Why Islam is disrespected

[Lovelynice]

The 'alternate reality' theory is that he was already dead when his head was severed. I suppose this makes it OK in the minds of some. But what about the others that 'lost their head' over Islam? Berg wasn't the only captive so treated. Were the others faked? If not, why is it so important to allege that the Berg beheading was faked? Does anyone else notice the logical disconnect here?

Ishmael

The medical reality is that he was in fact dead at the time of the corpse being beheaded.

Now since you want to be an idiot Ishmael, prepare to get your ass handed to you. You must be a masochist to try and argue this one. Idiot.

The video was a hoax. Time display discrepancies show that quite well, as does the skipping in frames, the obvious dubbing of the sound. It's definitely not real time in any way, shape, or form. It's also very apparent to experts in forensic medicine who have publicly analyzed the portrayed beheading that it's a fake.

1# The body doesn't move or struggle during the beheading.

2# The sound is definitely dubbed; the screaming starts 12 seconds before anybody even moves, and the sound slice is repeated, absolutely identical. Each Allah Akbar the exact same slice of sound, digitally copied and repeated.

3# For four frames near the end of the beheading sequence, the head is removed from the body and raised high in the air - THEN SUDDENLY IT'S BACK ON THE BODY AGAIN. So the video was heavily edited (and poorly edited too by incompetents)

4# There is no where near enough blood pouring from the head when it's removed. Lots of folks with commonsense notice that one.

5# Decapitations of living bodies ALWAYS involve lots of spurting blood (none on the crappy video), so obviously the body of Nick Berg was ALREADY DEAD. Was there any blood spurting everywhere? No, there wasn’t. In fact, THERE SHOULD BE BLOOD ALL OVER THE GUY WITH THE KNIFE, but even his blade is clean and shiny. Weird, huh?

6# Now, since we know that the sound was completely dubbed over, and it can be easily seen that the body is not struggling (it's a corpse, and they don't struggle much, and neither does this one), then it's apparent already that the screaming is fake too. So we can ignore claims that Nick Berg screamed and thrashed, because his corpse doesn't do that at all.


In the first three beheading videos, the victims were wearing the SAME ORANGE US-MILITARY issued prison outfit just like the other victims at US military prisons in Iraq such as Abu Ghraib.

 

[*******]

Did you miss the stories of uniforms of all makes and models being stolen during the time Bush was being accused of not sending in ENOUGH troops to properly secure the country?

I imagine they have stalls where you can buy orange prison jump suits.

They are taking splendidly to the idea of capitalism, why just last week I posted about the tremendous progress and valuation of their stock market.

Okay, so I'm supposed to believe the family AND the coroner are all in on the conspiracy...

Not a single whistleblower in an era where people will manufacture stories just to get to Bush...

Yeah.

Right.

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[*******]

I've simply GOT to give kudos to the chap who dubbed in the screams.

He had the accent cold.

Real panic too!

:Oscar:

 

[Lovelynice]

1) The walls in the Nick Berg video are the same color as those at Abu Ghraib prison. How likely is that? Maybe 10%

2) Nick Berg is shown seated in exactly the same model of Wal-Mart produced white plastic chair as those at Abu Ghraib prison. How likely is that some kidnappers are going to use exactly the same model of chair when they could've used arm-chairs, couches, stools, a bench, or any one of over 4,000 different designs of white plastic lawn chair? Maybe the odds are getting really bad with that one, maybe about 0.00025% if we're being optimistic.

3) Nick Berg is wearing an orange jumpsuit, exactly identical in design to the US-military issued orange jumpsuits. How likely is that? Just picking orange would be 1 in 7, but a jumpsuit...that's probably 1 in 100, and it's 1 in millions that the "terrorists" would just happen to dress Nick Berg in the same design as the US-military issued orange jumpsuits as seen in photos of both Abu Ghraib prison and at Gitmo.

4) The video has been heavily edited, with time-stamp jumps of upto ELEVEN HOURS (like just when the knife attack is about to happen) while the viewpoint hasn't changed. How likely is it that the "terrorists" are going to suddenly change the camera while trying to keep in almost exactly the same pose? maybe one in thousands.

5) The video audio track has been COMPLETELY DUBBED as shown when the screaming, etc starts a full TWELVE SECONDS before anything is happening and everyone is simply posing. So, obviously the sound-track can't be trusted as being connected in any way with the events shown. How likely it is that the "terrorists" just decide to re-dub the entire sound-track of the video rather than simply recording the sound with the video and not dubbing at all? That seems more than just unlikely, it makes absolutely no sense, so let's make that 1 in a million as well.

6) When the neck is cut on any living mammal, there is ALWAYS a lot of blood everywhere. Much of it will spray about covering everything nearby. Even with a decapitated animal, the heart will keep beating for a minute or more, despite the spinal-cord being severed. Yet, not only does the knife-guy not get covered in blood, and his arms remain clean, but HIS KNIFE BLADE AND HANDS ARE ALMOST CLEAN OF BLOOD AS WELL. How likely is that? ZERO. No chance at all.

7) During the portrayed attack, the body being attacked does not struggle or resist in anyway. Now, if he was drugged into a stupor, then who is doing the screaming? Answer, nobody...the sound-track was completely dubbed remember. Neither does his face showing any sign of emotion or tension or pain. Medical forensics experts and doctors have basically said the video is a hoax, and that's a dead body being decapitated. How likely is it that "terrorists" decide to kill the victim, then try to do a beheading after the guy is dead while re-doing the sound-track to add in screaming, and all those other things mentioned? ZERO, or if we're REALLY AMAZINGLY optimistic, 1 in trillions!!!

8) In the background of the sound-track, barely audible but you can hear it if you some good big speakers and have the volume turned up LOUD, you can hear a guy say "...will be done?" How likely it is that fundamentalist "Arab terrorists" are going to speak English to each other rather the Arabic? Bloody unlikely.

Basically the Nick Berg video is a hoax.


http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Exactly same model of plastic lawn chair (one of 4,000 designs produced)
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image002.jpg




http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image005.jpg
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image004.jpg http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Same orange US military prison outfits


This image is from Abu Ghraib prison...they wore orange there too (not all wore sackcloth or kept naked) http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image007.jpg

Every thing there is pretty much the same color.

I thought you would have noticed by now.

Yes I did. So did lots of people.

 

[*******]

Every thing there is pretty much the same color.

I thought you would have noticed by now.

Same for Palestine or Afghanistan...



Trust me, Mohammed HAS to go to the mount 'cause it ain't coming to him.

More human than human!
More human than human!

More human than human!

 

[Big_Drum]

Everything there is pretty much the same color.

LMFAO - Of course it is! Same fucking orange jumpsuits!

 

[Big_Drum]

Still trying to pretend the Nick Berg video was done by a muslim vampire?

The video with Nick Berg's beheading that was titled "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi kills an American" was made more than 18 months after Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had already died (he's been dead since his house got blown up by US fighter-bombers in April 2003. His death was reported by the BBC, MSNBC, and is admitted by the MI6 and CIA). It's also the most obvious fake psyop bit of video of the whole lot. Like the Paul Johnson and Kim il-Sun beheading videos, the victims were wearing Abu Ghraib orange US-prison outfits. Paul Johnson was grabbed by Saudi Police before suddenly appearing on a beheading video, and when witnesses came forward to say this, the new spin about his kidnapping was that these "terrorists" had managed to steal Saudi police vehicles as well.


The Nick Berg beheading video fake was a failure and most people quickly realised it was all BS.

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32694.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32604.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-39224.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-37435.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32610.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32567.html


The suspicions about the Nick Berg video were also published in non-US mainstream newspapers.
The Sydney Morning Herald - a very conservative newspaper.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/28/1085641717320.html

Also Asia Times Online had an interview with experts in forensic medicine who said it was fake, and they weren't the only ones. There've been heaps of doctors saying the video was fake too.

From an email that has been making the rounds of the internet for over a year;

HOW STRANGE ARE BUSHWANKERS? ---

Let's look at the beliefs of those who keep saying that the Nick Berg Video isn't a hoax or cover-up about how he really died, or who did it.
According to their version of reality they believe the following;

1) Living human beings don't struggle or move in the slightest while somebody is busy trying to cut their head off.

2) It’s perfectly normal that when a living human’s head is cut off that there is hardly any blood at all. No more than two cups worth at most.

3) Cutting a living human’s head off, it is perfectly normal for the blade to remain almost completely unstained by any blood, and there is never any blood splashed all over the arms and hands of the person doing the cutting.

4) It’s perfectly normal for a living person to show absolutely no facial expression while having their head sawed-off.

5) Unlike other living creatures, living humans always appear completely dead prior to having their head hacked-off.

6) Unlike other living creatures, humans have two kinds of blood circulation – when their limbs are cut-off there are always huge quantities of blood spraying around, but when they heads are cut-off they hardly bleed at all.

7) Unlike other living creatures, when a human suffers severe head trauma or has their head cut-off they never have muscle convulsions or show any other reflex actions in response to the injury.

8) Unlike other living creatures, humans who are being killed can scream and yell without moving their mouth or any other facial muscle, and do this so well that they appear completely dead already. It's such a problem that to achieve "realism" the screaming and yelling must be dubbed onto recordings instead..and just to make sure of "realism" the screaming and yelling must be dubbed so as to start on all video recordings several long seconds before anything else happens and while everyone is still standing around posing..... but this is completely normal.

9) When trying to hide their identitities, all terrorists wear masks, but just to make sure everyone knows who to credit, the masked terrorists who are trying to hide their identity also sign their name onto any videos that they release. This is the standard operating method of hiding their identity while making sure that everyone knows who the fuck they are. There is no contradiction in this, and it is meant to make things a little easier for the CIA these days as we all know how incompetent they've become recently. (Yes, the terror-ists really feel sorry for the CIA's recent fuck-ups about mistaking British-made artillery-balloon trucks for Mobile Biowarfare Labs, and not being able to find Osama).

10) Many terror-ists are vampires. Yes, it's hard to believe to the rest of us, but this is a firm belief of the Bushwankers under Prezident Shrub. You see according to their view of the world, these raghead terror-ists include guys like Al Zaqwari who although being previously dead (killed in Fallujah in April 2003 according to the CIA), he has been able to RISE FROM THE GRAVE and regrow a new leg to replace his old prosthetic one just in time to help his old ally Prezident Shrub out of a bit of jam due to some messy torture scandal in Iraq recently. Like other terror-ists, he recently made a video-clip with him wearing a mask to hide his identity while making sure that everyone knew who-fuck-he-is by putting his name on the credits.

11) The US-military-run Abu Graib prison in Baghdad has yellow walls identical to those in the background of the video, but this is just a coincidence. Among the Abu Graib prison scandal pictures, pfc Lyndie England is sitting upon a white plastic chair that is exactly identical to the white plastic chair that Nick Berg is sitting upon in the video, but this is just a coincidence. In Abu Graib prison, as in most other US-military-run prisons, the standard prisoner uniform is an orange jumpsuit identical in appearance to the orange jumpsuit of military appearance worn by Nick Berg in the video, but this is just a coincidence. Although it does seem rather beyond the realms of belief that there could be so many coincidentally identical features in the video that are identical to those of Abu Graib prison,and though perhaps being a trillions-to-one longshot to have so many identical details...well, these things happen quite often you know...

Thank you for your time in reading this, and I hope that it will help to explain the strange delusions of the Bushwanker culture for you

That was pretty funny. Where'd you find it?

 

[Veryknowing]

http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Exactly same model of plastic lawn chair (one of 4,000 designs produced)
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image002.jpg




http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image005.jpg
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image004.jpg http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Same orange US military prison outfits


This image is from Abu Ghraib prison...they wore orange there too (not all wore sackcloth or kept naked) http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image007.jpg

Every thing there is pretty much the same color.

I thought you would have noticed by now.

Lovelynice: Yes I did. So did lots of people.

Everything there is pretty much the same color.

LMFAO - Of course it is! Same fucking orange jumpsuits!

Even the videos of Paul Johnson and Kim il-Sun show them in those orange US military-issued prison jumpsuits, same as Nick Berg in those pictures Lovelynice posted. Pretty damning - and ******* stepped right in and stuck his foot firmly in his own mouth.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Moral relativism? In an age where fiction becomes 'serious allegations', allegations become 'fact', and fact becomes 'propoganda'. It goes beyond moral relativism and starts to border on alternate realities.

Ishmael

You mean like your delusions about native Americans?

 

[BeWeBoy]

You mean like your delusions about native Americans?

So what are the facts to native Americans ? Please enquiring minds need to know.

 

[Iced_Cherry]

So what are the facts to native Americans ? Please enquiring minds need to know.

Maybe you should ask Ishmael that question, since he's the one with the odd delusions - then you could tell for yourself.

 

[BeWeBoy]

Maybe you should ask Ishmael that question, since he's the one with the odd delusions - then you could tell for yourself.

Just waiting to see who can educate me as being a newbie my opinion of the personalities around here is not set in stone yet.

Very aware there are a few who are deluded, whether it be politicaly or the penis size thing ??

 

[Lovelynice]

In which Islamic country are terrorist attacks NOT taking place?

In which country ANYWHERE are terrorist attacks not taking place?

 

[*******]

Canada?

Hasn't been one in the US since 9-11, unless you want to count HBO's Fall lineup...

 

[*******]

Those suits aren't even the same cut and the walls are not only two different colors, but two different materials.

Give it up...

 

[Rex1960]

In which country ANYWHERE are terrorist attacks not taking place?

Norway, Finland, Iceland, Luxemburg, Monaco, Andorra, Czech Republic, .... to name a few.



Do you want them in alphabetical order by continent ?

 

[Lovelynice]

Norway, Finland, Iceland, Luxemburg, Monaco, Andorra, Czech Republic, .... to name a few.



Do you want them in alphabetical order by continent ?

Better drop Finland from that List

Finland Regardless of whether an organised group or a crazed individual was behind the mall blast, which was described bluntly by Lipponen as "an act of terror", it is certain to shock residents of a country that has hitherto remained mercifully free of such violence. Saturday updated 12.00 and 16.30: Bomb confirmed as cause for shopping mall blast; death toll rises to seven in "act of terror"; police say suspect was among the victims.

I've got to go to bed, but I've already read in the news ages ago about car bombs exploding in the Czech Republic, and bombings in Norway. I'm pretty sure there isn't a country in the world that doesn't have to worry about terrorism.

 

[Lovelynice]

Those suits aren't even the same cut and the walls are not only two different colors, but two different materials.

Give it up...

And you're full of crappy excuses.



http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Exactly same model of plastic lawn chair (one of 4,000 designs produced)
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image002.jpg




http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image005.jpg
http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image004.jpg http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image003.jpg
Same orange US military prison outfits


This image is from Abu Ghraib prison...they wore orange there too (not all wore sackcloth or kept naked) http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~daljinspace/Nick_Berg_killing.files/image007.jpg

 

[2ndSight]

Canada?

Hasn't been one in the US since 9-11, unless you want to count HBO's Fall lineup...

No threat of terrorism in Canada? The worst terrorist act in aviation history prior to September 11th was the Air India bombing in 1985. The bombs were made and planted in Vancouver, and the 329 people killed, including 82 children, were mostly Canadians.

According to official Canadian government sources, no reliable list of terrorist incidents in Canada exists. An unofficial estimate, however, puts the number of Canadians killed by terrorists both in Canada and overseas since 1968 at roughly 294 persons. This figure includes 279 Canadian citizens among a total of 329 persons killed in 1985 when a bomb exploded aboard an Air India flight en route from Montréal, Québec, to London, England.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...errorists,+exploded,+quebec+"explosion"&hl=en


Mysterious group has claimed responsibility for an apparent bomb attack on a Hydro-Quebec tower.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1102370147386_11/?hub=TopStories

 

[BeWeBoy]

Can everuone get dictionary out and lookup

Terrorist

and

Guerrilla

This could provide some distintions as to the truth of whats going on out there

LOL

 

[Left-me]

I feel no disrespect for Islam at all....just certian individuals that happen to be Islamic!!!

 

[Iced_Cherry]

Just waiting to see who can educate me as being a newbie my opinion of the personalities around here is not set in stone yet.

Nobody. You have to work it out for yourself, and it shouldn't be too hard with some.

 

[Karen Kraft]

Islam is a religion. Fundamental Islamic culture is not. It is no more a religion than Communism was. It is a political movement that draws its zealots from the hijacked religion that once was known as Islam. People who sincerely believe in the teaching of Islam have as little to do with the actions of the Zealots as members of the Jewish faith might have with the political movement known as Zionism.

When people confuse faith and political action, they often slide down the slippery slope to bigotry.

... and my saying so (and your believing it) will never change that fact.

 

[landslider]

"Johns" Hopkins.

 

[BeWeBoy]

Yeah I know, as in life work it out for ones self, like real life.

Most responses to my posts reflect the picture.

Amazing how people have to tear each other down, thankfully there are those that break this mold.