Why have Literotica poems been read less in 2004-2005?

[sack]

While looking at the poems that have been read the most in Literotica over the years, I was surprised to see that NONE are from 2005, and only a few are from 2004! Number 100 on the list is still at 80,000 views or so, while I would guesstimate that most new poems today are lucky to get 500 views after a year or so. That is such a startling change, I need to ask "what happened?" Is this part of a national trend to eschew poetry? Or have some of the great Literotica poets of the past left for various reasons, taking their "fans" with them? Since I have been a member (2003), the number of public comments have also decreased dramatically. Are people afraid that their own work will be attacked if they make a public comment? The poems have been shuttled to the bottom of the page, and my guess is many don't even know they are there. I think Lit. should sponsor a poetry contest of some sort, NOT the contests offered within the forum itself.

Sack

 

[Maria2394]

Hi Sack

well, the public comment thing is relatively new, and perhaps the novelty wore off rather quickly, along with some of the negative attention the PC's seemed to attract. Also, like you said, some poets have left and it stands to reaosn that their own votes and reads would make a difference in the count. Maybe the poetry readers got tired of reading LIt poets, maybe they died or lost their internet connection...anything is possible

PS, HAPPY MOLE DAY!!!!!!!

 

[mojo_cat]

it's 'cause i left (ha, i wish)

i think it's because the anthology really promoted awareness of Lit, but that doesn't necessarilly cross over to the poetry boards. i found this place completely by accident, and if i hadn't been bored and curious i may not have read through the forums & poems to realize how cool of a place this is. many lit readers may do the same - assume the site is erotic-only and not explore to find this area.

that said, it's also possible that in the past maybe there was not as much poetry published here? as the poetry got a good rep and began to draw onlookers, more submissions occurred, and it may just be a case of the same amount of comments spread over a vastly larger number of poems.

 

[Reltne]

Another possibility is that the Literotica software has become better at spotting vote fraud. In the early days I believe there was quite a bit of electronic ballot box stuffing going on. I can think of no other reason why some stories and poems got so many reads and votes in such a short time.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Er, not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think any of Sack's initial post assertations are necessarily true.

First, I am not sure if now poems are less read than they were before. I just looked at my page, and didn't note any great variation. In fact, I see quite a few recent poems that have reached numbers that would take over a year to reach once I first arrived here. "I would guesstimate that most new poems today are lucky to get 500 views after a year or so," Sack says. Well, it took most of my 2002 poems well over a year to get to 500 views, and more than a few never made it there.

The accumulated top-read poetry list is formed by older poems. Well, what would you expect? The poems posted in 2001, 2002, and 2003 have been accumulating reads for years. Do you really expect that any one poem posted sometime during 2005 would be read more times than any of them already? Its popularity would have to be huge to gain access to the list in so little time.

And don't forget that not only are more poems being posted now than there ever were, but - obviously - there are also more accumulated poems. Three years ago, it wouldn't be difficult for a poem to gain notoriaty among 3000 other poems. To expect that same level of exposure when now there are nearly 16000 poems in the same list is ridiculous.

 

[annaswirls]

it might be wise to have separate lists

most read in 2004
most read in 2005 etc just counting the reads in that year?


WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC TO THE POETRY SECTION???


I have on several occasions sent Laurel pms with specific, simple solutions. Starting with the word POETRY somewhere on the opening page.

fuck, I could even re-write the code.


it would not be that difficult to add one word, could it?

Er, not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think any of Sack's initial post assertations are necessarily true.

First, I am not sure if now poems are less read than they were before. I just looked at my page, and didn't note any great variation. In fact, I see quite a few recent poems that have reached numbers that would take over a year to reach once I first arrived here. "I would guesstimate that most new poems today are lucky to get 500 views after a year or so," Sack says. Well, it took most of my 2002 poems well over a year to get to 500 views, and more than a few never made it there.

The accumulated top-read poetry list is formed by older poems. Well, what would you expect? The poems posted in 2001, 2002, and 2003 have been accumulating reads for years. Do you really expect that any one poem posted sometime during 2005 would be read more times than any of them already? Its popularity would have to be huge to gain access to the list in so little time.

And don't forget that not only are more poems being posted now than there ever were, but - obviously - there are also more accumulated poems. Three years ago, it wouldn't be difficult for a poem to gain notoriaty among 3000 other poems. To expect that same level of exposure when now there are nearly 16000 poems in the same list is ridiculous.

 

[sack]

Let's do the math here...

Re: Lauren's comments about the older poems having more time to garnish reads, something isn't quite adding up here. Let's say you have a poem that gets 500 reads in a year, and it continues at that same rate for 4 years. At that point it would have 2,000 reads, and be as old as a 2001 poem currently listed. But the LOWEST number of views on the most read list is over 80,000 and many poems are in the 100,000 reads range. Even comparing 2,000 to 80,000 is an enormous difference! Yes, there is more competition and number of poems, but there are also more stories, and I find a real good story still gets a commanding number of reads, and that over time my newer stories "catch up". However, my older poems garnish reads very slowly...I don't think people look up old poems very often. Any suggestions, besides the "spinner" to encourage rehashing of fabulous material that may have been missed the first time around?

Sack

 

[Lauren Hynde]

WHY HAS NOTHING BEEN DONE TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC TO THE POETRY SECTION?

How do you know traffic hasn't increased exponentially each year? When audio poems were introduced, traffic skyrocketed. Same thing with illustrated poetry. Same thing with public comments.

There are now nearly 30,000 poems at Literotica. Would you bet that the accumulated number of hits in all those poems during 2005 hasn't doubled the hits of any previous year?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Re: Lauren's comments about the older poems having more time to garnish reads, something isn't quite adding up here. Let's say you have a poem that gets 500 reads in a year, and it continues at that same rate for 4 years. At that point it would have 2,000 reads, and be as old as a 2001 poem currently listed. But the LOWEST number of views on the most read list is over 80,000 and many poems are in the 100,000 reads range. Even comparing 2,000 to 80,000 is an enormous difference! Yes, there is more competition and number of poems, but there are also more stories, and I find a real good story still gets a commanding number of reads, and that over time my newer stories "catch up". However, my older poems garnish reads very slowly...I don't think people look up old poems very often. Any suggestions, besides the "spinner" to encourage rehashing of fabulous material that may have been missed the first time around?

Sack

That only means your assertations were wrong in the first place, Sack. I - who am not a top-read poet-type - have poems posted this year, with 15,000 hits. I won't be surprised if they reach 20,000 by the end of the year. How many years would that make to reach 80,000? 80,000 which, incidently, is also the number of hits of another of my poems posted in mid-2004.

 

[Liar]

Aren't poems with 80 000 reads, or 15 000 for that matter, to be seen as freak occurances, something not to read too much into?

From what I've seen, the vast majority of poems here have total reads in the hundreds or sometimes up to four digits.

When individual poems skyrocket like some have, it's most likely because of something like a blog ripple. An external linking from a wider audience site, someone writing on a popular, general blog someting like "here's a cool poem I found". Another blogger will read it and spread the word. When I had my own work-related (semi-geeky tech stuff) blog up, had very strange peaks in traffic to individual pages, because my ramblings were picked up by popular blogs and linked. I suspect similar things can happen here.

We should look at how many reads the typical poem gets, instead of the most read if we want anything even closely related to relevant statistics. What's the exposure at the peak of the bell curve?

 

[Lauren Hynde]

We should look at how many reads the typical poem gets, instead of the most read if we want anything even closely related to relevant statistics. What's the exposure at the peak of the bell curve?

Exactly! Bringing the top-read list into this is a falacy. We should be looking at how many reads the typical poem gets - which was never all that much - and, furthermore, we should be looking at how many reads are all the poems combined getting, in comparison to 2 or 3 years ago.

 

[WickedEve]

That only means your assertations were wrong in the first place, Sack. I - who am not a top-read poet-type - have poems posted this year, with 15,000 hits. I won't be surprised if they reach 20,000 by the end of the year. How many years would that make to reach 80,000? 80,000 which, incidently, is also the number of hits of another of my poems posted in mid-2004.

80 fucking thousand? Damn! I've been here for 4 freakin' years and all mine are under 4,000. Most under 2,000. A whole lot under 1,000. Why? Why? Why? 80,000... I'm so worked up. Okay, which poem? Tell me before I implode.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

80 fucking thousand? Damn! I've been here for 4 freakin' years and all mine are under 4,000. Most under 2,000. A whole lot under 1,000. Why? Why? Why? 80,000... I'm so worked up. Okay, which poem? Tell me before I implode.

I think it's a poem that was even posted at your site for a couple of months before it came here: "I tremble..."


PS: Love the little vogue-ing witches!

 

[WickedEve]

I think it's a poem that was even posted at your site for a couple of months before it came here: "I tremble..."


PS: Love the little vogue-ing witches!

My freaky kids who want to dress up now and not wait.
I tremble was illustrated, right?

 

[bogusbrig]

My poems have notched up around 300 reads but I don't for one minute believe 300 people have read my poems. If 50 people have given them a good read I would be happy. My guess the majority of those 300 hits are people just clicking onto the page and clicking straight off again.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

My freaky kids who want to dress up now and not wait.

Like mother...

I tremble was illustrated, right?

Yes, as is practically half of the top-read list, with the other half being poetry with audio. If Sack wants to make comparisons, he has to compare comparable things...

 

[sack]

How does one determine what a "typical" poem is?

OK, How many reads does a "typical" poem get in 2005? I'm not sure if mine are
typical or not....they range from 200 reads at worst to 1,500 at best. The average is probably 600 reads, but then all of my poems have only been posted a year ot two. I do get more reads if the poem is mentioned favorably in the New Poem reviews, and it seems that multiple poems posted the same day has a detrimental effect overall. Any other people willing to share the "typical" number of reads for their poems. Majority rules!

Sack

 

[annaswirls]

I have found little rhyme or reason with the number of reads my poems have except that the longer it is on top list, the more reads.

Damn it, which is why the fucking voting system matters.

AND check it out: do a google search on your screen name. You might just find that certain adult sites include links to your work--- links right to literotica AND it has nothing to do with you giving permission.

Freaky, hmm? "annaswirls" found a bunch of her stuff on some porn sites.

This might also have a bearing on the number of reads?

My biggest # of reads was 1,500 for about 2 poems, Under Seattle Rain...although Ode to my Husbands Cum had maybe 3-4,000 when I deleted all my stuff.

My average is about 500 I guess, from May 2005.

What fucking kills me is the number of reads stories get! Shit! And mine is not even an H. Or Taboo.

 

[annaswirls]

From Google: Search of SeattleRain

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See, these two seattle rain poems had many reads, even though neither of them were erotic. The links no longer work

 

[SeattleRain]

http://www.swissforum.org/

here is a pay site that has my poems (and yours) available for reading... after you pay apparently.

should literotica people know this?

 

[SeattleRain]

http://escortsearch.us/xadd2/in0043.html

http://escortsearch.us/xadd2/in0043.html


This poem, and others, were found on an escort service site.

Article

Please visit Literotica for more articles like this:
Even If


Title: Even If


Author: annaswirls






It is not that I do not care about the triangles of dust and fuzz
gathering on each corner of the hardwood steps,

It is not that I do not notice the piles of laundry
and dishes and bills growing
and growing and
tumbling over
and growing
some more

Yes, I see mud prints of various animals
who have been scampering
across my kitchen floor


It is just I know they will all be there again tomorrow
and tomorrow joined with more of the same
even if I ignore them again today.

Poetry and love are not that way.

So here I am
Again today.

 

[SeattleRain]

This one was found in a sex-forum discussion board:
Not posted by me


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some poetry I want to share with you
--------------------------------------------
Ode to My Husband's Cum
by annaswirls ©

As lovely a sight I shall never see-
My husbands semen streaming onto me
Dripping slowly down my chin
Fingers on neck, I rub it in

Rub your cock between my thighs
Use your cum to moisturize
May I ask you pretty please
To make a deposit behind my knees?

How, I wonder, shall I ask
For a full facial beauty mask?
You have so much, oh please, do share
(I need some conditioner for my hair)

I suppose that I may like it best
When spurting up between my breasts
Use both hands gather the gift
Circling slipperys on my tits

I so enjoy when my cunt you fill,
Still I am waiting to see what spills.
Between my ass as your cock explodes,
I lube my fingers in your load.

Finger-painting is always most fun
When I paint my body with your cum
Please look deep into my eyes
And promise me a Supersize.

 

[WickedEve]

I googled my name many months ago and I kept getting that first site you posted. I found a story of mine (about 3 years ago) at some site. They had my name on it. These sites do post our work and even put our names on it. Why?
And I just now googled and found out I was in a coming together book. I remember telling someone they could use a poem of mine for... something. Then I got a PM asking for a bio. I wrote something silly and forgot about it. Now I see there's a print on demand book that's been available since sept. Why am I so damn clueless? Has anyone bought the coming together book?

 

[My Erotic Tail]

OK, How many reads does a "typical" poem get in 2005? I'm not sure if mine are
typical or not....they range from 200 reads at worst to 1,500 at best. The average is probably 600 reads, but then all of my poems have only been posted a year ot two. I do get more reads if the poem is mentioned favorably in the New Poem reviews, and it seems that multiple poems posted the same day has a detrimental effect overall. Any other people willing to share the "typical" number of reads for their poems. Majority rules!

Sack

I had no idea how these numbers added up so I had to do a deeper look after Laurens posted point. Over all the top listed poems don't really seem to matter about the year it was submitted meaning that poems from every year seem to be in the list, rather it was illustrated or audio which does seem to be the majority of those.

As for last years name "My Erotic Tail"
on the average 3000 reads per poem. They were some with 5000 and more even 7000 and and a few plus.

then as I checked My Erotic Tale...this years reads are 1500 on an average with more being 800 and some being 3000. this does seem to be a big difference. But is it because those under TAIL have had a chance to acquire more reads? I would think so.

Next year will accumilate even more than the average 1500 making them...3000? making the most read be ...5000 and 7000 as is with the last years poems.


the two poems with 20,000 + are audio and illustrated. The spinner works well because I get feedback quite often where some one read my poem from...taking the spin.


I took it one step further and looked randomly to see if maybe there were less public comments with this year than last and that was 'NO' There are the same amount of comments on last years poems as there are on this years. So more reads does not warrant more comments which is what I was seeking to know. Perhaps a few but not enough to say they were read last year or yesterday.

I know stories rule here with a high volume of reads on my tales that make the poems seem unread. Lit has grown and it shows in the story reads, but as some one said lit is not known entirely for poetry <grin> with the membership growing to an overwhelming high, I notice this with stories but not with poems, the numbers are two different animals.

so I have to say that from my scores that last years poems recieved more reads for being available longer and this years poems will grow in numbers as they rest and gather reads next year. <grin>

hope that helps

 

[SeattleRain]

I googled my name many months ago and I kept getting that first site you posted. I found a story of mine (about 3 years ago) at some site. They had my name on it. These sites do post our work and even put our names on it. Why?
And I just now googled and found out I was in a coming together book. I remember telling someone they could use a poem of mine for... something. Then I got a PM asking for a bio. I wrote something silly and forgot about it. Now I see there's a print on demand book that's been available since sept. Why am I so damn clueless? Has anyone bought the coming together book?

lol! I think there have been more editions out since then too, Eve. Come on, get with the program. Sheesh, I hope you get to buy the book at cost if you are in it



I have to get with it and submit to those coming together books (what a cool name)

I wrote to two places why they were using my poems -- and posted on the bullitenboard-- hey thanks glad you liked my poems, hey how bout asking next time eh hem. I mean it is flattering, but kind of creepy seeing your stuff out there. I mean in here, you at least KNOW people are jacking off to your work.

the creepiest one is annaswirls at a photo site. Apparently you can get her picture from a nude beach printed on a mug.



that'll be enough to turn your stomach away from coffee, damn