Why We Are Fighting

[clit_licker30]

Has anyone forgotten why the War On Terror is being fought.

 

[Problem Child]

Yeah, because the buildings got knocked down.

Now explain why we're going into Iraq. Make it believable this time.

 

[HeavyStick]

I heard two Al Qaeda were holed up near the Northern No-Fly Zone.



I'm not in favor of going into Iraq.

 

[clit_licker30]

Because Sadamn has flaunted the UN resolution he signed in 1991 to disarm. And he wants to duplicate this scene as often as he can.

 

[greybeard]

I heard two Al Qaeda were holed up near the Northern No-Fly Zone.



I'm not in favor of going into Iraq.

and even that they got wrong...............

greybeard

 

[Problem Child]

Because Sadamn has flaunted the UN resolution he signed in 1991 to disarm. And he wants to duplicate this scene as often as he can.

And...Madame Cleo gives you this insight into the mind of Saddam Hussein? I'm a little confused. Sorry.

 

[HeavyStick]

CL.

There is a war on terrorism that is a seperate issue from Iraq.

Al Qaeda = terrorist

Iraq = unaccounted for WMD

Yes the terrorists were very efficient in what they did. but that is not WMD.

I don't understand how you tie the two so closely together.

 

[clit_licker30]

And...Madame Cleo gives you this insight into the mind of Saddam Hussein? I'm a little confused. Sorry.

Well do you wanna bet on the game Sunday? Does that confuse you?

 

[clit_licker30]

CL.

There is a war on terrorism that is a seperate issue from Iraq.

Al Qaeda = terrorist

Iraq = unaccounted for WMD

Yes the terrorists were very efficient in what they did. but that is not WMD.

I don't understand how you tie the two so closely together.

Sadamn builds the nukes, terrorist get nukes from Sadamn. Terrorist smuggle nukes to a city near you.

Sadamn has not honored the treaty he signed with the UN after Gulf War 1.

Sadamn is in material breach for having an active nuke program.

 

[Problem Child]

Well do you wanna bet on the game Sunday? Does that confuse you?

Interesting change of direction. No, and no.

 

[miles]

I still don't think we'll go to war with them.

There is no doubt in my mind they have WMD's, but nobody is going to find them. The only way to disarm Iraq is to remove Saddam.

Somebody waste the motherfucker already.

 

[clit_licker30]

I still don't think we'll go to war with them.

There is no doubt in my mind they have WMD's, but nobody is going to find them. The only way to disarm Iraq is to remove Saddam.

Somebody waste the motherfucker already.

Amen

 

[QuickDuck]

I still don't think we'll go to war with them.

There is no doubt in my mind they have WMD's, but nobody is going to find them. The only way to disarm Iraq is to remove Saddam.

Somebody waste the motherfucker already.

Miles, i hope not.

I agree they probably have WMD's but they have had 4 (?) years to hide them so i doubt they will be found.

The problem with the US going to war without the UN backing is that under international law, it would be illegal and in theory GWB could be charged with war crimes.....

Is it just me or does it now make sense why he would not support the war crimes tribunal?

Personally, he should take out those who have already made attempts on his life and bomb all the pretzel factories

 

[HeavyStick]

1Sadamn builds the nukes, terrorist get nukes from Sadamn. Terrorist smuggle nukes to a city near you.

2Sadamn has not honored the treaty he signed with the UN after Gulf War 1.

3Sadamn is in material breach for having an active nuke program.

1. sure

2. True

3. true/false. He's in breach of WMD.

 

[woody54]

...... and nobody has mentioned OIL yet???

 

[patient1]

Sadamn builds the nukes, terrorist get nukes from Sadamn. Terrorist smuggle nukes to a city near you.

Sadamn has not honored the treaty he signed with the UN after Gulf War 1.

Sadamn is in material breach for having an active nuke program.

Nuclear weapons of mass destruction are best used for bargaining leverage, not for actual use,( that would bring retaliation.)

Look how well it's working in North Korea . We aren't even threatening to go in there, we're offering aid.

If Sadam is breaking a UN treaty, then what's to be done about it is entirely up to the UN, isn't it?

 

[QuickDuck]

...... and nobody has mentioned OIL yet???

thats just an added bennifit

 

[QuickDuck]

If Sadam is breaking a UN treaty, then what's to be done about it is entirely up to the UN, isn't it?

good point.... i hadn;t thought of that

 

[Lost Cause]

Wha...

The US can engage at any time, any threat to it's security, without any nod from the UN! This isn't an encounter group, this is life or death to thousands of people. Try not to throw out some lie, and state it as fact. The whole notion that the UN is more than a global wealth redistribution facility is flawed. The UN has gotten more than 5 billion dollars from Iraq in the oil for food program, do you think they want that honey to dry up? After securing Iraq, there will be no need for sanctions, no oil for food program, no money for the UN. Follow the cash.

 

[miles]

Look for one of the Arab states to do the dirty work and either take him into exile or terminate him.

The last thing they want is a huge US military presence there.

 

[woody54]

Looking at this from a non US perspective, is Bush not hypocritical.

He has WMD , lots of them, at his disposal. And he is crazy enough to use them to prove a point.
Saddam may well have a small stockpile, but damn, those Inspectors just cant find the dirt on him.
Bush is desperate to punish someone for Sept. 11 and Saddam is the tall poppy and also he's a blight on the Bush family history, unfinished business that needs fixing for Dad.

...... not that Saddam doesn't deserve a cap in his ass but lets do it for the right reasons.

 

[woody54]

Re: Wha...

The US can engage at any time, any threat to it's security, without any nod from the UN! This isn't an encounter group, this is life or death to thousands of people.

Yes, I can see it now. Pearl Harbour all over again as Saddams Airforce sweeps in from behind a big cloud and bombs New York.

Get real people, a sweaty bunch of Iraqi towelheads pose no real threat to your country other than they are thumbing their noses at your superior force and you want to kick the shit out of them for disrespecting America

 

[Liontamr]

Sadamn builds the nukes, terrorist get nukes from Sadamn. Terrorist smuggle nukes to a city near you.

Tom Clancy is way ahead of you..

 

[Lost Cause]

You are a wealth of ignorance....

If you can read more than a few lines, below is the text of the U.N. Security Council resolution on Iraq that was unanimously approved.

Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its president,

Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,

Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized member states to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programs to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programs, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,

Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the council's repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,

Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA, is essential for the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions,

Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the minister for foreign affairs of Iraq addressed to the secretary-general is a necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq's continued failure to comply with relevant council resolutions,

Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the executive chairman of UNMOVIC and the director general of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the government of Iraq laying out the practical arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure by the government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements as laid out in that letter,

Reaffirming the commitment of all member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighboring states,

Commending the secretary-general and the members of the League of Arab States and its secretary-general for their efforts in this regard,

Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);

2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the council;

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programs to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programs, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

4. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations and will be reported to the council for assessment in accordance with paragraph 11 and 12 below;

5. Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC's or the IAEA's choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the council 60 days thereafter;

6. Endorses the 8 October 2002 letter from the executive chairman of UNMOVIC and the director general of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the government of Iraq, which is annexed hereto, and decides that the contents of the letter shall be binding upon Iraq;

7. Decides further that, in view of the prolonged interruption by Iraq of the presence of UNMOVIC and the IAEA and in order for them to accomplish the tasks set forth in this resolution and all previous relevant resolutions and notwithstanding prior understandings, the council hereby establishes the following revised or additional authorities, which shall be binding upon Iraq, to facilitate their work in Iraq:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall determine the composition of their inspection teams and ensure that these teams are composed of the most qualified and experienced experts available;

All UNMOVIC and IAEA personnel shall enjoy the privileges and immunities provided in the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations and the Agreement on the Privileges and Immunities of the IAEA;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to presidential sites equal to that at other sites, notwithstanding the provisions of resolution 1154 (1998);

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programs and the associated research, development, and production facilities;

Security of UNMOVIC and IAEA facilities shall be ensured by sufficient U.N. security guards:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to declare for the purposes of freezing a site to be inspected, exclusion zones, including surrounding areas and transit corridors, in which Iraq will suspend ground and aerial movement so that nothing is changed in or taken out of a site being inspected;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed and rotary winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right at their sole discretion verifiably to remove, destroy, or render harmless all prohibited weapons, subsystems, components, records, materials, and other related items, and the right to impound or close any facilities or equipment for the production thereof; and

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to free import and use of equipment or materials for inspections and to seize and export any equipment, materials, or documents taken during inspections, without search of UNMOVIC or IAEA personnel or official or personal baggage;

8. Decides further that Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against any representative or personnel of the United Nations or of any member state taking action to uphold any council resolution;

9. Requests the secretary-general immediately to notify Iraq of this resolution, which is binding on Iraq; demands that Iraq confirm within seven days of that notification its intention to comply fully with this resolution; and demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively with UNMOVIC and the IAEA;

10. Requests all member states to give full support to UNMOVIC and the IAEA in the discharge of their mandates, including by providing any information related to prohibited programs or other aspects of their mandates; including on Iraqi attempts since 1998 to acquire prohibited items, and by recommending sites to be inspected, persons to be interviewed, conditions of such interviews, and data to be collected, the results of which shall be reported to the council by UNMOVIC and the IAEA;

11. Directs the executive chairman of UNMOVIC and the director general of the IAEA to report immediately to the council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations, including its obligations regarding inspections under this resolution;

12. Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;

13. Recalls, in that context, that the council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations.

*The burden of proof is on Iraq to convince us they have complied, bombing starts in 1 month.

 

[clit_licker30]

Lost Cause

Are you gonna screw up a good argument with facts?

Thanks for the post.