy ass.