Whose values are prevailing?

Whose values are prevailing?

  • Blues (liberals; the majority in the Kerry states)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Reds (conservatives; the majority in Bush states)

    Votes: 2 66.7%
  • Neither

    Votes: 1 33.3%

  • Total voters
    3
  • Poll closed .

Pure

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{thread dedicated to shereads}
I found this a nice skewering piece about the two sides of the 'values' (red) people--those where Bush prevailed easily.

Fox network endorses Bush and 'values' while running wife swap tales ("Trading Spouses". Murdoch is the publisher of Jenna Jameson, How to Make Love like a Porn Star.

I do have one question. Can the deeply Blue folks like Sher, cant, imp survive on sleaze in this new era? Do you absolutely have to have the pervy stuff?


On 'Moral Values,' It's Blue in A Landslide


By FRANK RICH (NYTimes)
Published: November 14, 2004

[start excerpts]

FAREWELL to Swift boats and ''Shove it!,'' to Osama's tape and Saddam's missing weapons, to ''security moms'' and outsourced dads. They've all been sent to history's dustbin faster than Ralph Nader memorabilia was dumped on eBay. In their stead stands a single ambiguous phrase coined by an anonymous exit pollster: ''Moral values.'' By near universal agreement the morning after, these two words tell the entire story of the election: it's the culture, stupid.

''It really is Michael Moore versus Mel Gibson,'' said Newt Gingrich. To Jon Stewart, Nov. 2 was the red states' revenge on ''Will & Grace.'' William Safire, speaking on ''Meet the Press,'' called the Janet Jackson fracas ''the social-political event of the past year.'' Karl Rove was of the same mind: ''I think it's people who are concerned about the coarseness of our culture, about what they see on the television sets, what they see in the movies ''

And let's not even get started on the two most dreaded words in American comedy, regardless of your party affiliation: Whoopi Goldberg.

There's only one problem with the storyline proclaiming that the country swung to the right on cultural issues in 2004. Like so many other narratives that immediately calcify into our 24/7 media's conventional wisdom, it is fiction. Everything about the election results -- and about American culture itself -- confirms an inescapable reality: John Kerry's defeat notwithstanding, it's blue America, not red, that is inexorably winning the culture war, and by a landslide. Kerry voters who have been flagellating themselves since Election Day with a vengeance worthy of ''The Passion of the Christ'' should wake up and smell the Chardonnay.

The blue ascendancy is nearly as strong among Republicans as it is among Democrats. Those whose ''moral values'' are invested in cultural heroes like the accused loofah fetishist Bill O'Reilly and the self-gratifying drug consumer Rush Limbaugh are surely joking when they turn apoplectic over MTV.[...]Excess and vulgarity, as always, enjoy a vast, bipartisan constituency, and in a democracy no political party will ever stamp them out.

If anyone is laughing all the way to the bank this election year, it must be the undisputed king of the red cultural elite, Rupert Murdoch. Fox News is a rising profit center within his News Corporation, and each red-state dollar that it makes can be plowed back into the rest of Fox's very blue entertainment portfolio.

The Murdoch cultural stable includes recent books like Jenna Jameson's ''How to Make Love Like a Porn Star'' and the Vivid Girls' ''How to Have a XXX Sex Life,'' which have both been synergistically, even joyously, promoted on Fox News by willing hosts like Rita Cosby and, needless to say, Mr. O'Reilly. There are ''real fun parts and exciting parts,'' said Ms. Cosby to Ms. Jameson on Fox News's ''Big Story Weekend,'' an encounter broadcast on Saturday at 9 p.m., assuring its maximum exposure to unsupervised kids.

Almost unnoticed in the final weeks of the campaign was the record government indecency fine levied against another prime-time Fox television product, ''Married by America.'' The $1.2 million bill, a mere bagatelle to Murdoch stockholders, was more than twice the punishment inflicted on Viacom for Janet Jackson's ''wardrobe malfunction.''

According to the F.C.C. complaint, one episode in this heterosexual marriage-promoting reality show included scenes in which ''partygoers lick whipped cream from strippers' bodies,'' and two female strippers ''playfully spank'' a man on all fours in his underwear. ''Married by America'' is gone now, but Fox remains the go-to network for Paris Hilton (''The Simple Life'') and wife-swapping (''Trading Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy'').

None of this has prompted an uprising from the red-state Fox News loyalists supposedly so preoccupied with ''moral values.'' They all gladly contribute fungible dollars to Fox culture by boosting their fair-and-balanced channel's rise in the ratings. Some of these red staters may want to make love like porn stars besides. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.) An ABC News poll two weeks before the election found that more Republicans than Democrats enjoy sex ''a great deal.''

[...]
It's in the G.O.P.'s interest to pander to this far-right constituency -- votes are votes -- but you can be certain that a party joined at the hip to much of corporate America, Mr. Murdoch included, will take no action to curtail the blue culture these voters deplore. As Marshall Wittman, an independent-minded former associate of both Ralph Reed and John McCain, wrote before the election, ''The only things the religious conservatives get are largely symbolic votes on proposals guaranteed to fail, such as the gay marriage constitutional amendment.'' That amendment has never had a prayer of rounding up the two-thirds majority needed for passage and still doesn't.

Mr. Wittman echoes Thomas Frank, the author of ''What's the Matter With Kansas?,'' by common consent the year's most prescient political book. ''Values,'' Mr. Frank writes, ''always take a backseat to the needs of money once the elections are won.'' Under this perennial ''trick,'' as he calls it, Republican politicians promise to stop abortion and force the culture industry ''to clean up its act'' -- until the votes are counted. Then they return to their higher priorities, like cutting capital gains and estate taxes.

Mr. Murdoch and his fellow cultural barons -- from Sumner Redstone, the Bush-endorsing C.E.O. of Viacom, to Richard Parsons, the Republican C.E.O. of Time Warner, to Jeffrey Immelt, the Bush-contributing C.E.O. of G.E. (NBC Universal) -- are about to be rewarded not just with more tax breaks but also with deregulatory goodies increasing their power to market salacious entertainment. It's they, not Susan Sarandon and Bruce Springsteen, who actually set the cultural agenda Gary Bauer and company say they despise.
[end excerpt]
 
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I have added an intro. I think some will find the piece interesting.
 
Pure said:
I do have one question. Can the deeply Blue folks like Sher, cant, imp survive on sleaze in this new era? Do you absolutely have to have the pervy stuff?

I am so deeply touched to be listed in such wonderful company! :rose:

I don't have to have the "pervy stuff" -- but I do have to have the shereads and cantdogs of the world. I don't wanna be anywhere without 'em. (Of course, we'll make the "pervy stuff" wherever we may roam. It grows on us -- like a fungus.)
 
I'm pretty darn vanilla, actually.

It disturbs me that the pols' supporters push the envelope and saturate the air with cunt, and then that this is exactly what will make the Bible Belters and prayer groups vote for Big Oil. Without the cunt, no votes for them.
 
Well, the mercury and arsenic, the ozone and sulfur dioxides, the Roundup and the feces all went up. Reps took the profits. Dems pointed to it in shock and horror, got a few votes.

The gay sex and innuendo went up, Reps pointed to it in shock and horror after taking the profits, got busloads of Pentecostals to vote for more or the same. It was more important to them than losing control of the sources of information or being spied on all day and night. It was more important than anything. The penis vote: look where they're putting their penises!

It's fine for gays to fight and die in the desert, but don't let them get married!

pfui

cantdog
 
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