Why Islam is disrespected

[Gringao]

Islam is a religion. Fundamental Islamic culture is not.

There's no difference between culture and religion in Islam. Religion, culture, art, government, law...they're all the same thing.

 

[Big_Drum]

There's no difference between culture and religion in Islam. Religion, culture, art, government, law...they're all the same thing.

Man, you are an ignorant little shit aren't you?

Of course there are differences

Things like the habib requirement for women aren't part of Islam, but are cultural. There's nothing about the habib in the Quran.

Cultural differences always sneak in there.

They show in the differences in laws too, like the frequency of beheadings, hand-chopping, and whippings in Saudi Arabia compared with other Islamic nations.

 

[Gringao]

Man, you are an ignorant little shit aren't you?

Of course there are differences

Things like the habib requirement for women aren't part of Islam, but are cultural. There's nothing about the habib in the Quran.

Cultural differences always sneak in there.

I think you mean "hijab." Habib was Jimmy Carter's Mideast envoy (and subject of Warren Zevon's song "The Envoy"). But I'm just an ignorant little shit, so what do I know?

And while there's some discussion about the hijab, the general consensus is that it's required by Islam.

 

[Big_Drum]

I've simply GOT to give kudos to the chap who dubbed in the screams.

He had the accent cold.

Real panic too!

:Oscar:

Not a he - the screaming was done by a woman. It sounded to me like a ripoff from some horror film soundtrack like Friday 13th. Besides, it was dubbed in. The chanting started a full 12 seconds before anybody was even doing anything at all, just standing around posing and doing fuck all whille this "Allah Akbar" and fake screaming is going on - AND THEY WERE STILL STANDING AROUND DOING NOTHING AT ALL!

It was fake. get over it.

 

[Big_Drum]

I think you mean "hijab." Habib was Jimmy Carter's Mideast envoy (and subject of Warren Zevon's song "The Envoy"). But I'm just an ignorant little shit, so what do I know?

Ah pedantic are you? A little typo and that's you're only excuse but you still are an ignorant SOB.

You have this mad idea that there are no cultural differences between Islamic nations when it's self evident that of course there are.

 

[Gringao]

Ah pedantic are you? A little typo and that's you're only excuse but you still are an ignorant SOB.

You have this mad idea that there are no cultural differences between Islamic nations when it's self evident that of course there are.

A. It wasn't a typo...you just didn't know the word. IOW, you were "ignorant" of it. Glass houses and all, buddy.

B. There are cultural differences between some Islamic countries, but it's incidental. Your language is not important...Arabic is your language. Your land is not important...you bow to Mecca. Islam controls your life up to and including how you wipe your backside and what position you sleep in.

 

[Big_Drum]

In which Islamic country are terrorist attacks NOT taking place?

I haven't heard of any terrorist attacks in Libya or Iran or Brunei. Have there been any in Qatar?

 

[Big_Drum]

A. It wasn't a typo...you just didn't know the word. IOW, you were "ignorant" of it. Glass houses and all, buddy..

Yes it was a typo - bjbjbjbjbj - they're pretty damn close on my keyboard.

B. There are cultural differences between some Islamic countries, but it's incidental. Your language is not important...Arabic is your language. Your land is not important...you bow to Mecca. Islam controls your life up to and including how you wipe your backside and what position you sleep in.

Iranians speak Farsi

Get an education.

 

[BeWeBoy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringao
B. There are cultural differences between some Islamic countries, but it's incidental. Your language is not important...Arabic is your language. Your land is not important...you bow to Mecca. Islam controls your life up to and including how you wipe your backside and what position you sleep in


And that is a bad thing ? Why?

Catholics, Jews, etc have similar "rules". But that is OK, mmphh

 

[TrannyLuver]

I'll be the first to admit that I dont know the first damn thing about Islam or any of that Quran or hijab shit. Hell, I can barely understand let alone tolerate the dumb ass religions like the "Cat-licker's"-Catholics, Methodism, Jehovas Witness, ect.. that I grew up around. But what I do know is that religion is what is wrong in the world today. We have terrorist running around killing, bombing, and decapitating Innocent people in the name of religion or "GOD". And on the flip-side we have these fanatical ass religious freaks on tv telling the populous that they have to send money if they want their souls saved.
Now if we take away the relgious aspect in this equation all'z that we are left with is a bunch of money grubbing, fanatical, homocidal maniacs that have absolutely no place in society what so ever. Now there are some "peacefull" religious worshiping people out there but there few and far between. But for the most part, anyone who truely believes in their religion will hold biases and hatred towards anyone whom is different or believes different than they do.

So even though my belief that all religious practices should be outlawed, I'm probably one the few who believe in this. Oh well thats my 2 cents on this topic so carry on with your arguing, fighting, killing, bombing, and maiming in the name of what ever you call a "GOD" or religion.

 

[Gringao]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gringao
B. There are cultural differences between some Islamic countries, but it's incidental. Your language is not important...Arabic is your language. Your land is not important...you bow to Mecca. Islam controls your life up to and including how you wipe your backside and what position you sleep in


And that is a bad thing ? Why?

Catholics, Jews, etc have similar "rules". But that is OK, mmphh

They do? I never knew that Catholics that converted in, say, China were encouraged to change their names from Chen Ming Bao to, say, Giovanni Italiano and bow fives time a day toward Rome.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Ah pedantic are you? A little typo and that's you're only excuse but you still are an ignorant SOB.

You have this mad idea that there are no cultural differences between Islamic nations when it's self evident that of course there are.

That's an insult to SOB's and B's alike

 

[Ham Murabi]

I can think of nothing more noble that blowing the living fucking shit out of Muslim women and children - well, at least as long as other Muslims are doing it.

 

[BeWeBoy]

I'll be the first to admit that I dont know the first damn thing about Islam or any of that Quran or hijab shit. Hell, I can barely understand let alone tolerate the dumb ass religions like the "Cat-licker's"-Catholics, Methodism, Jehovas Witness, ect.. that I grew up around. But what I do know is that religion is what is wrong in the world today. We have terrorist running around killing, bombing, and decapitating Innocent people in the name of religion or "GOD". And on the flip-side we have these fanatical ass religious freaks on tv telling the populous that they have to send money if they want their souls saved.
Now if we take away the relgious aspect in this equation all'z that we are left with is a bunch of money grubbing, fanatical, homocidal maniacs that have absolutely no place in society what so ever. Now there are some "peacefull" religious worshiping people out there but there few and far between. But for the most part, anyone who truely believes in their religion will hold biases and hatred towards anyone whom is different or believes different than they do.

So even though my belief that all religious practices should be outlawed, I'm probably one the few who believe in this. Oh well thats my 2 cents on this topic so carry on with your arguing, fighting, killing, bombing, and maiming in the name of what ever you call a "GOD" or religion.

Hey this is where some come from and hits nail on head

 

[Rex1960]

They do? I never knew that Catholics that converted in, say, China were encouraged to change their names from Chen Ming Bao to, say, Giovanni Italiano and bow fives time a day toward Rome.

I tend to think that each religion has its rules and conditions.
Since you mention the catholic church here, what about the rosary, the prayers, what about the holy sacraments, what about the society of Saints. Those are concepts others may find kinda strange.
I'm a born, raised and confirmed protestant, though I don't practice as in going to church each sunday. I've always found the catholic practice of confessions weird. You execut a "sin" then you go and confess, all is good and next time you transgress again you just go and confess again.

 

[Rex1960]

I can think of nothing more noble that blowing the living fucking shit out of Muslim women and children - well, at least as long as other Muslims are doing it.

Nothing more noble ? You're full of shit, man

 

[Ishmael]

I tend to think that each religion has its rules and conditions.
Since you mention the catholic church here, what about the rosary, the prayers, what about the holy sacraments, what about the society of Saints. Those are concepts others may find kinda strange.
I'm a born, raised and confirmed protestant, though I don't practice as in going to church each sunday. I've always found the catholic practice of confessions weird. You execut a "sin" then you go and confess, all is good and next time you transgress again you just go and confess again.

As I understand it Rex, they can do them, or not do them without worry of penalty of death. (Or even eternal damnation, but I could be wrong there.)

Ishmael

 

[Gringao]

I tend to think that each religion has its rules and conditions.

Well of course. If it didn't it would be anything, much less a religion.

Since you mention the catholic church here, what about the rosary, the prayers, what about the holy sacraments, what about the society of Saints. Those are concepts others may find kinda strange.
I'm a born, raised and confirmed protestant, though I don't practice as in going to church each sunday. I've always found the catholic practice of confessions weird. You execut a "sin" then you go and confess, all is good and next time you transgress again you just go and confess again.

Read VS Naipaul and you'll see what I'm getting at.

 

[Rex1960]

As I understand it Rex, they can do them, or not do them without worry of penalty of death. (Or even eternal damnation, but I could be wrong there.)

Ishmael

The confession is one of the seven holy sacraments.
You can't go to heaven without them.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Nothing more noble ? You're full of shit, man

Well, yes.

 

[Rex1960]

Well of course. If it didn't it would be anything, much less a religion.

We always find something we can basically agree on.

 

[Ishmael]

The confession is one of the seven holy sacraments.
You can't go to heaven without them.

Is there a time limit or quota? And if you don't, do they kill ya? Condemn you as apostate?

You could only come up with one out of that list?

Ishmael

 

[cjh]

They do? I never knew that Catholics that converted in, say, China were encouraged to change their names from Chen Ming Bao to, say, Giovanni Italiano and bow fives time a day toward Rome.

the analogy is much closer than you care to admit with some branches of christianity. maybe fundamentalists don't change their names, but they sure as hell believe in rituals. and their religious beliefs control every aspect of their life.

Fundamentalism indicates a person's general approach to life which is typified by unyielding adherence to rigid doctrinal and ideological positions -- an approach that affects the individual's social and political attitudes as well as religious ones. Fundamentalism in this sense is found in non-Christian religions and can be doctrinal as well as biblical. But in this statement we are speaking only of biblical fundamentalism, presently attractive to some Christians, including some Catholics.

...

A further characteristic of biblical fundamentalism is that it tends to interpret the Bible as being always without error or as literally true in a way quite different from the Catholic Church's teaching on the inerrancy of the Bible. For some biblical fundamentalists, inerrancy extends even to scientific and historical matters. The Bible is presented without regard for its historical context and development.

http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5247

linked is an article from harper's entitled "soldiers of christ I: inside america's most powerful megachurch." it relates a high-tech ritual akin to praying to mecca.

After church, I walked across the parking lot to the World Prayer Center, where I watched prayers scroll over two giant flat-screen televisions while a young man played piano. The Prayer Center—a joint effort of several fundamentalist organizations but located at and presided over by New Life—houses a bookstore that when I visited was called the Arsenal (its name has since been changed to Solomon’s Porch), as well as “corporate” prayer rooms, personal “prayer closets,” hotel rooms, and the headquarters of Global Harvest, a ministry dedicated to “spiritual warfare.” (The Prayer Center’s nickname in the fundamentalist world is “spiritual NORAD.”)

. . .

In the chapel are several computer terminals, where one can sign on to the World Prayer Team and enter a prayer. Eventually one’s words will scroll across the large flat screens, as well as across the screens around the world, which as many as 70,000 other Prayer Team members are watching at any point in time. Prayers range from the mundane (real-estate deals and job situations demand frequent attention) to the urgent, such as this prayer request from “Rachel” of Colorado: Danielle. 15 months old. Temperature just shy of 105 degrees. Lethargic. Won’t eat.

Or this one from “Lauralee” of Vermont: If you never pray for anyone else, please choose this one! I’m in such pain I think I’m going to die; pray a healing MIRACLE for me for kidney problems (disease? failure?); I’m so alone; no insurance!

One might be tempted to see an implicit class politics in that last point, but to join the Prayer Team one must promise to refrain from explicitly political prayer. That is reserved for the professionals. The Prayer Team screen, whether viewed at the center or on a monitor at home, is split between “Individual Focus Requests,” such as the above, and “Worldwide Focus” requests, which are composed by the staff of the World Prayer Center. Sometimes these are domestic—USA: Pray for the Arlington Group, pastors working with Whitehouse to renew Marriage Amendm. Pray for appts. of new justices. Pray for Pastor meetings with Amb. of Israel, and President Bush. Lord, let them speak only your words, represent YOU! Bless! But more often they are international— N. KOREA: Pray God will crush demonic stronghold and communist regime of Kim Jung Il.

The Iraqis come up often, particularly with regard to their conversion: Despite the efforts of the news media, believing soldiers and others testify to the effective preaching of the Gospel, and the openness of so many to hear of Jesus. Pray for continued success!

Another prayer request puts numbers to that news—900,000 Bibles in the Arabic language distributed by Christians in Iraq . . . And one explicitly aligns the quest for democracy in Iraq with the quest for more Christians in Iraq: May the people stand for their rights, and open to the idea of making choices, such as studying the Bible . . .

The most common Iraq-related prayer requests, however, are strategic in the most worldly sense, such as this one: Baghdad—God, press back the enemy . . .

http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

you use a broad brush when you paint islam: every muslim is a radical fundamentalist. and you use a fine brush when you paint christianity: there are no dangerous irrational fundamentalists. it's a dishonest picture.

 

[Ishmael]

the analogy is much closer than you care to admit with some branches of christianity. maybe fundamentalists don't change their names, but they sure as hell believe in rituals. and their religious beliefs control every aspect of their life.




http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5247

linked is an article from harper's entitled "soldiers of christ I: inside america's most powerful megachurch." it relates a high-tech ritual akin to praying to mecca.



http://www.harpers.org/SoldiersOfChrist.html

you use a broad brush when you paint islam: every muslim is a radical fundamentalist. and you use a fine brush when you paint christianity: there are no dangerous irrational fundamentalists. it's a dishonest picture.

Google up all the happy horse shit you want. Show me were modern Christians declare others apostate and issue death warrants?

Get a life and get real. Delving into 'fucking idiot' land again. Just when I thought you might actually be sane.

Ishmael

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Google up all the happy horse shit you want. Show me were modern Christians declare others apostate and issue death warrants?

Obviously you've never run an abortion clinic.