Why are democrats

[Guest]

holding up a bill to improve voting systems? They said we need to improve the system, so why are they killing this bill? They want people not to show ID when they vote? I guess they just want to keep on cheating.http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47108,00.html

 

[Weevil]

holding up a bill to improve voting systems? They said we need to improve the system, so why are they killing this bill? They want people not to show ID when they vote? I guess they just want to keep on cheating.http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47108,00.html

Well, so long as you get all of your news from a good, unbiased bastion of the fourth estate like fox news then I guess we should take your word on it.

 

[Guest]

yeah

fox is the most watched news source. So they are just making stuff up. What is life like in your world? Read the link stupied.

 

[Weevil]

Re: yeah

fox is the most watched news source. So they are just making stuff up. What is life like in your world? Read the link stupied.

Want a definition of stupid? Someone who can't spell stupid.

Fox has been demonstrably shown to be the most biased news organization around.

Life in my world is pretty. Pretty, pretty flowers.

 

[Spinaroonie]

New voting machines are more inclined to voter fraud.

 

[Guest]

Republicans are the ones holding up the bill, they have even threatened to fillibuster it if they don't get their way. The Democrats are the ones who support the bill, they just don't support the Republicans attempt to stop poor people from voting by adding a bunch of bullshit rules. Read some unbiased news and see if you can see the truth.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20020305/pl_nm/congress_election_dc_22

Fox is an opinion station. It is not news, it is opinion. If you believe what you see on fox then I think you should buy some land in the southern swamps too. If you think they are true because a lot of people watch them, then you must think Survivor is more true, and Harry Potter must be the most true book that was ever written.

 

[Guru]

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

One of my graduate school teachers in good ole Alabama used to run a polling company and so he was very very current on the number of registered voters and election results. He'd marvel how the democrats could always get big turnouts, why, they were so good at getting out the vote that often they'd get more votes than there were residents in some districts.

I believe that similar results have been found in Philadephia (results have been overturned in a court of law) and am sure that it's a regular occurance in Chicago where voting fraud has a long historical precedent and remains the most popular sport in town.

How dare the Republicans require that people identify themselves as living, breathing registered voters! If they take it step further and require voters to prove identification based on a biological scan verfication like thumbprint (like that being used in NYC for welfare), I'll bet 20% of the democrats will be forced to return to their graves immediately and that wouldn't be fair!

 

[bored1]

Its the Democrats......no no its the Republicans......no no its the Democrats, is not, its the Republicans...............There all the same they only care about themselves..........John, Mr.Campaign finance reform McCain took 100000.00 from Global Crossing.Tiny Tommy Daschle took money from the same group............There all the same...Are not ,Are to.Its for the children..............

 

[Spinaroonie]

One of my graduate school teachers in good ole Alabama used to run a polling company and so he was very very current on the number of registered voters and election results. He'd marvel how the democrats could always get big turnouts, why, they were so good at getting out the vote that often they'd get more votes than there were residents in some districts.

Of course EVERY party From the Bull-Moose, to your beloved Republicans, to the Greens to the Liberatarians have done it.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

Of course EVERY party From the Bull-Moose, to your beloved Republicans, to the Greens to the Liberatarians have done it.

I'm not sure about that. I haven't got any firm research data at my fingertips, but I read quite a bit. Over the past 10 years, every challenge of improprietry that has been sustained (proven) that I can recall seems to be against only one party.

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

"Beloved" would not be an apt description. I am rather independent, but certainly lean the opposite direction of 'collectivism". I don't need a nanny and I don't want one. I believe in liberty, justice and the pursuit of happiness. I worry about those things. I believe in a strong defense.

What do you believe in?

 

[Spinaroonie]

I'm not sure about that. I haven't got any firm research data at my fingertips, but I read quite a bit. Over the past 10 years, every challenge of improprietry that has been sustained (proven) that I can recall seems to be against only one party.

Doesn't mean that the others dont' do it.

 

[Spinaroonie]

"Beloved" would not be an apt description. I am rather independent, but certainly lean the opposite direction of 'collectivism". I don't need a nanny and I don't want one. I believe in liberty, justice and the pursuit of happiness. I worry about those things. I believe in a strong defense.

What do you believe in?

I believe that the 4th amendment needs to mean somethign again. I believe in equality by demographic, and inequality by intellgence and ability. I believe that those who are downtrodden and down on their luck shouldn't be scoffed at, but given a helping hand. I also believe the gov't is not to be trusted.

By vote and support I am a Democrat.

 

[The_old_man]

Two things to say:
My grandfather always said that all polititions bought votes. The magor differance was that the Republicans usualy used thier own money.

If you realy look at all the"Anti-crime" bills that are proposed, the ones that penalise the criminal are writen by republicans. The ones that are primarily to disarme the HONEST citizen are by the democrets.

 

[The_old_man]

Two things to say:
My grandfather always said that all politicians bought votes. The magor differance was that the Republicans usualy used thier own money.

If you realy look at all the"Anti-crime" bills that are proposed, the ones that penalise the criminal are writen by republicans. The ones that are primarily to disarm the HONEST citizen are by the democrats.

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by sd412
I believe that the 4th amendment needs to mean somethign again. . .

By vote and support I am a Democrat.

Interesting dichotomy there. The Democratic Party leadership and the upper political hierarchy are so heavily Fascist in their leanings that you have more to fear from them with respect to Amendment IV that you do from the Republicans. But if this really means anything substantial to you, you should be voting with the libertarians, those who actually value, advocate and champion freedom and individual rights.

Originally posted by sd412
. . . I believe in equality by demographic, . . .

I'm absolutely baffled. Can you explain what the hell this means?
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[lavender]

 

[Stiphy]

Back to the fox thing.....

I live in Japan so I get exactly 3 channels for English news, the Fox channel is the most biased example of journalism this side of the great pond.

Once in a while when Im in the mood for mindless tight-ass rhetoric I flick between the WWF, Jerry Springer and the Fox News Channel, before settling down for a vintage Baywatch episode.

 

[Spinaroonie]

I'm absolutely baffled. Can you explain what the hell this means?
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Basically no discrimination based on race, sex, religion, orientation, etc. That it is all grey. Then couple that with the next sentance, the inequality.

That means the smarter people get the smart people jobs regardless of what they are (Their demographic if you will) And the physically able, will get the jobs suited to them (Should they persue that)

 

[RawHumor]

CNN isn't exactly unbiased. I still remember, right after the Columbine shootings happened, one of the reporters on CNN saying something like: And this comes on a day when Congress is voting on an important piece of gun control legislation.

Well, it's only important if you're FOR more gun control legislation...

I won't say that Fox News Channel doesn't lean to the right, but I disagree with the premise that they're the MOST biased news station. The others just lean the other way.

 

[Weevil]

CNN isn't exactly unbiased. I still remember, right after the Columbine shootings happened, one of the reporters on CNN saying something like: And this comes on a day when Congress is voting on an important piece of gun control legislation.

Well, it's only important if you're FOR more gun control legislation...

I won't say that Fox News Channel doesn't lean to the right, but I disagree with the premise that they're the MOST biased news station. The others just lean the other way.

Two things

1) Ask the NRA if they don't believe whether or not a gun control bill gets passed is important or not.

2. Then you're not basing it on anything. First off, there's no concrete proof that any other major news organization slants one way or the other, the last person to attempt to show that there was failed miserably. Second I'm basing what I said about Fox news on a FAIR study. How about you? What are you basing your opinion on?

 

[Unclebill]

Originally posted by lavender
You honestly believe this? Really? Uncle Bill are you simply unaware of the different voting records of conservative vs. liberal judges? What does the 4th Amendment mean to you?

This statement is so far from the reality of the way our criminal justice system works and the court's interpretation of the 4th Amendment that it is just beyond belief.

Honestly, I don't follow all that many court decisions and proceedings. Were I in your field, I probably would pay a bit more attention to this aspect. I do try to stay somewhat aware of what the legislature does.

But, considering the legislators' propensity to ignore their constitutional restraints, yes. It is not exclusively the Democrats, but more so than the Republicans. It is the Democrats primarily who advocate and enact environmental laws which obviate private property rights. It is Democrats primarily who enact and advocate laws dictating personal choices and action in the economic sphere. Social Security was their creation. None of these are permitted to them as Constitutional powers, but they persist in these pursuits.

Both parties seem to favor the Civil Asset Forfeiture laws which are blatantly unconstitutional and I seem to remember it was a more conservative court that prohibited the use of the infrared imaging devices without a search warrant.

But watching the two parties in action, it seems to be the Democrats who are more inclined to advocate legislation micromanaging everything I do of a private property or financial nature.

And it is this demonstrated propensity on which I base my judgment that they are of a Fascist mindset.

As to criminal prosecution, and this is heavily generalized, it seems that those of the liberal mindset are reluctant to hold people accountable for their actions. The Clinton debacle is a perfect example. The commission of a felony should be excused because of his political value to the party although no one would be honest enough to actually state it so clearly as I do.

What do you think the Democrats' attempt to censure him was following their blatant rejection of justice in the impeachment? It was nothing more than to try and create some sort of facade that they actually have some principles and respect for justice when in truth they do not because they voted to not convict a criminal action.

And it is the liberal mentality that seeks to evade personal responsibility generally. While loudly declaring how they advocate individual rights and freedoms, they abhor the idea of the responsibility and accountability that is the rational corollary. Why else do they seek to blame cigarette manufacturers for smokers decisions to use the product? Why do they expect others to pay for the health care of smokers? Why do they file suit against tobacco companies to recover health costs and then use the money they steal for everything on their agenda including such health care facilities and libraries?

It is based on the overall behavior of the leaders of the Democratic Party that I make this judgment.

And at the moment, we have a cabal of 5(?) Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee who are preventing the confirmation of a judge to the Federal bench who would get the votes if he were brought before the Senate. But these few are determined for their own political purposes alone to prevent that.

The abuses of legislators are vast, far reaching and date back a century and a half. The abuses have escalated as we have moved from the citizen legislator concept of the founders to the career politician which breed the tyrants we have today in public office.

Originally posted by sd412
Basically no discrimination based on race, sex, religion, orientation, etc. That it is all grey. . .

I find it interesting that you try to equate equality and no discrimination.

I've addressed the idea of equality before so I'll be very brief here.

The only context in which equality can rationally be defined is in the aspect of rights. Everyone has the same rights. Rights are innate. If it is not universal, i. e. applies to every exactly the same, then it is not a right.

Discrimination is choice, nothing more. Discrimination may be very reasoned, rational and intelligent or it may be totally irrational, but it is a choice nonetheless.

Many proponents of the liberal political bent wish to use discrimination as a pejorative term but they show their bias and prejudice by doing so. By advocating the elimination of discrimination, they are in truth advocating the elimination of one's freedom to choose.

Originally posted by Weevil
Two things

1) Ask the NRA if they don't believe whether or not a gun control bill gets passed is important or not.

2. Then you're not basing it on anything. First off, there's no concrete proof that any other major news organization slants one way or the other, the last person to attempt to show that there was failed miserably. Second I'm basing what I said about Fox news on a FAIR study. How about you? What are you basing your opinion on?

Why am I not at all surprised that FAIR said there's no bias. I've seen a couple of their people and they would see Bill Press as middle-of-the-road and he's a Socialist. Try a somewhat objective source. Here are a couple of references: "Coloring the News" by William McGowan, "Bias" by Bernard Goldberg, and "It Ain't Necessarily So" by David Murray, Joel Schwartz and S. Robert Lichter.
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[lavender]

 

[KillerMuffin]

All news media is biased because all news media requires money to survive. All have an agenda, every single human being has a political agenda. Even if it only means getting pizza for dinner instead of meatloaf.

Some are just more biased than others. I would no more pay attention to anything from a Libertarian news source than I would Rush Limbaugh or commondreams.org. I get my news mostly from Reuters which is as unslanted as anything I've found out there. Reuters.com has no editorial pages, which is nice.

Bill, Democrats are not fascist. Do you even know what fascist means? Everything you write seems as if it's cut and pasted from a libertarian site rather than from your own brain. It doesn't always match the quote you've added in. Perhaps it's the fact that it's so incredibly rhetoric laden and essentially nothing beyond thinly-veiled insults toward other political groups.

Democrats are very strongly for the rights of the people. Democrats are socialist, yes, but not in the spirit of the USSR. More in the spirit of Canada or Britian. They want the government involved in the family and community through social programs. Welfare, health care, abuse issues, pregnancy, abortion, all of those things that were traditionally solved by family or church. The believe in things like total freedom of speech. A democrat was instrumental into getting the flag case into the Supreme Court. Flag etiquette used to be the law. Now it's only guidelines. Putting the flag on the ground was a misdemeanor offense. Democrats believe in total freedom of religion. Madeline Murray O'Hare-- if I have this correct-- was/is a Democrat. This is NOT fascist behavior.

Before you accuse someone of being a tyrannical, autocratic dictator, you really should understand what you're accusing them of.