Why Islam is disrespected

[Veryknowing]

Kenneth Pollack's views have been rather "flexible" over the last 5 years depending on current attitudes and intelligence.

Why use him as a standard?

Pollack says whatever someone pays him to say. He hasn't any real credibility left, except rightwingers and the Bush administration prefer to hear his BS rather than the truth.

 

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That's nice. Were they living in a hotel in Kuwait perhaps?

I just talked to a US soldier a few days ago who was based in the Green Zone in Baghdad and said that they were attacked and bombed so frequently that at times it seemed almost hourly. He was only going back home for a week and then being sent right back to Iraq again.

Well, duh...

Heart of the conflict and all.

 

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That report that Lovelynice cited is originally from the New Zealand Herald. It's not an "anti-semitic" tract as you called it, it's a report on an investigation into the criminal activities of a homicidal Mossad agent known as Zev Barkan who is now wanted by Interpol.

He's been spotted in North Korea too.

Very shady, very nasty guy.

You should be aware before you go mouthing off that Mossad agents have been caught out engaged in criminal activities involving passport fraud in New Zealand and Australia. The New Zealand PM, Helen Clark has been demanding an official apology from Israel for months about these criminal activities by Mossad agents in New Zealand.


'Mossad spies' jailed over New Zealand passport fraud

"The breach of New Zealand laws and sovereignty by agents of the Israeli government has seriously strained our relationship with Israel," said the prime minister, Helen Clark.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable internationally by any country. It is a sorry indictment of Israel that it has again taken such actions against a country with which it has friendly relations."



LN isn't batty -

instead you're fucking stupid. Instant knee-jerk reaction and you prove you have no brains.

Ya'll taking ONE individual and applying that to an organization.

Whoever peeps works for is fucked...

 

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There are several different studies that have come up with that figure, the one from John Hopkins University which was reported in the Lancet is just one of those.

You haven't discredited it, and neither has anybody else - yet.

You're jumping the gun claiming it was discredited when it hasn't been. It has been questioned, it's controversial, but it hasn't been discredited and your ignorance of this can only be called willful.

Not being discredited is not logically equivalent to being credited...

Hell, they still don't have a final tally on the mass graves.

Don't even know if all of them have been located.

 

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What number of civilian casualties is considered acceptable?

There's blood on America's hands. You're arguing that it isn't much blood.

1. Ask the fundamentalists the same fucking question. THe answer may shock you. To them, ALL non-muslims are "little Eichmanns..."

2. Compared to the numbers of people killed by muslims on an annual basis, we come off cleaner than OJ even.

 

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Do you honestly think Saddam was going to attack the US?

Do you really honestly believe that Saddam was NOT supporting and abeiting terrorism?

 

[Ishmael]

Do you really honestly believe that Saddam was NOT supporting and abeiting terrorism?

You know what the problem is don't you? There are those that see Iraq as an isolated entity. They can't, or refuse, to see Iraq as an important component of a larger structure.

Ishmael

 

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Exactly.

You know, in the 1870’s, people in America were being terrorized!

Shootings and explosions all the time.

Rustlin’ too…

I heard some feller on the radio talkin' about how the South waged a bloody two year terror campaign to get the Northern troops out after the war that actually worked.

 

[Iced_Cherry]

It's no more a war zone than LA in the summer of a Piston's game up in New Fallujiah.

I talked to the soldiers who just came back. They area they were in was completely pacified. They were never even shot at...

That's nice. Were they living in a hotel in Kuwait perhaps?

I just talked to a US soldier a few days ago who was based in the Green Zone in Baghdad and said that they were attacked and bombed so frequently that at times it seemed almost hourly. He was only going back home for a week and then being sent right back to Iraq again.

Well, duh...

Heart of the conflict and all.

Let's see now;

Asterix-twit says "It's no more a war zone than LA"
Lovelynice says basically "oh yes, it is a war zone"
Then asterix-twit suddenly changes his mind and admits it's a war zone.

What's the matter, *******? Can't you make up your mind?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

Do you really honestly believe that Saddam was NOT supporting and abeiting terrorism?

He had absolutely no ties with, or support of Al Queda and the govt of the USA admitted it. This was long after smarter people than you all over the world had been saying right from the very beginning of those US govt encouraged lies and distortions about Saddam Hussein having ties to Al Queda that they were all horseshit.

Why haven't you noticed?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

2. Compared to the numbers of people killed by muslims on an annual basis, we come off cleaner than OJ even.

Now you are definitely talking out of your ass.

Do you have a link showing that this dumb claim of yours has any validity, or do you just drug yourself and dream it all up?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

Not being discredited is not logically equivalent to being credited...

Hell, they still don't have a final tally on the mass graves.

Don't even know if all of them have been located.

Are you referring to the mass graves filled with the bodies of dead soldiers from the Iran-Iraq War of the 1980s?

That's the only mass graves that have been found, and the Iranian govt says those dead soldiers are theirs.

 

[*******]

They buried them in Kurdistan?

Huh?

Are you one of those, "The Holocaust Never Occured'" people?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

Ya'll taking ONE individual and applying that to an organization.

Whoever peeps works for is fucked...

Wasn't it you who took news reports about ONE individual being investigated for engaging in criminal activities while working for the Israeli Mossad and then started claiming that because the criminal worked for Israel that the news report was "anti-semitic"???

You must be totally, completely, absolutely, and without any doubt, the most fucked-in-the-head STUPID a-hole I've ever come across.

 

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Now you are definitely talking out of your ass.

Do you have a link showing that this dumb claim of yours has any validity, or do you just drug yourself and dream it all up?

Chechnia, Kosavao, Pakistan, Afghanistan, half-a-dozen African countires, Holland, remember the Van Gogh guy?, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, Palestine, Lebanon, NYC, and the picture's not changed since I was a kid, it's merely escalated...

They are killing for Allah everywhere on an almost daily basis. It is a very violent culture, if you hadn't noticed. Mona Charen had an excellent piece on it recently too. It is not just a specious statement made to inflame or bolster.

If there is to be a war, then civilians are going to die. Bush didn't declare Jihad. The other team has been engaged OPENLY in a Holy War with us since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Like WWII, we were just slow to recognize it and react. But in the long run, more people will die and suffer if we just stand by and watch because history does, indeed tend to repeat itself.

 

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Wasn't it you who took news reports about ONE individual being investigated for engaging in criminal activities while working for the Israeli Mossad and then started claiming that because the criminal worked for Israel that the news report was "anti-semitic"???

You must be totally, completely, absolutely, and without any doubt, the most fucked-in-the-head STUPID a-hole I've ever come across.

It musta been some other honey no-no chile, it wasn't me...

I never use the term anti-Semitic because most people don't understand the definition. I don't use racist for the same reason.

Did you come here for a conversation or just to go off on somebody?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

They buried them in Kurdistan?

Huh?

There was no Kurdistan, not as seperate nation, during the Iran-Iraq war. A little fact of history for the dopey asterix-man; during the Iran-Iraq War, the two nations often sent huge armies across each others borders and occassionally took control of each other's territory. The territory of the Kurds was just another part of the war zone. People died there too, so they buried them there as well. Funny that, isn't it? I suppose you must expect that Iran and Iraq were going to be really nice to each during the middle of war and so caring about the Kurds that they would very politely always take the time out to stop fighting in the middle of a battle and bury all the dead soldiers from those Iranian mass charges into tidy little individual plots.

 

[Ishmael]

Chechnia, Kosavao, Pakistan, Afghanistan, half-a-dozen African countires, Holland, remember the Van Gogh guy?, Saudi Arabia, Isreal, Palestine, Lebanon, NYC, and the picture's not changed since I was a kid, it's merely escalated...

They are killing for Allah everywhere on an almost daily basis. It is a very violent culture, if you hadn't noticed. Mona Charen had an excellent piece on it recently too. It is not just a specious statement made to inflame or bolster.

If there is to be a war, then civilians are going to die. Bush didn't declare Jihad. The other team has been engaged OPENLY in a Holy War with us since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union. Like WWII, we were just slow to recognize it and react. But in the long run, more people will die and suffer if we just stand by and watch because history does, indeed tend to repeat itself.

There's a few facts in the following article as well

Caroline B. Glick

May 22, 2005

Almost every day, a report surfaces of some new act of often violent intolerance committed by Muslim minorities in Europe against their fellow citizens.

This week, the London Times reported that at the beginning of the month, Chris Crain, the editor of the Washington, DC-based gay magazine The Washington Blade was brutally beaten by a group of young Muslim males while he was vacationing with his partner in Amsterdam.

It turns out that Holland – the first country in the world to legalize same-sex marriages – has become a dangerous place for gays. The Amsterdam Tourist Board felt constrained to issue a warning to gay and lesbian tourists to be careful when they visit the city in light of the rash of anti-homosexual violence perpetrated regularly by gangs of Muslim immigrant youth.

In Sweden today, Pentecostal preacher Runar Sogaard is now under police protection after receiving death threats from Muslims angry that he referred to Muhammad as a "confused pedophile" during a sermon. Members of the Kurdish terrorist group Ansar el-Islam reportedly received a religious edict to kill him for his remarks.

Rather than rally to Sogaard's defense, in an interview with the Swedish newspaper Expressen, Swedish Islam expert Jan Hjarpe, at the University of Lund, basically accused Sogaard of purposely stirring up trouble, saying, "It was a statement from an odd man in an odd sect but the effect is stronger antagonism between different groups. It becomes a pure religious polemic and is extremely unpleasant."

Reports from country after country in recent years have referred to entire neighborhoods where ambulances and fire trucks refuse to enter for fear of being attacked by Islamic immigrant gangs. Quite simply, the European response to this violence has been to pretend that it isn't happening as states exercise their sovereignty over decreasing areas of their territory.

The most discouraging cases of governmental passivity in the face of jihad-inspired local violence have occurred in France. On March 8, approximately 1,000 Muslim and black youths descended on tens of thousands of schoolchildren protesting against educational reforms in Paris. They beat them and taunted them, and according to a report in the Weekly Standard, "the general sentiment was a desire to 'take revenge on whites.'"

Also in France, at the end of March, Jean-Pierre Obin, the inspector-general of the French school system, submitted a report to the Education Ministry regarding religious expression in state schools. According to the Weekly Standard's write-up of the report, Obin found that schools attended by large numbers of Muslims are being systematically Islamized.

The most prominent victims of this trend are schoolgirls who, fearing violent attacks, have taken to wearing loose, long clothing to cover themselves, not only in schools but in the surrounding communities. Anti-Semitism has become so rampant that not only are Jewish children simply forced to study elsewhere, but the most popular insult that the schoolchildren now hurl at one another is "Jew."

Obin noted that the levels of Islamization are determined in large part by the degree to which teachers and administrators tolerate the students' behavior. In schools where the children's violence and aggressiveness was met with little tolerance, Islamization was lower than in schools where school officials have sought to appease the aggressors.

This conclusion clearly had little impact on the Education Ministry, which sought to squelch the report – refusing to publish its findings until the report itself was leaked on the Internet.

Bat Ye'or, the prominent scholar of dhimmitude – or the systematic discrimination and repression of non-Muslims by Muslim societies – believes that the continent-wide phenomenon of Muslim aggression and intolerance met by European passivity and acceptance finds its roots in European policy toward the Arab world dating back to 1973.

According to her analysis, which is copiously documented in her recently released book, Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis, the current pathological relationship between the Muslim immigrant communities and the European majorities is the direct result of a decision by the leaders of Europe following the OPEC oil embargo to allow open immigration of Muslims to their countries and to accept the Arab League and the Organization of the Islamic Conference's demand that these immigrants would not only not be encouraged to integrate within their larger societies, but would be encouraged to maintain and cultivate their separate and intolerant ways of life.

Ye'or, who came to Israel this week to launch her book, is convinced that Europe is already too far along in its cultural decline and acceptance of its dhimmitude to save itself from ultimate destruction. She explains that she wrote her book in English and published it in the US because her target audience is "the Americans, who are the only society still capable of fighting the global jihad."

It is possible that Bat Ye'or's pessimistic view of Europe is correct. Her book makes a strong argument for believing that Europe, in casting its fortunes with the Arabs at the expense of the Americans and Israelis, long ago signed its own cultural and political death warrant.

And yet, in recent months we have seen an awakening of sorts among elements of European society to the threat posed to their way of life by the intolerant culture which in recent years has become the norm, rather than the exception, among Muslim immigrant populations.

Queen Margrethe of Denmark said last month that people have to take the "challenge" of Islam seriously. "We have to run the risk of being labeled in an unflattering way, because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance," she said.

In 2002, Denmark itself passed one of the toughest immigration reform statutes in the world, and other EU member states like Ireland and Holland are considering enacting similar statutes. The law stipulates that (as is the case in the US) the fact that a foreigner is married to a Danish citizen confers no legal right to reunification with his or her spouse. At the same time, throughout Europe, instances of longtime Muslim immigrants being deported from their European havens have become increasingly frequent occurrences in recent years.

But those of us following reality were already aware of most of this.

Ishmael

 

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He had absolutely no ties with, or support of Al Queda and the govt of the USA admitted it. This was long after smarter people than you all over the world had been saying right from the very beginning of those US govt encouraged lies and distortions about Saddam Hussein having ties to Al Queda that they were all horseshit.

Why haven't you noticed?

He trained terrorists at Salman Pak.
He was harboring Abu Nidal.
He was rewarding families of suicide bombers.

We said that any state that did that was a terrorist state and threatened them.
Saddam was defiant and had the bribed French and Russians in his back pocket.
He was playing Osama's strong horse further strengthening the position of radicals across the Muslim world.

By striking at one, we struck at both AND the corrupt, inept United Nations...

[Who were the first ones to cut tail and run if I remember...]

But nobody EVER said he was directlky linked to 9-11, Al Qaeda, or that he possessed WMD's. There's simply a bigger picture out there.

 

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There was no Kurdistan, not as seperate nation, during the Iran-Iraq war. A little fact of history for the dopey asterix-man; during the Iran-Iraq War, the two nations often sent huge armies across each others borders and occassionally took control of each other's territory. The territory of the Kurds was just another part of the war zone. People died there too, so they buried them there as well. Funny that, isn't it? I suppose you must expect that Iran and Iraq were going to be really nice to each during the middle of war and so caring about the Kurds that they would very politely always take the time out to stop fighting in the middle of a battle and bury all the dead soldiers from those Iranian mass charges into tidy little individual plots.

I was just referring to the region where many of the graves were found and pointing out that it was a helluva long way from the swamp they were actually fighting in...

They couldn't have gotten to Kurdish Territory without sacking Baghdad.

Where do you get this stuff?

 

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They're boiling Le Frogee slowly bro, slowly...

 

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And when I watched the documentary on the American volunteers running DNA tests to track down relatives, they never once mentioned Iran...



... or soldiers.

They were mainly sons, brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins,...

And the children Saddam had in jail. Irainian conscripts?

 

[Iced_Cherry]

It musta been some other honey no-no chile, it wasn't me...

I never use the term anti-Semitic because most people don't understand the definition. I don't use racist for the same reason.

Did you come here for a conversation or just to go off on somebody?

My apologies. I got you and Gringao mixed up.

 

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The beat goes on.
The beat goes on.
Drums keep a'poundin' a riddim in my brain!

Ladadadadee,
Ladadadadah...

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[Rex1960]

Good morning, A_J

Anything new in this thread factwise or just same old bs ?