Why tariffs?

[SgtSpiderMan]

He cannot combine the two issues because he cannot handle two concepts at the same time. For instance, you never see him with McDonald's and Kentucky Fried Chicken together at the same table. That would be too mind-boggling for his sixth-grade thought processor to handle.

Wrong. Here’s a picture of Trump in front of a table with food from McDonald’s and Wendy’s.

 

[dmallord]

Wrong. Here’s a picture of Trump in front of a table with food from McDonald’s and Wendy’s. View attachment 2443836

AI... Look at the six fingers on his hands and that look on his face. Every MAGA knows it's against the law to have McDonalds and Wendy's on the same table!

And if it is real, then it's plain to see he is having a breakdown just looking at the table.

And... what's up with the Harry Potter guys waving the flaming swords?

 

[MajorRewrite]

Wrong. Here’s a picture of Trump in front of a table with food from McDonald’s and Wendy’s. View attachment 2443836

Donnie the Clod may be the only person in the world who thinks McDonald’s is great cuisine.

He’s making that face because he’s taking a dump in his diaper.

 

[JohnEngelman]

What Trump's white working-class base wants is to bring back the time in America -- roughly from WWII to the mid-1970s -- when it was possible for a white man at least, with only a high-school education to earn a middle-class income.

Of course, the reason that was possible was that labor unions were so strong, then.

Trump never talks about bringing back unions, either.

Moreover, the top tax rate never got below 70%, and was often much higher.

Beginning with the Reagan administration the GOP has mastered the art of winning the support of lower income whites while trashing their economic interests. Those lower income whites should have learned by now, but these are guys who couldn't finish high school.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Wrong. Here’s a picture of Trump in front of a table with food from McDonald’s and Wendy’s. View attachment 2443836

I suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. I can't stand the sight of that ogre. I can't stand the sound of his voice. From what I have read, Trump's smell is offensive too, especially right after he soils his diapers.

 

[graysilver]

Trump is a deal maker. He’s a ‘I must win you must lose’ business broker. That’s why he’s so litigious. He loves the word tariff (says it’s the most beautiful word in the dictionary) because it’s a hammer. His POV on a global economy is its a ‘zero sum game.’ That’s not ‘free enterprise.’ Free enterprise thrives on you and me winning together. I buy your goods and you buy my goods because we both benefit. Because Grumo is a deal maker he wants to MAGA - at the expense of other nations. We ought to be MABA - Make America Better Again. We win, they win - they win, we win.

Tariffs are regressive and inflationary. Conservative economics is all about ‘free trade.’ It’s been a bedrock plank in conservative politics and economics forever. Trump doesn’t believe in ‘free trade.’

History and economists (credible) know and understand that the biggest failure of the Hoover administration (he lost his economic conservation mind over tariffs - shame on him) was the imposition of world-wide tariffs. It deepened and prolonged the Great Deppression.

Trump doesn’t care about the national debt - he’s made billions on super leverage if debt. (He never talks about getting our rising national debt under control.) Caring not about our national debt and using tariffs as an economic, fiscal club is a very dangerous combination. His China tariff in his first term triggered the beginning of our inflation. (I sat in a board room in 2019 when executive management significantly raised prices on out finished goods in order to deal with rising cost of raw materials.) This will happen, again.

Trumps believes that every country will ‘back down’ with the threat of or imposition of severe tariffs. They may or may not - it remains to be seen. However, there will be ‘tariff damage.’ Get ready for another wave of inflation!

 

[JohnEngelman]

Trumps believes that every country will ‘back down’ with the threat of or imposition of severe tariffs. They may or may not - it remains to be seen. However, there will be ‘tariff damage.’ Get ready for another wave of inflation!

Trump is said to have won because most of the voters blamed Biden and Harris for the inflation and the bad state of the economy.

Trump's tariffs will cause worse inflation. His efforts to cut two trillion dollars from the federal budget, while cutting taxes for the rich, will cause far more economic pain than the American people experienced under Biden and Harris.

 

[UltraChad]

Moreover, the top tax rate never got below 70%, and was often much higher.

Beginning with the Reagan administration the GOP has mastered the art of winning the support of lower income whites while trashing their economic interests.

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

Especially considering the only alternative is effectively slavery to the (D) elitist so they can keep being a bunch of professional fart sniffers who look down their noses at everyone while being totally incompetent to the extent they can't live without the nanny state protecting them.

 

[JohnEngelman]

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

I am talking about low income whites. Most of them - let's face it - have less intelligence than you probably have. They do not benefit from tax cuts for the rich. They benefit from strong labor unions, a high minimum wage, and a well financed public sector of the economy that is paid for with high taxes on the well to do.

 

[Politruk]

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

Tariffs won't help with that, quite the reverse.

 

[Politruk]

Trumps believes that every country will ‘back down’ with the threat of or imposition of severe tariffs.

What does that even mean? What would constitute backing down?

 

[Bray123]

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

Especially considering the only alternative is effectively slavery to the (D) elitist so they can keep being a bunch of professional fart sniffers who look down their noses at everyone while being totally incompetent to the extent they can't live without the nanny state protecting them.

Is there any Trump lie that you don't believe?

 

[graysilver]

What does that even mean? What would constitute backing down?

What does that even mean? What would constitute backing down?

This article will provide that answer.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ok-donald-trump-for-someone-completely-normal

 

[UltraChad]

Tariffs won't help with that, quite the reverse.

If you're going to deflect from the question you can't answer, at least try to be right.

It will, because consumption taxes aren't property taxes. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

 

[UltraChad]

Is there any Trump lie that you don't believe?

Is there any question you can answer directly or do you worm about with all of them??

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

 

[Politruk]

If you're going to deflect from the question you can't answer, at least try to be right.

It will, because consumption taxes aren't property taxes. HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!

Tariffs will not help you keep more of you money, or expand the markets you can sell in, quite the reverse.

 

[UltraChad]

Tariffs will not help you keep more of you money, or expand the markets you can sell in, quite the reverse.

Of course they will, you're backwards as a communist ever was.

Now back to the question I actually asked before you sperged out on "ORANGE MAN BAD COMMUNISM GOOD!!" .

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

 

[Politruk]

Of course they will, you're backwards as a communist ever was.

Tariffs will raise the prices of whatever you buy. And they will contract the markets you can sell in because other countries will retaliate with their own tariffs -- that's how a trade war works.

 

[UltraChad]

Tariffs will raise the prices of whatever you buy. And they will contract the markets you can sell in because other countries will retaliate with their own tariffs -- that's how a trade war works.

That's significantly less than taking 1/2 my labor and charging me rent to keep property that's allegedly mine.

Back to the question I asked and you are doing everything you can to avoid answering.

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

 

[Politruk]

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

Because you will be worse off without the public goods taxes pay for, and you won't save enough in taxes to compensate.

Just look around you -- nobody in the American working class is ever any better off because RW economic policies are enacted -- their real incomes have been stagnant or declining since 1980.

 

[UltraChad]

Because you will be worse off without the public goods taxes pay for, and you won't save enough in taxes to compensate.

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What public goods??

Well since I would be compensating for nothing and just

Just look around you -- nobody in the American working class is any better off because RW economic policies are enacted

What RW economic policies?? A minor tax cut every now and then is the only RW economics we've gotten in DECADES.

We've gone wildly left over the last 50 years.

-- their real incomes have been stagnant or declining since 1980.

That's not because of RW policy.

If anything it's a demonstration of the governments failure to manage the economy. Something it shouldn't be doing and needs to be fuckin' FIRED from doing because it SUCKS at it.

 

[Politruk]

What RW economic policies?? We've gone wildly left.

We've been moving steadily rightward ever since 1980, even during Dem administrations. Tax cuts, welfare reform, deregulation, labor unions marginalized -- anything the corporate sector wants done, gets done. And that is why incomes have stagnated or declined for the majority.

 

[UltraChad]

We've been moving steadily rightward ever since 1980,

DELUSIONAL!!!

. Tax cuts,

That's it.
That's all you've got.

welfare reform,

Has blown welfare spending to ASTRO-FUCKIN-NOMICAL levels.

deregulation,

Hasn't ever happened. The alphabet agencies and regulations have only been bloated and pumped up more and more and more over the years.

labor unions marginalized

Naturally occurring consequences of flooding the labor market. That's not a right wing policy, if anything the feminism and pro-immigration policies that are primarily responsible for it are LEFTY policies.

-- anything the corporate sector wants done, gets done.

Nothing right wing about that.

And that is why incomes have stagnated or declined for the majority.

Yes, a bunch of (D)umb leftist policy has negatively effected the US economy.

YOu guys hate the economy and do all you can to corrupt/destruct it. This is the result of that attitude that YOU have demonstrated so often here.

 

[Bray123]

Is there any question you can answer directly or do you worm about with all of them??

How is keeping more of my money/labor/property and having more access to the markets to sell my productivity on, trashing my economic interest exactly??

I don't recall you ever asking me a question, not even a silly one like that.

If you want to keep your money, fine. You can build your own roads to drive along so you don't need to use those damn socialist roads. Establish your own fire brigade, your own police, your own military, your own space agency...

You can even fund your own pension and health service so that you and Derpy don't use the commie versions that us lefties contribute to.

 

[MajorRewrite]

I don't recall you ever asking me a question, not even a silly one like that.

If you want to keep your money, fine. You can build your own roads to drive along so you don't need to use those damn socialist roads. Establish your own fire brigade, your own police, your own military, your own space agency...

… airports, seaports, schools, stormwater drains, water and sewer systems …