I was looking over my prized Book of Mormon and I just don't get why these Latter Day Saints have been ridiculed and discriminated against for almost 175years!! The messages contained in the Books of Ether and Helaman still ring true and in my eyes will inspire people forever. I think somewhere along the road the world got too high on its horse, that is the only reason I can see why so little respect has been shown to such a friendly group of people.
Why have Mormons seen such persecution?
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Heh. How'd you know I was a Mormon, Seventy?
They were persecuted in the nineteen hundreds mainly for political reasons. They had a way of setting up their own communities and achieving high levels of economic success.
Then there was that whole polygamy thing.
Ah, for the good ole days.
They were persecuted in the nineteen hundreds mainly for political reasons. They had a way of setting up their own communities and achieving high levels of economic success.
Then there was that whole polygamy thing.
Ah, for the good ole days.
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I am not sure if this thread is tongue in cheek or not. I am not a LDS member, although my mother was raised as one. I don't understand the book of Mormon and I don't ascribe to what they preach (but then I don't practice any organized religion). But I do admire the Mormon lifestyle for one thing, which is the practice of keeping strong family ties. Having an strong and caring extended family is very important to me. Just as it is for the Italian side of my heritage, the family is and always has been a bedrock of stability in my life.
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They were persecuted in the 1900's primarily because they were not a "mainstream" religion. That is to say, in those times they were not Catholic or one of the branches that apositized from the Catholic church. Couple that with their penchant for economic sturdiness in less than properous times and you have persecution. In Missouri and Illinios poligamy itself was less the issue than lack of following the mainstream.
The poligamy thing went out the window before Utah even became a state, as they were not going to be granted statehood unless poligamy was abolished.
When Joseph Smith was visited by Moroni...........
Seventy.......I'm just a little suspicious, "My prized Book of Mormon"??
The poligamy thing went out the window before Utah even became a state, as they were not going to be granted statehood unless poligamy was abolished.
When Joseph Smith was visited by Moroni...........
Seventy.......I'm just a little suspicious, "My prized Book of Mormon"??
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70/30 said:
Really?!
Well for starters, a lot of narrow-minded and violent Christians didn't/don't like the suggestion that Jesus wasn't the final prophet. That's where the violence etc. probably started. Than you can add on polygamy, shunning substances a lot of people like, claiming a superior righteousness, and before you know it you've pissed a lot of people off... I understand Illinois lays claim to the site where the most Mormons were killed in a single event. (Navoo (spelling?)) I just ignore fringe ideas, even if they're accepted by a few million Americans and sponsored by a powerful organization with lots of tax-free property.
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morons probably get persecuted so much cause theyre really dumb and they're always screwing up and doing something wrong.
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It's good to see the "real" HSJ has returned to his senses. You can always count on him for intelligent and well thought out responses. 
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Mormons and Persecution
All religions have faced persecution. Read all the "holy" books and you will find this to be true. Throughout the history of religion there has been persecution. Many people die and are ousted from home and country in the name of religion. Yup - poor, picked-on Mormons! Dang!
All religions have faced persecution. Read all the "holy" books and you will find this to be true. Throughout the history of religion there has been persecution. Many people die and are ousted from home and country in the name of religion. Yup - poor, picked-on Mormons! Dang!
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No, I don't
Originally posted by Piper
First off, I never said it was the "mainstream" religion of the USA. If I am not mistaken I said the Catholic church or one of the branches that apostisized from it. Not being a Theologian by profession i was under the impression that the oldest "Christian" religion was the Catholic and that every "Christian" religion, except the LDS broke away and form their own church. However, the basic principles were the same dispite having seprated from "The Church".
And for that matter, it does not matter how you want to define "mainstream" you are going to have a tough time proving it hasn't always been the "mainstream" church of this country.
Originally posted by Piper
First off, I never said it was the "mainstream" religion of the USA. If I am not mistaken I said the Catholic church or one of the branches that apostisized from it. Not being a Theologian by profession i was under the impression that the oldest "Christian" religion was the Catholic and that every "Christian" religion, except the LDS broke away and form their own church. However, the basic principles were the same dispite having seprated from "The Church".
And for that matter, it does not matter how you want to define "mainstream" you are going to have a tough time proving it hasn't always been the "mainstream" church of this country.
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"All", Gracie?
mmmm.......
Holy Books? Can you be more specific?
HSJ thinks Mad magazine is a "Holy Book".
mmmm.......
Holy Books? Can you be more specific?
HSJ thinks Mad magazine is a "Holy Book".
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Yup - poor, picked-on Mormons! Dang!
I never said that they should not have been persecuted, I just gave a couple of the multitude of reasons that they were.
Was it right to persecute the Mormons, not any more right than it was or is to persecute any religion.
I never said that they should not have been persecuted, I just gave a couple of the multitude of reasons that they were.
Was it right to persecute the Mormons, not any more right than it was or is to persecute any religion.
I am trying my mentor HSJ's formula for getting all the girls, be mean for a long time, then be nice for a week to show your true self, then be mean again, and then occasionally be nice. It's been like 24hours of being nice and being vague about every issue. Well, I'm about to puke all over the Book of Alma (sorry Sandia). Seriously though, I hold my religious feelings to a very high standard but maybe I shouldn't be so discriminating about religion.Pyper said:
Joyce has a good line, "History is a nightmare from which I am trying to awake."
For some reason I don't believe in the historical accurateness of The Book of Mormon (I'll admit my studies on it are extremely limited). I am a Catholic and there are many parts of the Bible I think is hogwash.
An essay I read about Buddhism helps out a bit, "Why not believe in the story of Siddhartha?"
A practicing Buddhist replied, "Because it doesn't matter; what matters is to believe in the Teachings. I think that to believe in the historical existence of the Buddha, or to be interested in it, is something like confusing the laws of mathematics with the biographies of Pythagoras or Newton."
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If you're being persecuted, then you must be on the right track.
Matthew 5:10-12 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Assuming it's being done "falsely", of course.
Matthew 5:10-12 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Assuming it's being done "falsely", of course.
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I have no idea why. Haven't all religions been persecuted at some point?
The paternal side of my family is LDS. I really appreciate the history I inherited from them. One piece is a ledger that lists all of the births and deaths in the family all the way back to the early 1900s.
I'm more into history than religion though.
The paternal side of my family is LDS. I really appreciate the history I inherited from them. One piece is a ledger that lists all of the births and deaths in the family all the way back to the early 1900s.
I'm more into history than religion though.
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I knew I saw this thread title before.
70-glad you have a prized book of something.
Sandia-keep longing
lilrosie lips-family life = 1 man to several wives? Yea, my dream too.
Pyper-ditto
Backyard Sweaty-You got to serious, but ditto too.
Schleicher-hehe, right on.....
HighSchoolJock-your profound statements must have gotten lost somewhere. I'm surprised you've survived them.
SpiceCake-heh.
ok, I've had enough.
70-glad you have a prized book of something.
Sandia-keep longing
lilrosie lips-family life = 1 man to several wives? Yea, my dream too.
Pyper-ditto
Backyard Sweaty-You got to serious, but ditto too.
Schleicher-hehe, right on.....
HighSchoolJock-your profound statements must have gotten lost somewhere. I'm surprised you've survived them.
SpiceCake-heh.
ok, I've had enough.
lilrosie lips
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Moon Wolf, I was not speaking of polygamy. It is to my knowledge not a common practice among the LDS members any longer. Yes, I know that it does exist in a few areas and among a few individuals. I do not condone the practice, in fact I abhor it. I was speaking of the tradition of keeping close family ties within extended families. The same way my Italian side of the family keeps the extended family ties going and the way many cultures do. In the days of the nuclear family I find that keeping families together is something to be glad for.
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I agree. I have several friends that are members of LDS families, they have a tight bond. My family is kinda weird (who would have thought) so that's our unique tie. Mormon families it seems can keep a strong bond by being solid citizens and have stable relationships while usually being financially secure. My family would puke all over each other if we were polite and nice more than 10% of the time. Mormons are the biggest backers of Boy Scouts (almost a dubious distinction in a board such as this), polygamy is officially illegal and they are cracking down on it. The guy I mentioned Tom Green is facing up to life for having sex with one of his wives because she was just under 14 at the time, personally I think he should be given a token sentence for that particular infraction.
