Why It's So Hard for Whites to Understand Ferguson

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ROBERT P. JONESAUG 21 2014, 1:21 PM ET

The shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, and the anger poured out in response by Ferguson’s mostly black population, has snapped the issue of race into national focus. The incident has precipitated a much larger conversation, causing many Americans to question just how far racial equality and race relations have come, even in an era of a black president and a black attorney general.

Polls since the incident demonstrate that black and white Americans see this incident very differently. A Huffington Post/YouGov poll finds that while Americans overall are divided over whether Brown's shooting was an isolated incident (35 percent) or part of a broader pattern in the way police treat black men (39 percent), this balance of opinion dissipates when broken down by race. More than three-quarters (76 percent) of black respondents say that the shooting is part of a broader pattern, nearly double the number of whites who agree (40 percent). Similarly, a Pew Research Center poll found that overall the country is divided over whether Brown’s shooting “raises important issues about race that need to be discussed” (44 percent) or whether “the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves” (40 percent). However, black Americans favor the former statement by a four-to-one margin (80 percent vs. 18 percent) and at more than twice the level of whites (37 percent); among whites, nearly half (47 percent) believe the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves.

For me, a white man, hearing accounts of how black parents teach their sons to deal with police is difficult to grasp as reality. Jonathan Capehart’s Washington Post column after the Brown shooting contained a personal and poignant account of his mother’s lessons to him as a young black man:

How I shouldn’t run in public, lest I arouse undue suspicion. How I most definitely should not run with anything in my hands, lest anyone think I stole something. The lesson included not talking back to the police, lest you give them a reason to take you to jail—or worse. And I was taught to never, ever leave home without identification.

And national survey data suggests that the need for this kind of parental coaching persists in the black community today. When given a choice between two traits that respondents believe their child should have, a 2012 PRRI survey found that African Americans are far more likely than white Americans to favor “obedience” over “self-reliance.” By a margin of three to one (75 percent to 25 percent), African Americans preferred “obedience” to “self-reliance;” among white Americans, only 41 percent preferred “obedience,” compared to 59 percent who preferred “self-reliance.”
 
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The part I have a hard time understanding is the number of people who do not know anything about the facts. If the person who got killed would have been my brother I would not be out destroying property, looting, and burning. I care more about him than that.
There have been several good men who have been killed in my home town since that incident.
Some where there was no question that they were not connected with any crime. Some that were honest hard working family men.
No one said a word. Even witnesses to one of the killings would not help the police.
 
ROBERT P. JONESAUG 21 2014, 1:21 PM ET

The shooting of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, and the anger poured out in response by Ferguson’s mostly black population, has snapped the issue of race into national focus. The incident has precipitated a much larger conversation, causing many Americans to question just how far racial equality and race relations have come, even in an era of a black president and a black attorney general.

Polls since the incident demonstrate that black and white Americans see this incident very differently. A Huffington Post/YouGov poll finds that while Americans overall are divided over whether Brown's shooting was an isolated incident (35 percent) or part of a broader pattern in the way police treat black men (39 percent), this balance of opinion dissipates when broken down by race. More than three-quarters (76 percent) of black respondents say that the shooting is part of a broader pattern, nearly double the number of whites who agree (40 percent). Similarly, a Pew Research Center poll found that overall the country is divided over whether Brown’s shooting “raises important issues about race that need to be discussed” (44 percent) or whether “the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves” (40 percent). However, black Americans favor the former statement by a four-to-one margin (80 percent vs. 18 percent) and at more than twice the level of whites (37 percent); among whites, nearly half (47 percent) believe the issue of race is getting more attention than it deserves.

For me, a white man, hearing accounts of how black parents teach their sons to deal with police is difficult to grasp as reality. Jonathan Capehart’s Washington Post column after the Brown shooting contained a personal and poignant account of his mother’s lessons to him as a young black man:

How I shouldn’t run in public, lest I arouse undue suspicion. How I most definitely should not run with anything in my hands, lest anyone think I stole something. The lesson included not talking back to the police, lest you give them a reason to take you to jail—or worse. And I was taught to never, ever leave home without identification.

And national survey data suggests that the need for this kind of parental coaching persists in the black community today. When given a choice between two traits that respondents believe their child should have, a 2012 PRRI survey found that African Americans are far more likely than white Americans to favor “obedience” over “self-reliance.” By a margin of three to one (75 percent to 25 percent), African Americans preferred “obedience” to “self-reliance;” among white Americans, only 41 percent preferred “obedience,” compared to 59 percent who preferred “self-reliance.”



What I don't understand id why you think this is a "Black VS white issue".
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How I shouldn’t run in public, lest I arouse undue suspicion.

Well Hell! If you were Young, white and especially wearing a hoody, that would be suspicious. That is the way the world is. I was taught this as a child and I am called white and am 58 years old!

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How I most definitely should not run with anything in my hands, lest anyone think I stole something.

Thieves usually run as fast as possible...DUh!
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The lesson included not talking back to the police, lest you give them a reason to take you to jail—or worse. And I was taught to never, ever leave home without identification.

Was taught not to talk back to Policeman for the same reason.
You will get your ass beat and or locked up!

It is against the FUCKING LAW not to have ID on you if you are sixteen years or older... at least here in Texas.
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Stop raising kids to be fucking law breaking, privilege abusing, disrespectful heathens!

90% of these problems will be solved!
 
What I don't understand id why you think this is a "Black VS white issue".
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How I shouldn’t run in public, lest I arouse undue suspicion.

Well Hell! If you were Young, white and especially wearing a hoody, that would be suspicious. That is the way the world is. I was taught this as a child and I am called white and am 58 years old!

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How I most definitely should not run with anything in my hands, lest anyone think I stole something.

Thieves usually run as fast as possible...DUh!
***************************************************************
The lesson included not talking back to the police, lest you give them a reason to take you to jail—or worse. And I was taught to never, ever leave home without identification.

Was taught not to talk back to Policeman for the same reason.
You will get your ass beat and or locked up!

It is against the FUCKING LAW not to have ID on you if you are sixteen years or older... at least here in Texas.
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Stop raising kids to be fucking law breaking, privilege abusing, disrespectful heathens!

90% of these problems will be solved!


It is not against the FUCKING LAW to go somewhere without ID in any state in this nation.

If they have Reasonable Suspicion to detain you in the first place, you are required by law to identify yourself.

In some other states, you are subject to 'stop and ID" laws, but again you do not have to present any sort of card and you are not required to even speak to the policeman unless he states that he is lawfully detaining you or lawfully arresting you for probable cause.

The courts have never yet allowed policemen to simply walk up to people on the streets and demand that they produce ID.
 
It is not against the FUCKING LAW to go somewhere without ID in any state in this nation.

If they have Reasonable Suspicion to detain you in the first place, you are required by law to identify yourself.

In some other states, you are subject to 'stop and ID" laws, but again you do not have to present any sort of card and you are not required to even speak to the policeman unless he states that he is lawfully detaining you or lawfully arresting you for probable cause.

The courts have never yet allowed policemen to simply walk up to people on the streets and demand that they produce ID.

Papers, please.
 
It is against the FUCKING LAW not to have ID on you if you are sixteen years or older... at least here in Texas.

Is that so?

Tell you what, why don't you go to a Texas A&M game. Find one of those cops down on the sidelines, point to a random player and say "Officer, that man doesn't have ID on him...he's breaking the FUCKING LAW! Arrest him!" and if the cop doesn't arrest him, use your citizen's arrest power.

Let us know how that goes!
 
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"Roll down the window"
"Hold on a second"
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Heil Pooks! It's Black Friday, shouldn't you have your She-Wolf of the SS black uniform avatar up?

I've been debating what to wear this morning ... SS Black ... She-Wolf ... Santa's Helper ...

It's not easy being a liberal terrorist! It's all about the look.
 
You didn't enjoy my combining of pookie's playgrounderish numbers thread loving type of intellect with AJ's name?

Now you're just being nasty.

"Numbers thread loving"? You really think that little of me? You know how much I hate math!
 
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