Why so many cuckhold stories?

[sr71plt]

What is the deal with demanding a warning? Isn't this a porn site where almost anything goes? How can you be offended?

Agreed. Those who require such babysitting, I think, shouldn't be reading here at all. Time for them to grow up and take care of themselves by just clicking out of what they don't want to read and go read something else and save the "I want it all tailored for my delicate sensitivities" whining for "never."

 

[Cruel2BKind]

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Please ace don't now start up with this nakedsub person. All of the forum world suffered as you and the comic girl chased each other from thread to thread day after day.It was brutal! Which is why I finally stepped in and took him off your plate. But now you're at it again! Ignore him! Please...

Just leave him to me. I'll get him to start a scouries thread and keep him busy and out of your way.

Be nice...​

I had no idea...

This whole time I've been 'ace's' alt, and I never knew who ace was.

Now I'm extra insulted.

 

[sr71plt]

Now I'm extra insulted.

Not as insulted as I was when he originally claimed the link, I assure you. (since you want to go there)

 

[nakdsub]

Let me ask...

Agreed. Those who require such babysitting, I think, shouldn't be reading here at all. Time for them to grow up and take care of themselves by just clicking out of what they don't want to read and go read something else and save the "I want it all tailored for my delicate sensitivities" whining for "never."

Are you telling me, If a woman feels non-consent stories that deal with humiliating women is demeaning and degrading to women in general she should have to read those stories anyway because this is an erotica site? Why then have categories at all. Let's just lump everything into erotica and say either read everything and don't whine, or don't read anything at all.

I like stories of cheating wives whether they reconcile or not. I also like REAL "loving wife" stories, but I feel willing cuckold stories are demeaning, not only to me, but to men in general and don't wish to read them. I believe that should be my prerogative. I don't see what is the big deal about simply being courteous to your reader with a simple, "willing cuckold" label at the top of a story.

It seems to be such a big deal to some and I don't understand. Even with a free, erotic story site, I should still be able to pick and chose what I want or do not want to read.

 

[sr71plt]

No, dummy, I'm telling you that an adult would just stop reading what he/she doesn't like reading and move on to something she/he does want to read.

Are you telling me that you have some sort of vigilante responsibility to make everyone write only what you want to read? (pot/kettle )

 

[nakdsub]

No stupid...

Maybe if you took the time to actually read what I wrote instead of letting your gigantic balloon head feed your unbelievable ego, even you, with your tiny, little brain would understand...

Oh never mind, it is like trying to reason with an infant...

 

[sr71plt]

Are you telling me, If a woman feels non-consent stories that deal with humiliating women is demeaning and degrading to women in general she should have to read those stories anyway because this is an erotica site?

This is exactly what you wrote--and exactly what I responded to.

You're going to have to be in a snit all by yourself, because I'm not interested.

That you would propose that anyone here was forced to read any story posted here just because it's posted here just shows that you have your head up your ass and are looking for a silly fight.

 

[nakdsub]

I guess I have to repeat myself...

Since you seem to be too ignorant to understand what I said the first time...

Trying to impress a little common sense on you, is like trying to reason with an infant. I could keep going but it is an exercise in futility and complete waste of my time.

I suggest you go back to doing what you enjoy most, looking into a mirror and telling yourself how important you are.

 

[sr71plt]

OK, genius, I'm game. Parse this statement by you and tell me that it doesn't predicate your argument on the reader being forced to read a story here.

Are you telling me, If a woman feels non-consent stories that deal with humiliating women is demeaning and degrading to women in general she should have to read those stories anyway because this is an erotica site?

Come on, hotshot. I'm salivating to see your explanation.

The whole point is that no one has to read anything here--and that the site is open to a broad range of tastes in writing and reading. You (and some others) just don't seem to be intelligent enough to get that through your pea-sized brains.

And, no, I'm not buying you going off on your irrelevant tangent.

 

[nakdsub]

Once again...

I have expressed my views on this subject many times and in several ways on this, as well as other threads. Doing it again is simply beating a dead horse. Labeling a story is simply showing the reader some COURTESY, of course, like other people who believe their shit don’t stink, you have no concept of the term and it is not my job to explain it to you. You will never allow the possibility that someone other than yourself could have a valid opinion because that would be admitting that not everyone needs you to tell them what to say, what to do, and how to do it, and you’re not man enough to admit that.

So, once again, go stand in front of your full length mirror and keep telling yourself over and over, “I am important,” and you’ll have one of us convinced of such.

 

[PennLady]

Are you telling me, If a woman feels non-consent stories that deal with humiliating women is demeaning and degrading to women in general she should have to read those stories anyway because this is an erotica site? Why then have categories at all. Let's just lump everything into erotica and say either read everything and don't whine, or don't read anything at all.

No one's saying that anyone "should have to" read anything they don't want to. Most of the stories here are titled and tagged and in categories that let us all make at least a rough decision on which stories we may like and which we may not. But no one has to read anything. It's like TV -- if you start watching a show and don't like it, you can turn it off or change the channel. On here, if a story turns out to go in a direction you don't like, you can click back and read something else.

I like stories of cheating wives whether they reconcile or not. I also like REAL "loving wife" stories, but I feel willing cuckold stories are demeaning, not only to me, but to men in general and don't wish to read them. I believe that should be my prerogative. I don't see what is the big deal about simply being courteous to your reader with a simple, "willing cuckold" label at the top of a story.

It seems to be such a big deal to some and I don't understand. Even with a free, erotic story site, I should still be able to pick and chose what I want or do not want to read.

What it seems to come down to is that you'd like these stories more clearly labeled and unfortunately Lit doesn't have a great tool for that. The author does not have to put any labels on their stories at all. I'd bet most think it's pretty clear what the story's about, if only b/c they wrote it and hence are close (too close?) to it to see any other interpretation.

I understand your dislike of these stories -- I dislike any stories with cheating at all, for the most part (I can let it go under certain circumstances). However, I don't expect the authors to label something "cheating spouses." Hopefully, I get it from the title and/or tagline. Otherwise, I just click off when I realize it's not what I want.

It is a free site and you'll just have to take your risks. I understand being disappointed at not knowing until the end of a story about the elements you don't like but -- you roll the dice (or click the mouse) and take your chances.

 

[estragon]

Or, in the immortal words of Forrest Gump, "Lit is like a box o' chocolates--ya never know what you're gonna get".

 

[mgablea]

Still trying to understand your complaint

“Encarta Dictionary:
Cuckold (noun) man whose wife is unfaithful, a husband whose wife has been unfaithful to him”

If you like “cheating wife” stories then you like cuckold stories, whether you want to admit it or not. Likewise the tag line to “Loving Wives Tales of adventurous married women….” Clearly identifies this as the section to post cheating wife stories. These stories do not belong in the fetish section.

Playing off the example of a woman not liking rape stories, would she have a complaint if she went to the non-consensual section and found a rape story? No, by definition, rape stories would be in the non-consensual area. Right?

 

[nakdsub]

Okay, one more time...

Yes, for the stories that already are labeled clearly with descriptive titles or tags, I have no problem at all.

I guess for the benefit of all, some people here I do like, I will go through this one more time.
The LW category is ambiguous.. There are actually 4 different genres wrapped up in one.
1.) A true LW who does something special for hubby.
2.) A cheating wife who is discovered and either forgiven or not by the end of the story
3.) A wife who takes pride in humiliating her husband by taking a lover and rubbing hubby’s nose in it.
4.) The wife who has a husband who revels in the knowledge his wife has lover/s and gets off watching them.

I happen to enjoy reading the first two categories, but find the last two offensive. Okay? Do we have that clear now?

Now let me make an analogy. What if someone enjoyed read romance but found incest story objectionable, yet those incest stories were included in romance. You started to read a story you felt was pretty good. You got through all the physical descriptions of everyone, what everyone was wearing, their backgrounds and history. You’re now on the second page and you start to enjoy the love affair shared by the two main characters. You read on to the 3rd page, get almost to the end of the story before finding out they are brother and sister. At this point you stop reading and go to the next story. There you find another story and again, get through all the usual descriptive BS and you’re now on the second page before it is revealed the two main characters are father and daughter. Now you’ve just wasted 20 or 30 minutes that you could have used to find a story that you actually enjoyed reading all the way through.
It would have been so nice had the author simply said, “incest story.”

This happens ALL THE TIME in LW. I have read as many as 3 stories in one day that started out as a pretty good story only to be blindsided at the end or ¾ through. It is for those, AND ONLY FOR THOSE, authors that I say, Please label your story better.

No one is saying anyone was forced to read stories they didn’t want to. I’m saying people wind up reading stories they would have passed by because the story was not clearly marked as to what kind of story it was. If you don’t believe me, read some of the comments left below those kind of stories.

 

[sr71plt]

No one is saying anyone was forced to read stories they didn’t want to.

Well, yes, YOU did state that as a premise (which I have quoted a couple of times above and see no need to quote it again) in setting up a false position from which to attack me.

 

[RyeandGingerAyle]

Much ado about nothing

One poster here whose main concern in life seems to be about his precious time being wasted has spent unimaginable amounts of time complaining about how unjust it is that his time is wasted because he can't seem to spot a story he might not like before wasting his time reading a story he doesn't like.

At least that poster has revealed who leaves all those complaints on stories he finds mis-labelled as Loving Wives.

My opinion is that in a free forum such as this, authors don't owe readers a damn thing. They're donating a creative effort for free, often at the expense of receiving abusive and cruel responses from ungrateful and freeloading readers.

 

[nakdsub]

wrong oh mighty ruler...

If you had bothered to read what I said in its entirety, instead of taking a few words out of context, you would see that, once again, you are wrong. My position, as it has always been, is clearly stated in my last post.

And it was not me who attacked you. All I did was to express my opinion that authors should clearly label theirs stories when you ganged up with scouries in attacking me. I believe I have as much right to express myself on this forum as anyone else and certainly will not be censored by some loud-mouthed, chest beating, self-appointed, jackass spouting hell and damnation to anyone who does not agree with him.

 

[nakdsub]

Sorry...

But when I leave comments I do so under my ID. I do not hide behind mama's skirt like scouries and the rest of the anonymous croud, so if you want to see the my comments, all you have to do is look.

 

[sr71plt]

The anything but subtle attempt to pair me with Scouries just don't got wings, nak. Your sour grapes don't resonate with me either--nor does trying to be mealymouthed about what you have posted.

Be an adult in reading here. It's set up to accommodate a wide range of writer/reader interests. Take responsibility for yourself. Look at the categories, titles, blurbs, key words carefully if you are one of such delicate sensibilities but still want to read porn, as you are indicating you are. Then, if something pops up in your read of a story that threatens to send you to the hospital, just stop reading, go have whatever vapors you have to have in private, and then try out another story when you come back. Don't expect a full-service babysitting service on a broad-based erotica story website. This isn't really the venue for a pantywaist looking for spoonfeeding.

 

[PennLady]

Now let me make an analogy. What if someone enjoyed read romance but found incest story objectionable, yet those incest stories were included in romance. You started to read a story you felt was pretty good. You got through all the physical descriptions of everyone, what everyone was wearing, their backgrounds and history.

Now you’ve just wasted 20 or 30 minutes that you could have used to find a story that you actually enjoyed reading all the way through.

It would have been so nice had the author simply said, “incest story.”

I get what you're saying but it's not quite the same. LW, for better or worse, covers the four areas that you outlined. (A site I used to post on labeled their similar category "Slut Wives," and I guess any actual loving wives stories went into Romance.) Romance covers a much narrower range, and incest is completely different. And in truth, speaking for me personally, if something like that happened, I'd move along and not say anything. I just wouldn't care. I'd wonder why it was miscategorized (b/c I'd think it should have been in incest) but -- no big deal.

As for wasting the time -- well, it happens. I chose to keep reading and that was the end of it. Like I said, it's a roll of the dice.

This happens ALL THE TIME in LW. I have read as many as 3 stories in one day that started out as a pretty good story only to be blindsided at the end or ¾ through. It is for those, AND ONLY FOR THOSE, authors that I say, Please label your story better.

But they don't have to, and most of them won't. And with that in mind, I'd say you need to cool down and perhaps skim the stories before your read them.

No one is saying anyone was forced to read stories they didn’t want to. I’m saying people wind up reading stories they would have passed by because the story was not clearly marked as to what kind of story it was. If you don’t believe me, read some of the comments left below those kind of stories.

The LW trolls aren't, I don't think, commenting on the quality of material most of the time. They just like to act righteously indignant. If they are so offended, why do they keep reading?

As for people reading what they might have passed by -- again, you take your chances. I once read a book about a kid who went blind and at one point a teacher told him, the world isn't going to pad its corners for you. Neither, I'd say, will Lit or those who write about willing cuckolds.

 

[ThinkerLover]

The anything but subtle attempt to pair me with Scouries just don't got wings, nak. Your sour grapes don't resonate with me either--nor does trying to be mealymouthed about what you have posted.

Be an adult in reading here. It's set up to accommodate a wide range of writer/reader interests. Take responsibility for yourself. Look at the categories, titles, blurbs, key words carefully if you are one of such delicate sensibilities but still want to read porn, as you are indicating you are. Then, if something pops up in your read of a story that threatens to send you to the hospital, just stop reading, go have whatever vapors you have to have in private, and then try out another story when you come back. Don't expect a full-service babysitting service on a broad-based erotica story website. This isn't really the venue for a pantywaist looking for spoonfeeding.

Jesus H. Christ impaled on a pole, sr71!

Normally I see your posts and ignore them, but somebody has to say it - DO YOU EVER POST SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE? In any forum? I have never seen a post from you that wasn't some high-horse effort to cock-strangle someone. I don't know how someone as published as you can be so obviously repressed that they have to scapegoat readers and posters on here. You obviously have nothing to do all fucking day, would it kill you to take one post a day where you compliment someone on their work , provide constructive feedback or encouragement?

I know you defend the site as "no one forces anyone else to read it", but who the god-loving fuck forces you to opine on every goddamned thing?

 

[sr71plt]

Normally I see your posts and ignore them, but somebody has to say it - DO YOU EVER POST SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE?

Why, yes I think I do. And I think I have here. And if your preface your remarks by saying you usually ignore my postings, then you really have no grounds to characterize them, do you?

When all else fails, try common sense.

 

[lazyhobo]

Tired...

When all else fails, try common sense.

Awesome line.
I got here, I read, I so regretted it afterwards.
I started reading this, expecting a nice, warm discussion about the topic, as forum topics should be, and by the end of it, I found myself in the middle of an argument between two guys.

Just a few things I felt like mentioning.

nakdsub;
You have a point, It is annoying to start a story, only to be disappointed by the end of it because of one detail. That's not the authors fault, its not the websites fault, its simply bad luck.
Sure, you could say the website Could do it, and Should do it, but until they do we don't see the improvement.

As far as sr71plt Goes, ever heard the phrase "When you get knocked off a horse, dust yourself off and get back on"? Well it applies to what he's saying, If you end up on a story you didn't enjoy, dust off and try again, and keep trying till you find a good one. Believe me, if you come to a forum to complain about something, you're generally in for a good waste of time arguing.

As far as the tags and cats go, Yes they Can be helpful, but Yes, they can also be unhelpful. For example, a BDSM Romance story between two siblings is three separate categories, they can only generally have one in display, and tags are generally unreliable. My best advice, is simply, as others have said, Skim the work, look at a page or two just for anything you may not like, or see what other stories the author has written. For example, if you're about to read a romance, but you looked at the authors other stories, and saw say, 25 "Incest/Taboo" stories, you may become apprehensive.

Finally, if you get too annoyed and ragey at this issue on this -FREE- website, I can only say that you might want to consider moving to another website, because this website is doubtful to change anytime soon.

Some people aren't fans of BDSM either, you know, or of mind games and domination. Or humiliation. And of course, just as the fiction can be more appealing than reality to those who have the fantasy, it can also be more revolting than reality to those who don't have the fantasy. An example: from the little I've dipped my toes into reading stories in the BDSM category, it didn't seem like consent and aftercare feature much in the stories there. Frankly, it seemed like they were just particularly brutal NonConsent stories with added doses of kidnapping, Stockhholm Syndrome, and physical disfigurement. Now I may not know much about BDSM in real life or understand its appeal to the people who do it, but I do know consent and aftercare both figure prominently in realityBDSM. That's why BDSM stories bother me in a way that BDSM in real life doesn't.

This reminds me of a Manga (Graphic Novel) I once read, about a BDSM (Softcore, no sex) relationship between two teens, guy and a girl. First off, the receiver was willing, though that didnt mean she knew what she was getting into and was forced into certain things.

Secondly, it was also caring, the Dom was a caring master, But, he never once allowed his partner to know how much care he put into it, because once the slave finds out, it becomes less of a risk, less of a thrill. An example, any BDSM S/M that involved say, walking outside in certain clothing or attire, the master may in fact, have planned the path way before hand, checking good times to do it, careful locations, and escape routes in an emergency, but if the Reader or the Slave ever realise this, you lose that sense of urgency, the fear and excitement of getting caught.

Now not all stories are like this, but remember, part of the feeling is Forcefulness and humiliation, even if the Master is caring, he shows it, and we lose part of our enjoyment to it.


- Finally, as far as moving tags to the front page, a good reason why tags and comments are at the end, is to avoid any spoilers, If you want the information bad enough before reading, go to the last page, its not hard, but to those of us that are content with the basic category, and are interested in seeing how it all plays out, we may not appreciate a big ol' tag in our face the moment we enter, possibly spoiling part of the story / play before we get there.

 

[mgablea]

To each his own

I appreciate the replies to my questions and your somewhat respectful answers. I am coming late to this discussion so I need help in catching up.

So the subject matter that is acceptable in Loving Wives is really not ambiguous at all but has fairly well been defined and it includes the willing cuckold genre.
So it comes down to a matter of taste. I do not like the deceitful cheating wife stories. To me, they are too true to life. Every day I hear about this happening to a friend or acquaintance and the resultant destruction of their lives and the lives of their children.

That being said, would it be fair for me to ask for a warning that this story is about a wife cheating on her husband without his knowledge? No, it is not fair and it should not be expected. This kind of story clearly fits into the Loving Wives category.

Likewise, I do not like it when a cuckold story turns gay; it’s just not my thing. Again, however, I feel we just have to accept the story the way the author has written it and either finish the story or stop reading and move on. Fortunately, with Loving Wives approaching the 20,000 story mark there is plenty of everything for us to read.

My interest in pornography is strictly about the fantasy. Never would I ever want to experience the things I have written about. If I did the fantasy would be destroyed.

I like the concept of the willing cuckold because everyone is on board. As the premise goes, is it cheating if the husband gives his permission?
Finally, to each his own.

 

[sensualwhispers]

opinion

Okay im going to poke my toe into this discussion and throw my opinion with it.
Maybe some cuckold stories are in loving wives because thats how the husbands in the stories view them. If the writer is male and he writes the story it is obviously his fantasy and he catagorises his wife as loving if she has sex with another man. If that makes sense.
I can sort of understand the original post and in some respects agree with it. I find the incest/taboo section not to my liking and i never view any of the stories in it. Therefore if you know that a particular catagory has the type of story in it that you object to, then its obvious you dont go in to it. But this may only come to light after you have read the full story. If the story is well written though does it really matter that the ending is not to your liking. Or are you only here to get off. Surely the name of the sight is LitEROTICA not LitPORN, and there is more than sex in erotica.Or do i digress with that vein.
I also agree that there should be an added section for cheating wives/husbands then there would be no confusion. But if a story as other elements in it then maybe the author is unsure as to which it should go into.