Why are prisoners not safe in prisons?

[butters]

i would love to see a complete reform of prisons

if someone commits a crime that results in them being sent to jail, is it so weird to expect that these individuals should be in a place deemed safe, secure (so they cannnot escape), and run like a modern institution should be, with cameras and enough staff and enough cells to cope?

if someone's inside for heinous crimes against other people, they have been removed from society for society's protection. if society then allows crimes of a similar or equally heinous nature to be visited on inmates, how is society able to condemn one yet condone the other?

is it all financial?

the smuggling in of drugs is something else that has to be stamped out.

 

[Conager]

Criminals are criminals, they do criminal stuff. While incarcerated they've got lots of time on their hands to think of ways around just about any sort of precautions and security that you put into place.

Then you take the Corrections Officers themselves that is of course naturally a self-selecting population people willing to go in and work with prisoners. Not always for altruistic reasons and whether they start with good intentions or not it's a place of easy corruption because of drugs and money.

 

[Fata Morgana]

Not totally revelant, but do you get the crime channel? There's a new doc on Sunday nights about Holloway. Dead interesting.

 

[oggbashan]

Prisoners are not safe in prisons because prisons are full of bad guys.

They don't change when they become prisoners. The drug users still use drugs. The violent people don't become less violent and use their aggression to intimidate others, just as they did outside prison.

The idea that prisons change people to make them better law-abiding citizens on release has rarely worked - ever.

 

[butters]

Not totally revelant, but do you get the crime channel? There's a new doc on Sunday nights about Holloway. Dead interesting.

maybe... i've certainly seen the ads for that documentary.

Prisoners are not safe in prisons because prisons are full of bad guys.

They don't change when they become prisoners. The drug users still use drugs. The violent people don't become less violent and use their aggression to intimidate others, just as they did outside prison.

The idea that prisons change people to make them better law-abiding citizens on release has rarely worked - ever.

yes, i get that.

i get that they don't necessarily change. what i'm saying is they shouldn't have access to drugs and that a system needs putting in place where prisoners cannot harm other prisoners or be harmed by them. i'm pretty sure that there's a goodly chunk of society that doesn't give a shit about what happens to prisoners and so would never be prepared to inevitably pay more tax-wise to restructure how prisons are run.

i'm not even addressing rehabilitation here, ogg, only crime v crime.

 

[Lancecastor]

Butters, a few minutes ago when the noob bested you , sean and the others in the fascinating statistics discussion, you said you had better things to do with your day and were leaving.

This moronic thread is that better thing?


Hilarious twat.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

My old man and brother did some hard time.

I researched one of stories to get the flavor of prison. Cons prey on each other, but generally speaking they leave other alone unless fucked with, and cons cut newbs a little slack at the beginning. But hostile acts aren't suffered. Its one thing to park your ass where I sit at the chow hall, its something else when you put your dirty shoes on my bed.

 

[butters]

Criminals are criminals, they do criminal stuff. While incarcerated they've got lots of time on their hands to think of ways around just about any sort of precautions and security that you put into place.

Then you take the Corrections Officers themselves that is of course naturally a self-selecting population people willing to go in and work with prisoners. Not always for altruistic reasons and whether they start with good intentions or not it's a place of easy corruption because of drugs and money.

of course.
if areas housing violent offenders was run to more exacting standards that didn't allow for the kinds of regular trangressions seen occurring, it would take them a lot longer to figure out ways around it. i don't have the answers, but i'm certain they could be found if funding were available.

the kind of staff employed, the willingness of society to turn a blind eye, the extra costs... these all make the situation what it is now. i can hope for change even if i don't expect it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Yes it's financial, and it'll only get worse with for profit prisons.

 

[butters]

Yes it's financial, and it'll only get worse with for profit prisons.

i think so too

the thing is, with this thread, it's not about me being a bleeding heart or soft or anything like that. it's about right and wrong and what is just. so long as we hold criminals accountable for their actions - and we must - then we are equally accountable for the system we use to do it.

 

[Aglaopheme]

i think so too

the thing is, with this thread, it's not about me being a bleeding heart or soft or anything like that. it's about right and wrong and what is just. so long as we hold criminals accountable for their actions - and we must - then we are equally accountable for the system we use to do it.

Having said that...

But, the problem is not just in prisons. Are people completely safe anywhere? Is there anyplace that is completely crime free?

 

[Killswitch1]

Kinda like Dillenger said when asked why he robs banks.

"Thats where the money is"

 

[Lancecastor]

Prisons serve a purpose.

Training criminals to innovate and create new ways to terrorize the public, at the public's expense.

While out, they steal... And while inside, we pay to enhance their training.

Federal prisoners get full cable!

The new middle class?

 

[lovecraft68]

Prisons serve a purpose.

Training criminals to innovate and create new ways to terrorize the public, at the public's expense.

While out, they steal... And while inside, we pay to enhance their training.

Federal prisoners get full cable!

The new middle class?

In the US its getting so bad for all the homeless-in this amazing thriving Obama economy-that they're getting arrested in the winter so they'll be warm and can eat during the cold weather then after their 90-120 day sentences they get back out for the warmer weather.

 

[Jennifer]

I find it interesting that prisoners are charged per day to be there and must pay back their debt upon release or face more prison time.

It's a lose/lose situation. Prisons are a huge money maker in the private sector. They have nothing to lose and are barely regulated. Everyone is in it for the money.

 

[Killswitch1]

In the US its getting so bad for all the homeless-in this amazing thriving Obama economy-that they're getting arrested in the winter so they'll be warm and can eat during the cold weather then after their 90-120 day sentences they get back out for the warmer weather.

While we're at it lets address the real issue which is all the mentally challenged people who got thrown onto the streets and subsequently into the prison system by Ronald Reagan.

 

[eyerami]

Poor socialist, progressive, überhyperbolically emotional buttwipes, always pondering, WHY CAN'T THIS WORLD BE FAIR THROUGH MY UNICORN FART-FUELED EYES?!?

Alas, no such utopia ever to be found in this life, the wannabe is left with hillape Tennessee instead of her preferred Shangri-La...

Bend over and squeal like a pig, buttwipes!

 

[Killswitch1]

You want to see the explosion in the prison system here you look at Reagan killing mental health care and starting the war on drugs IE war on drug users and the mandatory life sentances that were handed out for small quantities.

#whiteboyrick

#fuckyoumikeduggan

 

[eyerami]

While we're at it lets address the real issue which is all the mentally challenged people who got thrown onto the streets and subsequently into the prison system by Ronald Reagan.

This coming from the lawn-mowing gossip girl who pimped the real issue in Orlando was that the jihadi was homo.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

maybe... i've certainly seen the ads for that documentary.


yes, i get that.

i get that they don't necessarily change. what i'm saying is they shouldn't have access to drugs and that a system needs putting in place where prisoners cannot harm other prisoners or be harmed by them. i'm pretty sure that there's a goodly chunk of society that doesn't give a shit about what happens to prisoners and so would never be prepared to inevitably pay more tax-wise to restructure how prisons are run.

i'm not even addressing rehabilitation here, ogg, only crime v crime.

The only way you can guarantee prisoners not harming each other is to put every single one of them in solitary confinement 24/7. You would not let them associate with each other at meal times, in reasonably productive institutional jobs, during recreation periods, group therapy, etc. Would you suggest doing that to someone for a 10 or 15-year stretch?

Many, if not most, prisoners have the ability to be rehabilitated. You don't help people adjust to re-enter society by isolating them from social situations while in prison. Any social situation has the ability to produce conflict, and any conflict has the potential to result in violence. Obviously, more so in prisons than many other places, but, again, the price of the guarantee of prevention is awfully steep.

But at least they put them in cages during the night.

 

[lovecraft68]

While we're at it lets address the real issue which is all the mentally challenged people who got thrown onto the streets and subsequently into the prison system by Ronald Reagan.

Literally under Reagan? Would any of them still be alive?

But I agree, a lot of the mentally ill are kicked back into the street because of lack of programs to get them what they need then they get in trouble and are in prison

Some of them even go on shooting sprees that are somehow blamed on legal gun owners.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

You want to see the explosion in the prison system here you look at Reagan killing mental health care and starting the war on drugs IE war on drug users and the mandatory life sentances that were handed out for small quantities.

#whiteboyrick

#fuckyoumikeduggan

Youre fulla shit. I was there when Ron turned the spigot on to flood mental health with money. He did it to get money to fuck the Russians. And mental health spent the money on its industry elites....all got new wheels and new furniture and junkets and bonuses, and the troops got shit. Clinton got elected and the money went away.

Youre a stupid shit.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Literally under Reagan? Would any of them still be alive?

But I agree, a lot of the mentally ill are kicked back into the street because of lack of programs to get them what they need then they get in trouble and are in prison

Some of them even go on shooting sprees that are somehow blamed on legal gun owners.

Wrong, Asshopper. The mentally ill refuse to consent to treatment. They cant drink and use drugs in rehab. So they leave, and sleep in cemeteries.

 

[Libsam]

Then, after we make the world crime free, we need to stop earthquakes, lightening strikes, shark attacks, tornadoes, viruses and disease!!!

We could stop the world from spinning, that's dangerous. The sun, I don't know if you've noticed but that fucker is hot and causes cancer!

 

[eyerami]

Then, after we make the world crime free, we need to stop earthquakes, lightening strikes, shark attacks, tornadoes, viruses and disease!!!

We could stop the world from spinning, that's dangerous. The sun, I don't know if you've noticed but that fucker is hot and causes cancer!

Hey, now! Don't be sooooo sarcastic.

After all, the flatulencers themselves now proclaim their unicorn farts are plugging-up the infamous hole in the ozone:

Antarctic ozone hole beginning to heal
First fingerprints of Antarctic ozone healing beginning to show.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/06/antarctic-ozone-hole-beginning-to-heal/