Why Porn? Why Not Erotica? Why Erotica? Why Not Porn?

[SusanJillParker]

Why Porn? Why Not Erotica? Why Erotica? Why Not Porn?

There's a broad, black line drawn down the new story board when readers admit to what they prefer to read. Some like reading porn while others prefer erotica. Too often, with one never reading the other, readers seemingly never change their preferences.

Sex is sex, isn't it? Especially, when you're wicked horny, isn't all sex good?

"She was old, fat, and ugly but I fucked her anyway. It wasn't my fault. I was horny and she happened to be there. Sorry, Mom."

Just as I've read some good porn, I'd read some good erotica. There's no secret that I prefer erotica and seldom write porn. Yet, porn readers have the habit of down voting erotic stories because there's no sex in the first word, the first sentence, the first paragraph, or even the first page.

Why bother reading it and why down vote it? Just read something else. Why must an erotic writer be penalized for writing erotica? Isn't this Literotica and not Literpornography?

Just as I've never down voted a pornography writer for writing pornography, I've had plenty of porn writers down vote my stories because I write erotica.

"Where's the sex? I gave you a 1 vote because there was no sex, just implied sex. You could have told your 10,000 word story in just one sentence when she finally sucks his cock. Your story sucks and you suck as a writer."

Someone please enlighten me.

 

[Sonatatre]

I think that you are a very talented writer, and I think you have a lot of fans of your style, but most readers are probably here to fill their own needs, wanting orgasmic bliss, and for some the sex in a story is needed to take them over the edge.

I imagine that you are already one of the most popular writers on this site, so you should not change your style, just because some do not like the lack of graphic sex. Their anger is probably even more so a testament to your skill. They liked reading it, getting worked up over it, just could not find their own climax within it. So in their world they probably wasted their porn time reading something that increased their horniness.

Personally I try to always add long sex scenes in the story, that hopefully will leave most people satisfied. To a lot of readers, I know that will be the center of the story, while I personally put most of my effort into the plot and character, because I feel that they are what makes the story unique.

The readers on this site sometimes penalize certain writers. The Loving Women section maybe most of all. We can question why, blame it on people being spoiled and only caring about what they want or like, but no matter the reason, I think we just need to live with it. They will not change, and I do not think you should change to try and please them, just because they are loud and obnoxious, because if you do, those who truly love your current style might be disappointed. They might not speak up about it, but they will certainly miss it.

From the comments I get, I can tell that everyone reads a story differently. Sometimes I get negative comments, or people who just call it a stroke story, but every now and then there comes people who read it, loved it, and understood it. Someone who talks about the plot and how much they loved it, how they enjoyed the main character or some other character. Someone who noted a lot of the stupid things you entered in the story, thinking no one would notice or care, but it feels so good when somebody did.

Instead of all the bad stuff, I like to focus on those people. Those who put value to your words, and make you want to write more and more.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I have no idea how to write pure stroke, but some of my stories get people off (so they tell me) so I must be doing something right for them.

There's a place for every kind of writing here. I like to think I write erotica, but it might just be nostalgia porn, who knows. If it's written the right way readers will come....

 

[SusanJillParker]

Whether it's written erotically or pornographically, the biggest story draw, by far, are mother and son incest stories, especially if the incest in the story is plausible erotically or has lots of sex pornographically.

I don't understand why there are so many mother and son readers but there are. Nearly all of my incest stories that I've written are 200K to 600K in hits with one with nearly 2 million hits.

I had two stories in 2007 when I wrote as BostonFictionWriter, one a mother-in-law story with 850K hits after only 2 months on the board and a sister-in-law story with 650K hits again after only 2 months on the board. Stupidly, I pulled them to publish them as e-Books. I can't even imagine how many hits they would have had 10 years later. I'm not sure why but I think there were more readers back then, too.

Whenever I post an incest story, I receive anywhere from 100 to 300 e-mails for 2 days and I answer all those that aren't nasty. Just for the fun of it, I've answered some of the nasty ones too.

Base on why readers enjoy reading vampire stories, I used to have a theory that, as if being bitten by a pedophile instead of a vampire was the reason for such a draw to incest.

My opinion, of course, but those who have a history of sexual abuse enjoy reading incest stories, especially mother and son incest stories and that's okay. Base on my own atrocious background, being that I had a history of being sexual abused, I enjoy writing incest stories. Yet, it's one thing to read about your peccadilloes in a story but quite another thing to act out your proclivities in real life.

"David, what are you doing? You're naked. Put on your clothes."

Gwen looked at her 20-year-old son horrified. Then, she stared down at his erect penis with as much horror as she stared at her naked son with sexual excitement.

"Happy Valentine's Day Mother. I thought we could celebrate the holiday in bed."

David was already undressing his mother with his eyes. Not hard to imagine his mother naked, she was only wearing a short, sheer, low-cut, sexy nightgown. He could not only see the shape and the size of her C cup breasts but also the impressions her nipples made along with her dark patch of pubic hair. As if she was already naked, David imagined that she was.

"Okay," said Gwen, "I'll have sex with you but I'm on top and you must change and wash the bedding afterwards."

 

[SusanJillParker]

Even though I've written numerous stories in nearly every category, I write a lot of incest stories, especially mother and son incest stories. Those stories generate the most attention, by far.

What amazes me is that even though there is a huge audience for mother and son incest stories on this site, few readers will comment or even vote. Yeah, sure I've had tens of thousands of votes and hundreds of comments to my mother and son incest stories but when compared to the tens of millions of hits, votes and comments pale in comparison to reads.

Votes and comments always pale in comparison to reads but even more so with incest stories, especially mother and son incest stories. I suspect those who read those stories are embarrassed, ashamed, or feel perverted by their incestuous, lustful desires to have forbidden sex with their own mothers. To me, it's just a story, something to write because I must write what I need to write. Writing is my therapy.

Sometimes I receive more PM's and e-mails than I receive comments but that's okay. It's always nice to meet another fan and make another friend.

I wonder if I enjoy writing mother and son incest stories because of my personal background of sexual abuse. I'd need years of therapy to figure that out, I suppose.

My Mom was beautiful and is still very good looking for her age, she's in her 70's now. She worked as a stripper and a prostitute. Hooked on drugs and alcohol, especially alcohol, she had sex with her four adult sons before I was even born. She's been clean and sober now for years. Yet, I suspect that one of my brothers, don't know which, as we all look so much alike, is my father which would explain my lunacy (lol).

I've been watching Game of Thrones again. Cersei Lannister had sex with her brother Jamie and bore him three 3 children, the first son becomes King Joffrey. King Robert thought they were his children. He had no idea his wife, the Queen, was sleeping with her brother.

Incestuous sex was even more prevalent back then, with brothers sleeping with sisters and fathers sleeping with daughters. Even though there has always been mother and son sex, mother and son sex is a more recent phenomena, I dare write.

I'm writing this because I suspect I'll receive lots more e-mails and will make lots more friends.

If anyone has had sex with my mother, please comment (lol). I suspect some of you may have intimately known her. Her name is Debbie and, even now, she always looked 10 years younger than her age. She's 5'10", a natural blonde with big tits and blue eyes. She dyed her hair shoe polish black to get out of town without her bookie and pimp knowing.

 

[txgent101]

I Confess...

..to reading stories and leaving no comments or stars, etc. Now that I am writing stories on my own, I realize how important feedback is. So, SJP, I will start giving feedback. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[SusanJillParker]

..to reading stories and leaving no comments or stars, etc. Now that I am writing stories on my own, I realize how important feedback is. So, SJP, I will start giving feedback. Thanks for the reminder.

I'm always amazed by the fact of how so very few readers vote. Typically for every 200 people who open the story, the writer can expect to receive one vote, one lousy vote, that's 1/2 or 1 percent. Moreover, chances are that the vote they receive is a bashing 1 vote.

Now I understand that everyone who opens the story doesn't read the story but that voting statistic is pretty dismal nonetheless. Admittedly, I've had some stories that have received 2, 5, 10 percent votes to hits but those are rare.

If only readers would think of voting as applause or as tipping, we'd all receive more votes. Surely, they'd applaud for a singer or a dancer so why not applaud for a writer. Surely, they'd never of think not tipping someone for giving them service so why not tip us for giving them free stories by giving us a vote?

Is supporting the writer with their vote too much to ask the reader on a free site? Are we expecting too much of them to expect them to vote for what they read for free? Is it not enough that we write for free to entertain the readers?

I can't tell you how many readers have told me that they didn't know that they could vote or that they don't know how to vote? Seriously? Are you kidding me? Duh?

Sad but true, the only non-readers who vote every time are the bashers. They don't even read the story. They just scroll down to the last page of the story and are happy to give the writer a bashing 1 vote for our hard work.

Perhaps, as I suspect, readers fear voting because they believe that their votes can be traced back to them. I don't know. I have no idea. Perhaps they can.

"What's your alibi?"

"I was home at the time of the crime. You can tell that by my voting on Literotica."

Perhaps they don't want their wives, husband, girlfriends, boyfriends, or significant others to know that they're reading porn/erotica.

"Honey? What the Hell is this? Did you vote for a story, Sniffing my Mom's Dirty Panties? Eww!"

 

[SusanJillParker]

Whether you're a reader or a hack of a writer like we all are, whenever you read a pornographic or erotic story, after you read the story, we want you to get up out your chair. Yes, yes, we don't care if you're in your underwear or naked. So what? Who cares? Trust us no one cares what you look like naked. You're fat and ugly with small penises or saggy breasts.

Now, we want you to go to your window and open it. Yes, we know it's cold outside but trust me. Open it! Open your damn window. Now stick your head out of your window and voice your outrage. This is what we want you to say.

"We're tired of readers not voting for my stories. We're sick and tired of it and we're not putting up with it anymore! We don't have to tell you things are bad with voting. Everyone knows that things are bad with voting. No one votes anymore. Even the Russians are tampering with our votes. People are depressed. No one has any money. Crime is rampant and everyone including your mother has a gun. The air is unfit to breathe, the food unfit to eat, and the waters are polluted. We all know that things are bad with voting, worse than bad which is why we write and why you read our pornographic and erotic stories and who the Hell knows why you don't vote.

We sit alone in our houses cowering as the world gets smaller and we all say, "Please leave me alone to read my pornographic or erotic story. Let me have my computer, my masturbating gel, my dirty magazines, my pornographic movies, my blow up dolls, my whips, my chains, my sexy underwear, my vibrator, my dildo, and my tissue. That's all that I want in the world. That's all that I need in the world to make me happy and sexually satisfied. That's all that's important to me now that I'm old, tired, and mad as Hell. Just leave me the fuck alone to masturbate myself."

Yet, we're not going to leave you alone. You're not getting off that easy. After you read your pornographic or erotic story, we want you to whip your cum from your finger and depress the number 5 button to vote for the story that you just read for free. How dare you not vote for our stories after it has taken us hours to create, develop, write, read, edit, rewrite, reread, and reedit over and again until we're sick and tired or reading our own damn story. How dare you? Who do you think you are?

Now that we've said our piece, we're still not going to leave you alone until you vote. Vote! Just vote damn you! We want you to get mad! We want you to get angry! We want you to realize that you didn't vote for our stories and that you need to vote for our stories. Vote! Just vote! Vote for our stories. We wrote them for you. Now vote for the fucking stories.

As writers, we're mad as Hell and we're not going to take it anymore. Vote for our stories. Now! Do it! Do it now. Go! Just go. Just do it! Get out of your chair, get off your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, or significant other and vote. Vote! Take your finger and vote. Think 5 when you vote. 5, not 4, not 3, not 2, never 1, but 5!

No matter which story you read vote. No matter how good, average, or bad the story, if you read the story, vote for the story. Voting is all that all we ask of you. We ask for your vote. Your vote is our applause. Your vote is our pat on the back or slap on the ass. Your vote is the tip to the free entertainment we gave you...for free. Your vote is important to us. We need to know what you thought of our story that we wrote with you expressly in our minds. Forget about commenting on our stories, I'll address that later. For now, just vote. Vote! Vote!

Now go out there and not only vote but also support your favorite authors by clicking on the favorite author link that appears at the end of any of our stories. We'll be checking on you. If you don't vote, we'll be back to flatten your tires. We'll be back to write stories about us having sex with your fat wives, your ugly husbands, your MILF's mothers, your horny sisters, your perverted fathers, your stupid brothers, your sexy mothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, brothers-in-law, fathers-in-laws, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandmothers and grandfathers.

Admittedly, we'll write those stories anyway, even if you don't vote but you owe us a vote. If you don't vote...we'll take your dog. We will. We swear we will. We'd take your cat but we don't like cats only pussies. Sorry.

Now, do it now. Go to your computer and vote. Vote. Repeat after us.

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

Say it!

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

That's better. That's more like it. Have a nice day. We'll be back to check on you. Don't leave town...without voting.

 

[txgent101]

Whether you're a reader or a hack of a writer like we all are, whenever you read a pornographic or erotic story, after you read the story, we want you to get up out your chair. Yes, yes, we don't care if you're in your underwear or naked. So what? Who cares? Trust us no one cares what you look like naked. You're fat and ugly with small penises or saggy breasts.

Now, we want you to go to your window and open it. Yes, we know it's cold outside but trust me. Open it! Open your damn window. Now stick your head out of your window and voice your outrage. This is what we want you to say.

"We're tired of readers not voting for my stories. We're sick and tired of it and we're not putting up with it anymore! We don't have to tell you things are bad with voting. Everyone knows that things are bad with voting. No one votes anymore. Even the Russians are tampering with our votes. People are depressed. No one has any money. Crime is rampant and everyone including your mother has a gun. The air is unfit to breathe, the food unfit to eat, and the waters are polluted. We all know that things are bad with voting, worse than bad which is why we write and why you read our pornographic and erotic stories and who the Hell knows why you don't vote.

We sit alone in our houses cowering as the world gets smaller and we all say, "Please leave me alone to read my pornographic or erotic story. Let me have my computer, my masturbating gel, my dirty magazines, my pornographic movies, my blow up dolls, my whips, my chains, my sexy underwear, my vibrator, my dildo, and my tissue. That's all that I want in the world. That's all that I need in the world to make me happy and sexually satisfied. That's all that's important to me now that I'm old, tired, and mad as Hell. Just leave me the fuck alone to masturbate myself."

Yet, we're not going to leave you alone. You're not getting off that easy. After you read your pornographic or erotic story, we want you to whip your cum from your finger and depress the number 5 button to vote for the story that you just read for free. How dare you not vote for our stories after it has taken us hours to create, develop, write, read, edit, rewrite, reread, and reedit over and again until we're sick and tired or reading our own damn story. How dare you? Who do you think you are?

Now that we've said our piece, we're still not going to leave you alone until you vote. Vote! Just vote damn you! We want you to get mad! We want you to get angry! We want you to realize that you didn't vote for our stories and that you need to vote for our stories. Vote! Just vote! Vote for our stories. We wrote them for you. Now vote for the fucking stories.

As writers, we're mad as Hell and we're not going to take it anymore. Vote for our stories. Now! Do it! Do it now. Go! Just go. Just do it! Get out of your chair, get off your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, or significant other and vote. Vote! Take your finger and vote. Think 5 when you vote. 5, not 4, not 3, not 2, never 1, but 5!

No matter which story you read vote. No matter how good, average, or bad the story, if you read the story, vote for the story. Voting is all that all we ask of you. We ask for your vote. Your vote is our applause. Your vote is our pat on the back or slap on the ass. Your vote is the tip to the free entertainment we gave you...for free. Your vote is important to us. We need to know what you thought of our story that we wrote with you expressly in our minds. Forget about commenting on our stories, I'll address that later. For now, just vote. Vote! Vote!

Now go out there and not only vote but also support your favorite authors by clicking on the favorite author link that appears at the end of any of our stories. We'll be checking on you. If you don't vote, we'll be back to flatten your tires. We'll be back to write stories about us having sex with your fat wives, your ugly husbands, your MILF's mothers, your horny sisters, your perverted fathers, your stupid brothers, your sexy mothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, brothers-in-law, fathers-in-laws, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandmothers and grandfathers.

Admittedly, we'll write those stories anyway, even if you don't vote but you owe us a vote. If you don't vote...we'll take your dog. We will. We swear we will. We'd take your cat but we don't like cats only pussies. Sorry.

Now, do it now. Go to your computer and vote. Vote. Repeat after us.

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

Say it!

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

That's better. That's more like it. Have a nice day. We'll be back to check on you. Don't leave town...without voting.

OK. No problem. Will do. Promise. Swear. No skipping. Deal.

p.s. I don't have a dog, just don't take my golf clubs, ok?

 

[SimonDoom]

Whether you're a reader or a hack of a writer like we all are, whenever you read a pornographic or erotic story, after you read the story, we want you to get up out your chair. Yes, yes, we don't care if you're in your underwear or naked. So what? Who cares? Trust us no one cares what you look like naked. You're fat and ugly with small penises or saggy breasts.

Now, we want you to go to your window and open it. Yes, we know it's cold outside but trust me. Open it! Open your damn window. Now stick your head out of your window and voice your outrage. This is what we want you to say.

"We're tired of readers not voting for my stories. We're sick and tired of it and we're not putting up with it anymore! We don't have to tell you things are bad with voting. Everyone knows that things are bad with voting. No one votes anymore. Even the Russians are tampering with our votes. People are depressed. No one has any money. Crime is rampant and everyone including your mother has a gun. The air is unfit to breathe, the food unfit to eat, and the waters are polluted. We all know that things are bad with voting, worse than bad which is why we write and why you read our pornographic and erotic stories and who the Hell knows why you don't vote.

We sit alone in our houses cowering as the world gets smaller and we all say, "Please leave me alone to read my pornographic or erotic story. Let me have my computer, my masturbating gel, my dirty magazines, my pornographic movies, my blow up dolls, my whips, my chains, my sexy underwear, my vibrator, my dildo, and my tissue. That's all that I want in the world. That's all that I need in the world to make me happy and sexually satisfied. That's all that's important to me now that I'm old, tired, and mad as Hell. Just leave me the fuck alone to masturbate myself."

Yet, we're not going to leave you alone. You're not getting off that easy. After you read your pornographic or erotic story, we want you to whip your cum from your finger and depress the number 5 button to vote for the story that you just read for free. How dare you not vote for our stories after it has taken us hours to create, develop, write, read, edit, rewrite, reread, and reedit over and again until we're sick and tired or reading our own damn story. How dare you? Who do you think you are?

Now that we've said our piece, we're still not going to leave you alone until you vote. Vote! Just vote damn you! We want you to get mad! We want you to get angry! We want you to realize that you didn't vote for our stories and that you need to vote for our stories. Vote! Just vote! Vote for our stories. We wrote them for you. Now vote for the fucking stories.

As writers, we're mad as Hell and we're not going to take it anymore. Vote for our stories. Now! Do it! Do it now. Go! Just go. Just do it! Get out of your chair, get off your wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend, or significant other and vote. Vote! Take your finger and vote. Think 5 when you vote. 5, not 4, not 3, not 2, never 1, but 5!

No matter which story you read vote. No matter how good, average, or bad the story, if you read the story, vote for the story. Voting is all that all we ask of you. We ask for your vote. Your vote is our applause. Your vote is our pat on the back or slap on the ass. Your vote is the tip to the free entertainment we gave you...for free. Your vote is important to us. We need to know what you thought of our story that we wrote with you expressly in our minds. Forget about commenting on our stories, I'll address that later. For now, just vote. Vote! Vote!

Now go out there and not only vote but also support your favorite authors by clicking on the favorite author link that appears at the end of any of our stories. We'll be checking on you. If you don't vote, we'll be back to flatten your tires. We'll be back to write stories about us having sex with your fat wives, your ugly husbands, your MILF's mothers, your horny sisters, your perverted fathers, your stupid brothers, your sexy mothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, brothers-in-law, fathers-in-laws, aunts, uncles, cousins, grandmothers and grandfathers.

Admittedly, we'll write those stories anyway, even if you don't vote but you owe us a vote. If you don't vote...we'll take your dog. We will. We swear we will. We'd take your cat but we don't like cats only pussies. Sorry.

Now, do it now. Go to your computer and vote. Vote. Repeat after us.

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

Say it!

"I'm mad as Hell, so mad that I'll be voting every time I read a story."

That's better. That's more like it. Have a nice day. We'll be back to check on you. Don't leave town...without voting.

I've been on both sides of this coin so I have mixed feelings.

I've been reading stories on this site for over ten years. I've read many, many stories. In all that time I almost never voted or commented on any of them. It never occurred to me to do so.

Now that I've started writing stories I pay lots of attention to comments and voting. But I'm not sure that's a good thing. Most comments are not helpful, and the troll quotient is high, especially with respect to stories that don't fit neatly into the categories in which they are offered.

I think the more workable attitude is simply to take this site for what it is, put your story out there and enjoy publishing it for its own sake, and see what happens. Don't expect too much.

But that said, I'll make a point of reading more of your stories and making sure I vote on them each time I do! And if I think of a worthwhile comment to make I will make it.

 

[SusanJillParker]

OK. No problem. Will do. Promise. Swear. No skipping. Deal.

p.s. I don't have a dog, just don't take my golf clubs, ok?

Keep your golf clubs. I prefer tennis, even Scrabble to golf.

Now if you have a limited edition Scrabble game by Franklin Mint, now we're talking (lol).

 

[SusanJillParker]

I've been on both sides of this coin so I have mixed feelings.

I've been reading stories on this site for over ten years. I've read many, many stories. In all that time I almost never voted or commented on any of them. It never occurred to me to do so.

Now that I've started writing stories I pay lots of attention to comments and voting. But I'm not sure that's a good thing. Most comments are not helpful, and the troll quotient is high, especially with respect to stories that don't fit neatly into the categories in which they are offered.

I think the more workable attitude is simply to take this site for what it is, put your story out there and enjoy publishing it for its own sake, and see what happens. Don't expect too much.

But that said, I'll make a point of reading more of your stories and making sure I vote on them each time I do! And if I think of a worthwhile comment to make I will make it.

After putting in so much effort and working so hard to write the best story I can, it's dismally disappointing not to receive very many votes of support.

I've had stories that I thought were shit stories that have had thousands of votes and hundreds of thousands of hits. Yet, those were mother and son, incest stories (lol).

Mom Sleeps with Son on Christmas or I Love You, Mommy, written under my WmForrester name received more than four thousand votes and nearly 2 million hits.

Then, again, any time I wrote an essay on gun control (lol), I've written a few, I receive more comments than I do votes with scores less than 2.0 (lol).

"You can take my gun from my cold, dead hands," said the late, great Charlton Heston, then president of the NRA.

Suffice to say, I believe that everyone, especially those living in the South Side of Chicago, should be armed with water guns. No one but the police, the military, hunters, and your mothers, of course, should be armed with a gun.

"Take that you bastard. Squirt, squirt, squirt," said John.

"Hey, you got my blouse and bra all wet. Now, you can see not only see my tits but also my nipples too," said Mary looking down at herself before looking up at John drooling.

"I know. Why do you think I squirted you?"

 

[PervOtaku]

Porn and erotica are like geeks and nerds. Some people swear they mean different things and go to great lengths to define the difference, other people consider the terms synonymous.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Porn and erotica are like geeks and nerds. Some people swear they mean different things and go to great lengths to define the difference, other people consider the terms synonymous.

To me, porn is nasty and dirty with little thought behind it other than horniness, lust, and sex.

Erotica on the other hand can be something beautiful, sexy, and enticing.

Even when I write a mother and son forbidden story if sex, I don't write porn. I write erotica.

Where porn is the hammer boarding up the windows during a story of sexual debauchery for the reader to hide him or herself in the dark while masturbating, erotica is the lace decorating the windows that remain wide open while the reader imagines his or her lover.

Two very different things, porn and erotica are not synonymous. Just as I'd be bored to death watching a porn movie of sex, sex, and more sex, I'd be sexually aroused watching an erotic movie of love, romance, and thoughtful dialogue.

In my ten years here, I can't even count the many tens of thousands of e-mails that I've received and have answered. Always the same, those readers who enjoy reading porn criticize my writing as not having enough sex while those readers who enjoy reading erotica thank me for writing such a hot story.

Porn and erotica are vastly different and are not the same.

 

[txgent101]

To me, porn is nasty and dirty with little thought behind it other than horniness, lust, and sex.

Erotica on the other hand can be something beautiful, sexy, and enticing.

Even when I write a mother and son forbidden story if sex, I don't write porn. I write erotica.

Where porn is the hammer boarding up the windows during a story of sexual debauchery for the reader to hide him or herself in the dark while masturbating, erotica is the lace decorating the windows that remain wide open while the reader imagines his or her lover.

Two very different things, porn and erotica are not synonymous. Just as I'd be bored to death watching a porn movie of sex, sex, and more sex, I'd be sexually aroused watching an erotic movie of love, romance, and thoughtful dialogue.

In my ten years here, I can't even count the many tens of thousands of e-mails that I've received and have answered. Always the same, those readers who enjoy reading porn criticize my writing as not having enough sex while those readers who enjoy reading erotica thank me for writing such a hot story.

Porn and erotica are vastly different and are not the same.

What she said ^^.

And this --
1964 United States Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart to describe his threshold test for obscenity:

“I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.”

So, perhaps Justice Stewart’s point of view would apply to the porn vs. erotica question as posted. “I call it either porn or erotica when I see or read it”.

Other observations:
• I have rarely read a story here on Lit that I considered to be porn, per se. So, I think the differentiation is mainly in the visual images (or clips or films) that you see.
• Most images or clips I have seen in a Lit discussion board thread I consider to be erotica; a few are porn.
• Almost anything I might see on mainstream sex sites like Xh___, or P ___hub falls in the porn category for me.
• Images in some Tumblr blogs are erotic; a few come across to me as porn (those I rarely stop by beyond the first glance).

YMMV!

 

[YoursSINSerely]

Well said.

I think that you are a very talented writer, and I think you have a lot of fans of your style, but most readers are probably here to fill their own needs, wanting orgasmic bliss, and for some the sex in a story is needed to take them over the edge.

I imagine that you are already one of the most popular writers on this site, so you should not change your style, just because some do not like the lack of graphic sex. Their anger is probably even more so a testament to your skill. They liked reading it, getting worked up over it, just could not find their own climax within it. So in their world they probably wasted their porn time reading something that increased their horniness.

Personally I try to always add long sex scenes in the story, that hopefully will leave most people satisfied. To a lot of readers, I know that will be the center of the story, while I personally put most of my effort into the plot and character, because I feel that they are what makes the story unique.

The readers on this site sometimes penalize certain writers. The Loving Women section maybe most of all. We can question why, blame it on people being spoiled and only caring about what they want or like, but no matter the reason, I think we just need to live with it. They will not change, and I do not think you should change to try and please them, just because they are loud and obnoxious, because if you do, those who truly love your current style might be disappointed. They might not speak up about it, but they will certainly miss it.

From the comments I get, I can tell that everyone reads a story differently. Sometimes I get negative comments, or people who just call it a stroke story, but every now and then there comes people who read it, loved it, and understood it. Someone who talks about the plot and how much they loved it, how they enjoyed the main character or some other character. Someone who noted a lot of the stupid things you entered in the story, thinking no one would notice or care, but it feels so good when somebody did.

Instead of all the bad stuff, I like to focus on those people. Those who put value to your words, and make you want to write more and more.

 

[txgent101]

A Related Perspective:

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So, yes, I think that erotica bespeaks a measure of that erotic intelligence that porn does not. And those are the attributes that make a great erotic story.

 

[SusanJillParker]

Everyone has a different definition of what they deem as pornographic and what they deem as erotic. Yet, with a fine line sometimes between the two definitions, when does pornography become erotica and when does erotica become pornography? I really don't know. Can anyone tell me?

Is writing about and showing a man with a woman making love erotic or pornographic? Perhaps it depends on the details and the language.

If a man and a woman having sex is erotic, then why is a man having sex with a man, a woman having sex with a woman, or threesomes considered pornographic? I don't get it. Sex is sex, isn't it?

Is incest ever erotic or must it always be deemed pornographic? Can a mother having sex with her son ever be erotic or must it always be classified as pornographic?

There was nothing erotic about the sex that my mother had with her four sons, my much older, four brothers. When they were all drunk, they had sex. Period. I learned early to close my eyes and not to judge.

Yet, when I write a mother and son story, I try and make my stories believable as if it really could happen. I give reasons why the mother is having sex with her son, whether he's going off the war, a recent divorce, losing the house and moving, or they're just sad, lonely, and drunk. I never just having them fucking and sucking out of the clear blue.

What's your definition of erotica and pornography?

 

[txgent101]

Boundaries

Everyone has a different definition of what they deem as pornographic and what they deem as erotic. Yet, with a fine line sometimes between the two definitions, when does pornography become erotica and when does erotica become pornography? I really don't know. Can anyone tell me?

Is writing about and showing a man with a woman making love erotic or pornographic? Perhaps it depends on the details and the language.

If a man and a woman having sex is erotic, then why is a man having sex with a man, a woman having sex with a woman, or threesomes considered pornographic? I don't get it. Sex is sex, isn't it?

Is incest ever erotic or must it always be deemed pornographic? Can a mother having sex with her son ever be erotic or must it always be classified as pornographic?

There was nothing erotic about the sex that my mother had with her four sons, my much older, four brothers. When they were all drunk, they had sex. Period. I learned early to close my eyes and not to judge.

Yet, when I write a mother and son story, I try and make my stories believable as if it really could happen. I give reasons why the mother is having sex with her son, whether he's going off the war, a recent divorce, losing the house and moving, or they're just sad, lonely, and drunk. I never just having them fucking and sucking out of the clear blue.

What's your definition of erotica and pornography?

Just to point out that there are legitimate boundaries/guidelines and which are applicable to stories and thread postings on Lit. Exemplars to wit from Lit forum guidelines:

"2. You may not post sexually explicit pictures or stories featuring anyone under 18 years old. Literotica does not allow the posting of underage or animal sex pictures - or links to such, or text/story posts/links to advocation thereof - on the forum. This includes discussions and/or accusations involving pedophilia and/or child sex abuse."

The point being that there are boundaries. And perhaps it is a matter of defining or deciding where to draw those boundaries that delineate what is erotica and what is porn?

 

[SusanJillParker]

Depending on the person, there's a fine line what one may deem to be erotic and what one may deem to be pornographic.

Up-skirt peek and down-blouse views are erotic.

A naked woman walking in public is pornographic.

Holding hands in public is erotic.

Holding a cock in public is pornographic.

A long, wet, French kiss with passion is erotic.

A blowjob, cumming in her mouth, and giving her a cum bath is pornographic.

Making love to a woman while kissing her and whispering sweet nothings in her ear is erotic.

Fucking a woman doggie-style, pounding her pussy, and bumping her head against the wall is pornographic.

Flashing panties, cleavage, and bra while making it appear accidental is erotic.

Flashing your cock is pornographic.

 

[SimonDoom]

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this thread because I don't understand how you define erotica and how you define porn. Without having working definitions of the terms it's impossible for people to have a meaningful discussion about whether something ought to be classified as one or the other, or what difference it makes. Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? It's not a meaningful question unless you've defined what you mean by fruit or vegetable. A botanist would call a tomato a fruit; a chef might call it a vegetable. Neither would be wrong, and nothing would be accomplished by having them argue with one another about what to call it. Without a common understanding about meaning you just get a lot of people talking past each other.

I don't think of porn and erotica as being separate; I don't see there being a sharp, black line between them at all. I see porn as a subset of erotica. Erotica I define as "all art that expresses or appeals to an erotic sensibility, broadly defined." Porn I define as, more or less, stroke material (I'm not sure what the analogous female term is). All porn is erotica; not all erotica is porn.

But that's just me. Someone else may have a completely different definition, and that person isn't necessarily wrong. But unless that person and I have a common understanding about terms, we can't have a meaningful dialog about the question you pose in the heading to this thread.

 

[SusanJillParker]

I'm not sure what you are getting at with this thread because I don't understand how you define erotica and how you define porn. Without having working definitions of the terms it's impossible for people to have a meaningful discussion about whether something ought to be classified as one or the other, or what difference it makes. Is a tomato a fruit or a vegetable? It's not a meaningful question unless you've defined what you mean by fruit or vegetable. A botanist would call a tomato a fruit; a chef might call it a vegetable. Neither would be wrong, and nothing would be accomplished by having them argue with one another about what to call it. Without a common understanding about meaning you just get a lot of people talking past each other.

I don't think of porn and erotica as being separate; I don't see there being a sharp, black line between them at all. I see porn as a subset of erotica. Erotica I define as "all art that expresses or appeals to an erotic sensibility, broadly defined." Porn I define as, more or less, stroke material (I'm not sure what the analogous female term is). All porn is erotica; not all erotica is porn.

But that's just me. Someone else may have a completely different definition, and that person isn't necessarily wrong. But unless that person and I have a common understanding about terms, we can't have a meaningful dialog about the question you pose in the heading to this thread.

Precisely my point and mainly for the purpose of this thread, I was asking for opinions of the perception of others when writing and/or reading erotica versus pornography.

Some may read erotica while labeling it as pornographic. I believe there is enough difference between the two to make a delineation. Those who read erotica seldom read pornography and vice versa.

To me, a pornographic story is a story that starts with sex and ends with sex with no character development, no imagery, no description, little dialogue, and no tension. Some porn stories don't even bother to describe and/or name their characters. If they do describe their characters, they'll dump the description in one sentence.

So tell me, SimonDoom, must a mother and son incest story always be considered pornography or can it be written with love, understanding, and romance to make it erotic.

Just because someone has sex with their mother, sister, father, brother, aunt, uncle, cousin, grandmother, or grandfather certainly makes it incestuous but not necessarily pornographic. Wouldn't you agree?

Whenever I write a story that posts in the incest category, the common complaint is that there's not enough sex. Yet, if a writer is good enough they don't have to continually write sex scenes for the reader to imagine that the main characters are having sex, isn't that enough? Not so for the pornography reader.

Many of those readers who read pornography don't care about character development and backstory. They just want to masturbate. Yet, isn't it better to masturbate to a real story instead of one that isn't believable?

Nonetheless, I always write the obligatory sex scene while still being heavy on the character development. For me to write an incest story, there always must be a valid reason why a mother would agree to have sex with her son. Sorry, unless there's something mentally wrong with them, or if they're drunk or high, mothers just don't jump in bed with their sons and have sex with them without a good reason.

Answering my own question, I believe if a story is written well enough that it can transgress the two categories of Erotica and Pornography. I think that it can capture and titillate the both audiences that read erotica and pornography.

I'm writing such a story now, I Love You, Need You & Want You, Ma. I believe that there's enough sex in the story and the backstory, along with character development is enough to make the story seem real. Actually, the story is based on a true story.

The story is about a 48-year-old mother, Elizabeth, who had gone through a divorce after being married for 25 years. Her 24-year-old son, Robert, adores her, an understatement. Her husband left her for his son's 24-year-old girlfriend, Jessica. How's that for setting the stage and giving reason for a mother to have sex with her son? What's good for the gander is good for the goose.

 

[SimonDoom]

So tell me, SimonDoom, must a mother and son incest story always be considered pornography or can it be written with love, understanding, and romance to make it erotic.

I would say that any subject matter can be treated in a way that is "erotic" as I define it and not just pornographic. Literally, anything. The distinction between the two has less to do with the subject matter than in the way the author deals with it. Incest, foot fetishes, bestiality, pee fetishes --whatever. There's no limit to the artistic imagination and seemingly there is no limit to the variety of ways in which human experience can be cast in an erotic way. That's my theory.

I would describe your stories, and the ideas you are suggesting, as erotica, not porn, but there are a lot of people that would see them as porn, and they're not necessarily wrong, because they might see it and use it as porn (as I define it).

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I invest humungous amounts of thought in questions like porn/erotica. I had no clue about the difference till this week when I got two clues, and I suddenly knew.

Porn and erotica are aspects of the same process but with distinct sensory feedback. Porn is kinda the trip to erotica.

 

[CarlusMagnus]

To me, a pornographic story is a story that starts with sex and ends with sex with no character development, no imagery, no description, little dialogue, and no tension. Some porn stories don't even bother to describe and/or name their characters. If they do describe their characters, they'll dump the description in one sentence.

I find the boundary between porn and erotica to be pretty indistinct. Most erotica has pornographic elements (a real master—not me—can write erotica that includes no pornography); non-erotic pornography isn't worth the trouble. For me, the dividing criterion is this: Erotica is about people who have, and use, genitalia. Pornography is about genitalia that have, and use, people. (Or beasts, but that's forbidden on this site.)

I don't worry about that difference very much. My writing is about people (usually about a brother and a sister; always about love—erotic love). I started writing because the first few stories I read here on Lit. were amusingly awful. Surely, I said to myself, I can do better.

I get the expected down-votes from the crowd that wants nothing but sexual activity, but I get enough up-votes from people who want human activity as well. I even get occasional comments from people who say that they started reading for the sex, and then kept reading for the story.