Why its gross to kiss your sister

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Why it's gross to kiss your sister

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Researchers who wanted to find out why it is not only taboo to kiss your sister, but also disgusting, said on Wednesday they have discovered why in a discovery that challenges some basic tenets of Freudian theory.


The instinct evolved naturally and cannot be taught, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the University of California Santa Barbara wrote in their report in the journal Nature.

Spending time in the same household and watching your mother care for your brother or sister is all it takes. This is

all subconscious, of course, reported the researchers, who worked with Debra Lieberman of the University of Hawaii.

"We went in search of a kin detection system because some of the most important theories in evolutionary biology said such a thing should exist," Cosmides said in a telephone interview.

"It should regulate both altruism and incest disgust."

Humans have an inbuilt system that does both, they found.

"This data shows that the degree to which we feel those things is governed by these cues that, for hunter-gatherers, predict whether somebody is a sibling. And it works regardless of your beliefs -- who you are told who your siblings are," she

said.

Cosmides and her colleagues tested 600 volunteers, asking them all sorts of questions jumbled together so they would not know what was being studied.

"We asked them how many favors did you do for this particular sibling in a month. We asked if this sibling needed a kidney, how likely would you be to donate this sibling a kidney."

FORBIDDEN FRUIT

And they asked about all sorts of ethical dilemmas, including questions about sexual relationships with siblings.

Among the volunteers were people who had never shared a home with their siblings -- for instance, full- or half-siblings born 10 or even 20 years apart.

What determined incest disgust and altruism was the same --

how much time an older sibling spent watching his or her mother care for a younger one, or how much time the two spent together in the same household.

"If you co-resided with them for a long time as a child, you'd treat them as you'd treat any full sibling. This seems to

operate non-consciously," Cosmides said.

Especially strong was the effect of watching one's mother care for a younger child. "They would be very altruistic toward

that baby and they'd be grossed out at the idea of sex with that baby as an adult," Cosmides said.

Women are especially sensitive to this, added Cosmides, a cognitive psychologist. "One whiff of possible siblinghood and that's it for you if you are a woman," she said.

The study contradicts the teachings of Sigmund Freud, who described Oedipal urges and conflicts, Cosmides said.

"He thought you are attracted to your relatives and your siblings and parents and it takes the force of culture and society to keep you from committing the incest that is in your heart," she said.

Cosmides said Freud had a possible reason for his own feelings -- he had a wet nurse who cuddled and breastfed him: "Who their brain thinks is mom is different from who they consciously believe is mom. For them it is quite reasonable that they have an attraction to their mothers."
 
What bullshit, it's pheromones

Even in that article- notice this quote;
One whiff of possible siblinghood and that's it for you if you are a woman," she said.
 
Kissing my sister is just plane NASTY. I have two. One is DEAD :eek: The other is ugly and fat. Like I would kiss them?
 
ABSTRUSE said:
Why it's gross to kiss your sister

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Researchers who wanted to find out why it is not only taboo to kiss your sister, but also disgusting, said on Wednesday they have discovered why in a discovery that challenges some basic tenets of Freudian theory.

The instinct evolved naturally and cannot be taught, John Tooby and Leda Cosmides of the University of California Santa Barbara wrote in their report in the journal Nature.

Spending time in the same household and watching your mother care for your brother or sister is all it takes. This is all subconscious, of course, reported the researchers, who worked with Debra Lieberman of the University of Hawaii.

"We went in search of a kin detection system because some of the most important theories in evolutionary biology said such a thing should exist," Cosmides said in a telephone interview.

"It should regulate both altruism and incest disgust."

Humans have an inbuilt system that does both, they found.

"This data shows that the degree to which we feel those things is governed by these cues that, for hunter-gatherers, predict whether somebody is a sibling. And it works regardless of your beliefs -- who you are told who your siblings are," she said.

Cosmides and her colleagues tested 600 volunteers, asking them all sorts of questions jumbled together so they would not know what was being studied.

"We asked them how many favors did you do for this particular sibling in a month. We asked if this sibling needed a kidney, how likely would you be to donate this sibling a kidney."

FORBIDDEN FRUIT

And they asked about all sorts of ethical dilemmas, including questions about sexual relationships with siblings.

Among the volunteers were people who had never shared a home with their siblings -- for instance, full- or half-siblings born 10 or even 20 years apart.

What determined incest disgust and altruism was the same -- how much time an older sibling spent watching his or her mother care for a younger one, or how much time the two spent together in the same household.

"If you co-resided with them for a long time as a child, you'd treat them as you'd treat any full sibling. This seems to operate non-consciously," Cosmides said.

Especially strong was the effect of watching one's mother care for a younger child. "They would be very altruistic toward that baby and they'd be grossed out at the idea of sex with that baby as an adult," Cosmides said.

Women are especially sensitive to this, added Cosmides, a cognitive psychologist. "One whiff of possible siblinghood and that's it for you if you are a woman," she said.

The study contradicts the teachings of Sigmund Freud, who described Oedipal urges and conflicts, Cosmides said.

"He thought you are attracted to your relatives and your siblings and parents and it takes the force of culture and society to keep you from committing the incest that is in your heart," she said.

Cosmides said Freud had a possible reason for his own feelings -- he had a wet nurse who cuddled and breastfed him: "Who their brain thinks is mom is different from who they consciously believe is mom. For them it is quite reasonable that they have an attraction to their mothers."

God, that sounds so complicated. I need to read it again.
 
matriarch said:
God, that sounds so complicated. I need to read it again.
Umph. In my opinion, they'r missing the key.

We went in search of a kin detection system because some of the most important theories in evolutionary biology said such a thing should exist,"
It DOES exist. it's one of the things that pheromones tell us. Siblings exude similar pheromones.

My first post wasn't really meant as a joke, although now that I re-read it, it looks... caffeine free, and not in a good way :eek:
From wikipedia;
A few well-controlled scientific studies have been published suggesting the possibility of pheromones in humans, however. The best-studied case involves the synchronization of menstrual cycles among women based on unconscious odor cues (the so called McClintock effect, named after the primary investigator). This study proposes that there are two types of pheromone involved: "One, produced prior to ovulation, shortens the ovarian cycle, and the second, produced just at ovulation, lengthens the cycle". This is analogous to the Whitten effect [1] [2], a male pheromone mediated modulation of estrus observed in mice.

Other studies have suggested that people might be using odor cues associated with the immune system to select mates who are not closely related to themselves. (See Disassortative sexual selection) Using a brain imaging technique, Swedish researchers have shown that homosexual and heterosexual males' brains respond differently to two odours that may be involved in sexual arousal, and that the homosexual men respond in the same way as heterosexual women. According to the researchers, this research suggests a possible role for human pheromones in the biological basis of sexual orientation [4]. Another study demonstrated that the smell of androstadienone, a chemical component of male sweat, maintains higher levels of cortisol in female. The scientists suggest that the ability of this compound to influence the endocrine balance of the opposite sex makes it a human pheromonal chemosignal
It was thought that humans didn't actually have pheromone receptors, but we do; a tiny pit up against the septum in each nostril called Jacobson's organ
 
So siblings that grew up in different houses would be more likely to shag in adulthood...
 
All I want to know is how this explains the enormous popularity of the Incest/Taboo category.... :rolleyes:
 
3113 said:
All I want to know is how this explains the enormous popularity of the Incest/Taboo category.... :rolleyes:

because for some, the FANTASY is hot... the reality, usually not... *shrug*
 
I really dont get this! Are we talking non sexual kissing and if I grew up in the same house as my sister I would'nt want to kiss her 'hello' when I saw her but if she was a stranger to me I would be happy to? Or that I wouldn't have an incestious relationship with anyone whether I grew up with them or not because Im female?

You know what anything to do with Freud should be binned.
 
Goldie Munro said:
I really dont get this! Are we talking non sexual kissing and if I grew up in the same house as my sister I would'nt want to kiss her 'hello' when I saw her but if she was a stranger to me I would be happy to? Or that I wouldn't have an incestious relationship with anyone whether I grew up with them or not because Im female?

I think it's not about non-sexual kissing: if you'd kiss a close female friend 'hello', you'd kiss your sister 'hello.'

But the study seems to say that if you grew up with your sister; you wouldn't want to ravish her mouth with your tongue, while pushing her down over the arm of the couch and raising her skirt to... well, anyway - even if that was just what you would want to do with a woman just like your sister, but unrelated to you.

I'm a straight female, so I don't really want to kiss anybody's sister. But if I wanted to go around kissing women, my two sisters would be tied for last on my list - and they're both quite attractive.

Kissing my brother would be just plain icky-gross-weird.

Kissing a man who looked and acted exactly like my brother, but shared not a single shred of DNA with me?
That's a very hot fantasy of mine.

Must be the pheromones :)

- Quince
 
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Jenny_Jackson said:
Kissing my sister is just plane NASTY. I have two. One is DEAD :eek: The other is ugly and fat. Like I would kiss them?
I would kiss your sister
 
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