Why the Gals Love the fanfic!

[SEVERUSMAX]

If I buy a tabloid, it's because something stikes me as funny and I want to use it as a writing prompt!

Celebrity magazines are only purchased if they have a good photo of someone I find sexy.

My interest in the average celebrity's life, loves, hopes, dreams, etc. is ZERO. They don't know me, I will never really know them, and aside from fuel for my fantasies, they don't interest me beyond their entertainment value. Sometimes their tabloid trials are good for a joke, but mostly I find something else to do.

Ah, that's good to hear. Tabloids can't be trusted, after all.

 

[Guest]

Ah, that's good to hear. Tabloids can't be trusted, after all.

I remember a tabloid front page from back when the First president Bush was in office. It showed him surf fishing -- with his two "invisible" secret service agents (the tabloid had found "special camera equipment" that would detect the buggers). You could tell they were invisible because all you could see were two fishing poles just suspended in the air. Inside, the tabloid's "special camera equipment" drew a dotted outline of each "invisible agent".

I bought it, but my dad tossed it later. I wish I had it -- classic SF stuff there! Better than the BatBoy ever was.

 

[Aurora Black]

The article was spot on.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I remember a tabloid front page from back when the First president Bush was in office. It showed him surf fishing -- with his two "invisible" secret service agents (the tabloid had found "special camera equipment" that would detect the buggers). You could tell they were invisible because all you could see were two fishing poles just suspended in the air. Inside, the tabloid's "special camera equipment" drew a dotted outline of each "invisible agent".

I bought it, but my dad tossed it later. I wish I had it -- classic SF stuff there! Better than the BatBoy ever was.

Those are the best!
I had one that showed Amelia Erhardt living happily on a South Sea Island. You could tell it was her, because of her leather flight helmet...

 

[Guest]

Ya know, there are so many fandoms and different kinds of fanfic. Some are just horrible for me to contemplate, but to others they are THE thing.

Which leads me to an interesting thought. What fanfics do you think will NEVER be seen? Or you never, ever, EVER hope to see?

I'm thinking Liberace fanfiction would be a big ol' skip...

 

[Aurora Black]

Which leads me to an interesting thought. What fanfics do you think will NEVER be seen? Or you never, ever, EVER hope to see?

Manos: The Hands of Fate.

 

[Guest]

Oh, and as a reference -- here's the search return on "Star Trek Slash Fiction" in Yahoo..

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=St...Search&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8

Yahoo even has a DIRECTORY LISTING for this.

 

[gauchecritic]

Here's a thought.

Take two givens:

Women like back story before sex. Their porn is "intellectual".

Women make love rather than have sex. (feelings for partner etc)

(obviously guys are the opposite)

Are these things two sides of the same coin?

I realise that this is stereotyping with whitewash using a tar-brush but on the basis that these are 'common knowledge';

Do women like to know the characters who they read about having sex because they are hard-wired to find the person they have sex with attractive?

Are guys happy to have sex with anything in a skirt because all they need is pictures?

Do our sexual mores circumscribe our porn?

Edited to add: anyone even attempting to make any kind of humourous remark about the word circumscribe will have their Lit ID liquidated.

 

[Guest]

Here's a thought.

Take two givens:

Women like back story before sex. Their porn is "intellectual".

Women make love rather than have sex. (feelings for partner etc)

(obviously guys are the opposite)

Are these things two sides of the same coin?

I realise that this is stereotyping with whitewash using a tar-brush but on the basis that these are 'common knowledge';

Do women like to know the characters who they read about having sex because they are hard-wired to find the person they have sex with attractive?

Are guys happy to have sex with anything in a skirt because all they need is pictures?

Do our sexual mores circumscribe our porn?

Edited to add: anyone even attempting to make any kind of humourous remark about the word circumscribe will have their Lit ID liquidated.

Not me! I shan't even use the "C" word.

I'd have a hard time answering because I've read and liked a variety of porn/erotica and the one constant is I have to give a damn -- about the characters, usually, since erotica almost always involves people/characters. I have to WANT to see them get what they want (or not get, as the case may be). Even if it is a direct stroke story, I gotta care enough to bother reading. Stereo-instruction sex description bores me spitless. I can imagine that on my own -- my imagination is a fertile field. If I spend time reading, I want a STORY.

Why this is, I dunno. Maybe I'm hardwired that way, or maybe years of careful conditioning made me that way.

I will say that I don't have to think the characters care about EACH OTHER. The only criteria is I care, either about the character or what's happening or how this is all going to come about. If I don't care, I can always find something better to do.

I don't think I got anywhere near your question, either.

 

[gauchecritic]

I don't think I got anywhere near your question, either.

No you didn't, but that's ok because I saw your name on CVIV's list.

 

[Guest]

No you didn't, but that's ok because I saw your name on CVIV's list.

I've had too much vodka tonight...CVIV? Are we talking roman numerals here, in which case I'd have to look it up because not only can't I read, I can't count either.

 

[3113]

Still haven't seen that movie...

Wanted to let you know that I finally did watch Brokeback...and it's very hard to tell you this, Stella...as I know how strongly you feel about stories that do this. How immoral and wrong they are. But you really need to know upfront, before you see it (taking in a deep breath)...the sex scene....

No lube. Not even sheep dip

 

[Guest]

Wanted to let you know that I finally did see this film...and it's very hard to tell you this, Stella...as I know how strongly you feel about stories that do this. How immoral and wrong they are. But you really need to know upfront, before you see it (taking in a deep breath)...the sex scene....

No lube. Not even sheep dip

EW! EW! EW!

 

[FallingToFly]

Wanted to let you know that I finally did watch Brokeback...and it's very hard to tell you this, Stella...as I know how strongly you feel about stories that do this. How immoral and wrong they are. But you really need to know upfront, before you see it (taking in a deep breath)...the sex scene....

No lube. Not even sheep dip

All I can say to that is....

Well, you know how those cowboys are...

Rough riders.

 

[Stella_Omega]

EW! EW! EW!

EW! EW! EW!

Now fanfic is going to be wrote about fanfic-quality fiction...
Oh, I shake my head, I really do.

I went to pick up my son and some of his friends from their sleepover last night. They were all cuddled up on the sofa, watching Brokeback. (boys and girls, by the way) They said it was kind of a bummer story.

 

[Guest]

EW! EW! EW!

Now fanfic is going to be wrote about fanfic-quality fiction...
Oh, I shake my head, I really do.

I went to pick up my son and some of his friends from their sleepover last night. They were all cuddled up on the sofa, watching Brokeback. (boys and girls, by the way) They said it was kind of a bummer story.

"Kind of a bummer"

Well, that pretty much sums it up. I don't actually want to see it -- I don't need a movie to make me cry, I cry all by myself -- but ABG wants to. We waited to watch it at home so there would be enough kleenex and no one would have to wipe their nose on the popcorn bucket.

 

[3113]

I went to pick up my son and some of his friends from their sleepover last night. They were all cuddled up on the sofa, watching Brokeback. (boys and girls, by the way) They said it was kind of a bummer story.

They are SO going to get the wrong idea! You must set them straight (er...metaphorically speaking that is!) about lubing up!

Mr. Banana says, "Keep your pole greased up good!" The butt will have more fun that way.

 

[Stella_Omega]

They are SO going to get the wrong idea! You must set them straight (er...metaphorically speaking that is!) about lubing up!

Mr. Banana says, "Keep your pole greased up good!" The butt will have more fun that way.

Sex education reaches an all-time low...

 

[3113]

Sex education reaches an all-time low...

Hey! Mr. Banana can teach kids a lot!

Like this one:
Mr. Banana says, "Remember to use a condom, kids! No banana likes to visit those dark, wet places naked!"


See? Come on folks. Let's show Stella what other things Mr. Banana can teach the kiddies about having a good, safe time!

 

[Aurora Black]

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Mr. Banana could also teach the kids this useful tidbit:

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Potassium also regulates water balance and assists recuperative powers. Potassium aids rheumatic or arthritic conditions (causing acids to leave the joints and ease stiffness). Potassium is crucial for the elimination of wastes. Potassium is a natural pain desensitizer. Potassium helps control convulsions, headaches and migraines, promotes faster healing of cuts, bruises and other injuries and generally contributes to a sense of well being.

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[Guest]

More Stuff About Fan Fiction

I toured Wikipedia's entry on Fan Fiction and the assorted issues/acceptance of various authors. It's fascinating reading. This part, in particular, caught my attention (for reasons obvious to a few people here).

According to current U.S. copyright, copyright owners have the right to control or restrict the publishing of "derivative works" based on their material, though they do not receive ownership of those works. The owner of the original work (film, TV show, etc.) therefore may have some legal power over fan fiction, though the laws as written do not address the issue directly.

Since American copyright law specifically protects parody, and also includes a provision that the specifically protected categories are not necessarily the only protected categories, fan fiction remains in a legal gray area. But even without an official ruling on the legality of fan fiction, the owners of intellectual property can exert a great deal of influence on fans. For instance, a cease and desist letter from an entity with deep pockets exerts a great deal of influence on a single person who can scarcely afford legal representation. Conversely, the bad publicity and ill will generated by attacking one's own fan base can give even a large corporation second thoughts about conducting a legal campaign against fan writers....

Anne Rice also aggressively prevents any fan fiction of any of her characters (mostly those from her famous Interview with the Vampire book) or anything to do with any of her books. Similar efforts have also been taken by George R. R. Martin, author of the famous Song of Ice and Fire series, among other fantasy and science fiction novels. Many authors do this, they claim, in order to protect their intellectual copyright and prevent any dilution, saturation and distortion of the universes and people portrayed in their works. A few of their disillusioned (and embittered) fans have alleged possible jealousy and/or self righteousness.

I'm waiting for my cease and desist letter for my fan fiction If that is the case, of course I will comply -- that is, I won't make it public here. It won't stop me from writing it or sharing it with friends.

The Slash timeline at the end of the article is also interesting reading.

 

[Guest]

Feh, the various Fan Fic threads are hard to find and the Search function makes the baby Cthulu laugh....

Fan Fiction has hit the BIG TIME -- sorta.

NPR ran a story tonight (4/27/6) on All Things Considered where Lev Grossman compared Kaavya Viswanathan (Harvard Novelist/Plagiarist) with Melissa Jareo (Star Wars Fan Fiction writer and copyright infringer). In it, he says they are BOTH plagiarists, but then went on to praise fan fiction for what it was.

To Blur Plagiarism's Lines, Look to Star Wars

The audio portion should be available after 7:30 pm ET.

Yes, I sent in a comment bristling a bit at the plagiarism tag and I don't think the comparison is fair or equal, but the commentary was still quite interesting.

 

[Guest]