Why Islam is disrespected

[Le Jacquelope]

One might easily ask you the same question based on your post.

1) The UN imposed sanctions, not the US and UK. Even you should know this.

2) 2 Million people didn't die because of the sanctions, they died because Saddam was busy building huge mosques (two of the biggest after the 3 main holy sites of Islam) and sending $25,000 dollars to the family of every suicide bomber.

But why let facts get in your way of rewriting history?

Saddam sent $25K to the family of every suicide bomber? I'd like to see proof of that.

 

[BeWeBoy]

Techy..

Has anyone else noted that every time some new 'atrocity' comes to light it is once again "The worst thing you can do to offend muslims"?

They're just so techy...yeesh

I am not Muslim I do not live in a developed country, however I am human (last time I checked anyway) and I am able to empathise with basic human emotions---joy, sadness etc. If I was amuslim I would probably be as pissed off as they collectivly seem to be.

How do I know this-- wello I get mighty mad about the destruction of the natural systems that give water, oxygen and food to sustain my life along with everyone elses, including muslims and Americans. And when I see the callous disregard for this system, a system of amazing intricacy etc and one of the main offenders nationally is the good old USA, 15% of the global population consuming 45% or so of the GLOBAL resources.

Perhaps this is why thankfully some 150 ish majors in that country have committed their towns and cities to tackle this issue even if federally it is not being acknowledged by that war hero GW Bush.

What does the w stand for could some one tell me as I reckon it is WANKER and he gives the people of that country an unfair reputation. Why, because of his desire etc and I do not believe he actually represents the majority of the populations character.

 

[Gringao]

You pointed out an embargo that was minor in comparison to that imposed by the sanctions on Iraq. Then you tried to pretend it was equivalent, when it wasn't. It seems you have a problem understanding that the rest of us aren't fooled.

I did no such thing. Immediately after the assertion that the US would consider it an act of war, I asked for examples of military action the US took after the Arabs embargoed us in the 1970s. I have yet to read about a single shot being fired in anger over that 'act of war.' This leads me to believe that the one asserting it was inaccurate.

 

[Gringao]

But later it was found to be true as all other witnesses and other news reports and even the International Red Cross confirmed.

The embarrassment for Newsweek was that they backed-down under political pressure but now everyone knows the koran story was true, and similar insulting treatment of the Islamic holy book had been committed many times by US soldiers and interrogators (and torturers) since 2002.

The Red Cross repeated the same allegation from the same detainee, who now says the story wasn't true.

And if it was, who gives a shit?

 

[Gringao]

Saddam sent $25K to the family of every suicide bomber? I'd like to see proof of that.

Ask and ye shall receive:

Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.

Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques....

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000.

 

[BeWeBoy]

The Red Cross repeated the same allegation from the same detainee, who now says the story wasn't true.

And if it was, who gives a shit?

The guy who uses the can next.....

 

[zipman]

1) The UN imposed sanctions under pressure from the USA and UK which only used the UN to legitimize their actions. It was also the UK and USA which primarily enforced those sanctions. Even you should know this.

2) Crap. According to the UN, those 2 million people died as a direct result of those sanctions, not from all that other rubbish you mention. They died because of poor medical care, lack of vital medicines which were extremely limited to insanely low quantities, and numerous diseases due to the inability to properly repair power stations, sewerage treatment facilities, and even water treatment facilities which were bombed by the USA and UK during the Gulf War in breach of the Geneva Convention and International Law.

But why let facts get in the way of your excuses? Facts never stopped the USA and UK governments lying about WMDs in Iraq.

1) But the UN agreed with the sanctions and supported the enforcement of them. Your obvious bias and anti-US and anti-UK agenda just can't deal with it. Those sanctions were UN sanctions regardless of what twisted logic you apply.

2) If Saddam chose to use whatever money he had to build mosques and palaces and donating $25,000 to each family of a suicide bomber instead of buying medicine for the children in his country then he should be held accountable for it. Or are western leaders the only ones you hold accountable?

As always, your distortion of facts renders your argument bullshit.

 

[zipman]

But later it was found to be true as all other witnesses and other news reports and even the International Red Cross confirmed.

The embarrassment for Newsweek was that they backed-down under political pressure but now everyone knows the koran story was true, and similar insulting treatment of the Islamic holy book had been committed many times by US soldiers and interrogators (and torturers) since 2002.

Actually, there were about 5 instances of mistreatment of the Koran from 2002 to 2003, 3 of which were minor. The flushing down the toilet never happened and after a red cross report in 2003, no further mishandling was reported. That is a far cry from what newsweek reported.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Ask and ye shall receive:

Saddam Hussein has paid out thousands of dollars to families of Palestinians killed in fighting with Israel.

Relatives of at least one suicide attacker as well as other militants and civilians gathered in a hall in Gaza City to receive cheques....

The party estimated that Iraq had paid out $35m to Palestinian families since the current uprising began in September 2000.

That's not every family as Zipman said, but it's close enough for a credibility point. That would make justify Israelis being interested in putting Saddam down, even if we're still waiting for evidence of his Al Qaeda link.

 

[Silvergirl]

The flushing down the toilet never happened ....

You love to spread lies don't you?



The Philadelphia Inquirer, Jan. 20, 2005
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/10685611.htm
Lawyers allege abuse of 12 at Guantanamo

By Frank Davies
Inquirer Washington Bureau

[.......................]

Some detainees complained of religious humiliation, saying guards had defaced their copies of the Koran and, in one case, had thrown it in a toilet, said Kristine Huskey [an attorney in Washington, D.C.], who interviewed clients late last month. Others said that pills were hidden in their food and that people came to their cells claiming to be their attorneys, to gain information.

"All have been physically abused, and, however you define the term, the treatment of these men crossed the line," [attorney Tom] Wilner said. "There was torture, make no mistake about it." ...


The Center for Constitutional Rights, New York City, NY and linked as a footnote in a Human Rights Watch report
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...tanamo+Koran+pages+ripped&hl=en&client=safari

They were never given prayer mats and initially they didn't get a Koran. When the Korans were provided, they were kicked and thrown about by the guards and on occasion thrown in the buckets used for the toilets. This kept happening. When it happened it was always said to be an accident but it was a recurrent theme.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...tanamo+Koran+pages+ripped&hl=en&client=safari

Asif says that `it was impossible to pray because initially we did not know the direction to pray, but also given that we couldn't move and the harassment from the guards, it was simply not feasible. The behaviour of the guards towards our religious practices as well as the Koran was also, in my view, designed to cause us as much distress as possible. They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it. It is clear to me that the conditions in our cells and our general treatment were designed by the officers in charge of the interrogation process to "soften us up"'.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...tanamo+Koran+pages+ripped&hl=en&client=safari

Statement of Shafiq Rasul, Asif Iqbal and Rhuhel Ahmed, "Detention in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay," released publicly on August 4, 2004, para. 72, 74, available online at:
http://www.ccr- ny.org/v2/reports/docs/
Gitmo=compositestatementFINAL23july04.pdf,
accessed on August 19, 2004. The disrespect of the Koran by guards at Camp X-Ray was one of the factors prompting a hunger strike. Ibid., para. 111-117.


The toilet incident was reported in the Washington Post in a 2003 interview with a former detainee from Afghanistan:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A29276-2003Mar25&notFound=true

"Ehsannullah, 29, said American soldiers who initially questioned him in Kandahar before shipping him to Guantanamo hit him and taunted him by dumping the Koran in a toilet. 'It was a very bad situation for us,' said Ehsannullah, who comes from the home region of the Taliban leader, Mohammad Omar. 'We cried so much and shouted, "Please do not do that to the Holy Koran."' (Marc Kaufman and April Witt, "Out of Legal Limbo, Some Tell of Mistreatment," Washington Post, March 26, 2003.)




It looks as if your claim about no korans being flushed down toilets is just more rubbish

 

[*******]

In which Islamic country are terrorist attacks NOT taking place?

Did they give Nick Berg access to a Bible or Torah before sawing his head off?

Ya'll pick st-st-st-sta-range allies...

I sincerely doubt that Bush is worth all your effort, but, hey, who am I to judge in an age of moral relativism? Go ahead and hate. Burn your candle at both ends. See if I care. Eventually it leads to apathy and that's EXACTLY where I want the Left to be at this point in history.

 

[*******]

That's why the support the troops but hate the mission crowd is full of bullshit.

The word of an enemy combatant rates higher than the US military's word.

Fuck the soldiers! They're targeting civilians. They're Bay-Bee Killers. Sounds like the same chants I was discharged to back in the 70's. Ya'll ain't changed one little bit and I used to be on your team. Now, I'm a NEO-CONN...

 

[Lovelynice]

Sanctions are a form of forced embargo, and yes they do result in plenty. Inaction is when you do nothing at all.

If a group of nations were to completely embargo all American trade, the USA would consider that an act of war - because it would be.

Like the Arab oil embargo in the 1970s? Can you relate the details of our conquest of Arabia as a result of that 'act of war?'

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The oil embargo of the 1970s doesn't compare to what the USA & UK did to Iraq with the sanctions.

Imagine this situation; the USA gets all trade restricted in the same way as they did to Iraq. Trade is reduced to a mere fraction, food is reduced to what they can trade oil for, and the USA economy has been devastated already by bombardment of water, sewerage, and power facilities that can barely be kept operating. 2 million Iraqi civilians died due to those sanctions which were described as an act of attempted genocide because nearly one million Iraqi children died as well. If the same proportion of the USA's population had been affected equally as badly, that would mean 20-30 million civilians dying (including at least 10 million children).
.....

VK posited that an embargo againt the US would be considered an act of war, the implication being that we would respond violently. I pointed to an embargo and asked him to describe our military response to it. Is that so hard to understand?
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You posited an embargo that was nothing like what VK was talking about. Read what he said again; (( completely embargo all American trade, )) that's a lot more than some embargo on only oil........he meant an embargo on the level of what the USA and UK sponsored sanctions imposed on Iraq.

You also attempted to distort and misrepresent what VK said.

It seems to be a habit of yours, as if you don't have the confidence to win an argument without trying to misrepresent and lie about what the other person has said.

 

[Ishmael]

In which Islamic country are terrorist attacks NOT taking place?

Did they give Nick Berg access to a Bible or Torah before sawing his head off?

Ya'll pick st-st-st-sta-range allies...

I sincerely doubt that Bush is worth all your effort, but, hey, who am I to judge in an age of moral relativism? Go ahead and hate. Burn your candle at both ends. See if I care. Eventually it leads to apathy and that's EXACTLY where I want the Left to be at this point in history.

Moral relativism? In an age where fiction becomes 'serious allegations', allegations become 'fact', and fact becomes 'propoganda'. It goes beyond moral relativism and starts to border on alternate realities.

Ishmael

 

[Lovelynice]

Did they give Nick Berg access to a Bible or Torah before sawing his head off?

Still trying to pretend the Nick Berg video was done by a muslim vampire?

The video with Nick Berg's beheading that was titled "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi kills an American" was made more than 18 months after Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had already died (he's been dead since his house got blown up by US fighter-bombers in April 2003. His death was reported by the BBC, MSNBC, and is admitted by the MI6 and CIA). It's also the most obvious fake psyop bit of video of the whole lot. Like the Paul Johnson and Kim il-Sun beheading videos, the victims were wearing Abu Ghraib orange US-prison outfits. Paul Johnson was grabbed by Saudi Police before suddenly appearing on a beheading video, and when witnesses came forward to say this, the new spin about his kidnapping was that these "terrorists" had managed to steal Saudi police vehicles as well.


The Nick Berg beheading video fake was a failure and most people quickly realised it was all BS.

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32694.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32604.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-39224.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-37435.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32610.html

http://www.bestandworst.com/pages/voteresult/voteresult-32567.html


The suspicions about the Nick Berg video were also published in non-US mainstream newspapers.
The Sydney Morning Herald - a very conservative newspaper.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/05/28/1085641717320.html

Also Asia Times Online had an interview with experts in forensic medicine who said it was fake, and they weren't the only ones. There've been heaps of doctors saying the video was fake too.

From an email that has been making the rounds of the internet for over a year;

HOW STRANGE ARE BUSHWANKERS? ---

Let's look at the beliefs of those who keep saying that the Nick Berg Video isn't a hoax or cover-up about how he really died, or who did it.
According to their version of reality they believe the following;

1) Living human beings don't struggle or move in the slightest while somebody is busy trying to cut their head off.

2) It’s perfectly normal that when a living human’s head is cut off that there is hardly any blood at all. No more than two cups worth at most.

3) Cutting a living human’s head off, it is perfectly normal for the blade to remain almost completely unstained by any blood, and there is never any blood splashed all over the arms and hands of the person doing the cutting.

4) It’s perfectly normal for a living person to show absolutely no facial expression while having their head sawed-off.

5) Unlike other living creatures, living humans always appear completely dead prior to having their head hacked-off.

6) Unlike other living creatures, humans have two kinds of blood circulation – when their limbs are cut-off there are always huge quantities of blood spraying around, but when they heads are cut-off they hardly bleed at all.

7) Unlike other living creatures, when a human suffers severe head trauma or has their head cut-off they never have muscle convulsions or show any other reflex actions in response to the injury.

8) Unlike other living creatures, humans who are being killed can scream and yell without moving their mouth or any other facial muscle, and do this so well that they appear completely dead already. It's such a problem that to achieve "realism" the screaming and yelling must be dubbed onto recordings instead..and just to make sure of "realism" the screaming and yelling must be dubbed so as to start on all video recordings several long seconds before anything else happens and while everyone is still standing around posing..... but this is completely normal.

9) When trying to hide their identitities, all terrorists wear masks, but just to make sure everyone knows who to credit, the masked terrorists who are trying to hide their identity also sign their name onto any videos that they release. This is the standard operating method of hiding their identity while making sure that everyone knows who the fuck they are. There is no contradiction in this, and it is meant to make things a little easier for the CIA these days as we all know how incompetent they've become recently. (Yes, the terror-ists really feel sorry for the CIA's recent fuck-ups about mistaking British-made artillery-balloon trucks for Mobile Biowarfare Labs, and not being able to find Osama).

10) Many terror-ists are vampires. Yes, it's hard to believe to the rest of us, but this is a firm belief of the Bushwankers under Prezident Shrub. You see according to their view of the world, these raghead terror-ists include guys like Al Zaqwari who although being previously dead (killed in Fallujah in April 2003 according to the CIA), he has been able to RISE FROM THE GRAVE and regrow a new leg to replace his old prosthetic one just in time to help his old ally Prezident Shrub out of a bit of jam due to some messy torture scandal in Iraq recently. Like other terror-ists, he recently made a video-clip with him wearing a mask to hide his identity while making sure that everyone knew who-fuck-he-is by putting his name on the credits.

11) The US-military-run Abu Graib prison in Baghdad has yellow walls identical to those in the background of the video, but this is just a coincidence. Among the Abu Graib prison scandal pictures, pfc Lyndie England is sitting upon a white plastic chair that is exactly identical to the white plastic chair that Nick Berg is sitting upon in the video, but this is just a coincidence. In Abu Graib prison, as in most other US-military-run prisons, the standard prisoner uniform is an orange jumpsuit identical in appearance to the orange jumpsuit of military appearance worn by Nick Berg in the video, but this is just a coincidence. Although it does seem rather beyond the realms of belief that there could be so many coincidentally identical features in the video that are identical to those of Abu Graib prison,and though perhaps being a trillions-to-one longshot to have so many identical details...well, these things happen quite often you know...

Thank you for your time in reading this, and I hope that it will help to explain the strange delusions of the Bushwanker culture for you

 

[Guest]

 

[*******]

What was Tom Wolfe's booK?

The Electric Acid Cool Aid Test?

Timothy Leary counting his heartbeats to tell time and freaking out the researchers...

You know, when I was a Liberal, I musta done at least a thousand hits and gagged down, I don't know how many pounds of 'shrooms, but what I was like then, they seem to be now. But don't worry. Despite all the anger and invective, it's a warm happy place to be in especially when you're with someone of the opposite sex (or reasonable facsimile thereof) who's good at talking you down and then taking you down..., but I digress. What the hell were we even talking about?

Oh yeah, how Liberals = spittle with support. Those solders are symbols!

 

[*******]

I second the motion T...

Is it 'shrooms or blotter?

 

[*******]

They found the head.

Is it your theory that he killed himself ala Abu Nidal?

 

[Lovelynice]

"Dumbest Post of the Year Award" ^^^

Congratulations - You earned it

 

[*******]

Maybe he couldn't stand up to the pressure of having underwear on his head and seeing a Bible flushed, so he took his trusty wooden shiv and sawed his own fucking head off in shame...

 

[Guest]

 

[Lovelynice]

They found the head.

Is it your theory that he killed himself ala Abu Nidal?

Finding a head doesn't prove the video was made by muslims or was a real live beheading. Try harder.

 

[Lovelynice]

In the incident in Japan where an elementary schoolgirl killed another schoolgirl in the same grade with a boxcutter knife, the killer-girl was stunned by how much blood she was covered with. She'd cut her friend's neck,and there was so much blood that even though this killer spent 15 minutes trying to clean it off, she only managed to clean off about 1% of it. That's what's wrong with this Nick Berg video...in REAL LIFE there are litres of blood everywhere, and the killer should've been covered everywhere in the enormous quantities of blood - but his blade is almost clean, and he has no visible blood on him. Anyone with a bit of sense can tell the damn video was a hoax. If that's Nick Berg, then he was dead before the beheading...or he was the world's most anaemic human being.

More on the schoolgirl killer incident in Japan. There was so much blood sprayed around the room, like what you'd expect, that the school authorities have had to refurbish the room including not only the floor and all four walls, but the CEILING AS WELL!!! The girl who cut the other girl's neck was soaked from head to toe with blood, despite trying to clean herself up, and her clothes were completely sodden. That's what happens in real life. Blood everywhere, lots and lots of blood, even on the ceiling, on the walls, not only the floor...blood sprayed around upto SIX METRES AWAY.

The schoolgirl who did this murder had seen the Nick Berg video, downloaded from the internet, and was surprised that in real life there is really so much more blood than was shown in the fake Nick Berg video decapitation.

That's how it works in real life.

The body that was beheaded was already dead; no black helicopters, no UFOs, just another stupidly made hoax that fails from lack of intelligence by an arrogantly dumb and incompetent bunch of fools at Abu Ghraib; the torture prison that like Gitmo has been a place where the US military have utterly ignored the Geneva Convention, International Law, the US Constitution, US Laws, and the treaties which the US government signed and ratified.


In an interview with NPR, researcher and cyber-terrorism expert Gabriel Weimann has confirmed that the recent terror websites that have posted beheading videos and pictures have been uploading their files from London and Texas. This interview confirms the information that JackBlood.com has been reporting since the Nick Berg beheading video was posted on the Al-Ansar Islamic websites last May of 2004.

The video is a fake.

Dr John Simpson, executive director for surgical affairs at the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons, told Ritt Goldstein of the Asia Times, "I would have thought that all the people in the vicinity would have been covered in blood, in a matter of seconds ... if it [the video] was genuine".

 

[Ishmael]

They found the head.

Is it your theory that he killed himself ala Abu Nidal?

The 'alternate reality' theory is that he was already dead when his head was severed. I suppose this makes it OK in the minds of some. But what about the others that 'lost their head' over Islam? Berg wasn't the only captive so treated. Were the others faked? If not, why is it so important to allege that the Berg beheading was faked? Does anyone else notice the logical disconnect here?

Ishmael