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One or the other has to be totally lying. Which is it?
Who's lying: 3 middle eastern guys, or white lady from Georgia?
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lovetoread
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Both of them were mistaken.
They (the students) were playing tease the redneck.
You know the game that you do when you look different and go to a place that is almost all uh rednecky?
They probably thought they would mention all that to make fun of the rednecks.
Well the white lady,having overheard just bits and pieces,figured that they must be up to no good,I mean why would 3 fellas of that race be driving all the way through GA for if not to blow something up?
Hence they both are wrong in this sotry.
They (the students) were playing tease the redneck.
You know the game that you do when you look different and go to a place that is almost all uh rednecky?
They probably thought they would mention all that to make fun of the rednecks.
Well the white lady,having overheard just bits and pieces,figured that they must be up to no good,I mean why would 3 fellas of that race be driving all the way through GA for if not to blow something up?
Hence they both are wrong in this sotry.
Bob_Bytchin
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I've seen numerous interviews with the woman, and seen a few with the three students. Honestly, I can't say that the woman was totally lying, but the students do seem very convincing. They seem to have goals and aspirations that fit in with the American ideal, so I really don't think the woman heard what she thought she heard.
When in a public place, you tend to overhear bits and pieces, and your brain puts them together to fit what you want to hear. I think this was all just a big mistake, and hope that these guys can get back to their hospital studying.
When in a public place, you tend to overhear bits and pieces, and your brain puts them together to fit what you want to hear. I think this was all just a big mistake, and hope that these guys can get back to their hospital studying.
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My money is on the three students ...
Not only did they deny making any mention of the statements overheard, but they also denied they were stopped when one car drove through the toll boothe and being confrontational when questioned ... both of the which can be proven factual.
I'm not suggesting that they're guilty of being terrorists ... but rather, that they have lied with their denials of subsequent events.
Not only did they deny making any mention of the statements overheard, but they also denied they were stopped when one car drove through the toll boothe and being confrontational when questioned ... both of the which can be proven factual.
I'm not suggesting that they're guilty of being terrorists ... but rather, that they have lied with their denials of subsequent events.
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Re: My money is on the three students ...
Really? Under the USA-PATRIOT ACT, which you support, they can be given the terrorist treatment for just walking down the street. Doesn't that make you feel safer, Cherry?
Cherry said:
Really? Under the USA-PATRIOT ACT, which you support, they can be given the terrorist treatment for just walking down the street. Doesn't that make you feel safer, Cherry?
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I've learned to shy away from the one is lying & one is telling the truth approach to contrasting accounts of the same event.
Sometimes somebody is exaggerating to make themselves look good while leaving out details to cover their ass.
Sometimes people are confused/oblivious to the facts.
Sometimes you get examples of one or the other or both-
In other words, there is no guarentee either account is factual.
Sometimes somebody is exaggerating to make themselves look good while leaving out details to cover their ass.
Sometimes people are confused/oblivious to the facts.
Sometimes you get examples of one or the other or both-
In other words, there is no guarentee either account is factual.
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Bob_Bytchin said:
Yeah, I think the waitress wanted to be a National hero. "Look at me! I saved us from some sort of terror attack! Give me money and make me meet the President!"
Wonder how that's working out for her
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The students noticed that being in the same restaurant with some middle eastern men made the white lady nervous so they started talking about 9-11 to really get her attention. It was all about some fun and games for them till the FBI showed up...
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Angel said:
I did it quite often..
Its fun.
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Who's Lying
Since I don't think we've heard the last about this, I'll reserve my comments till later. But I did vote that neither was lying, but I reserve the right to change that also.LOL!
Since I don't think we've heard the last about this, I'll reserve my comments till later. But I did vote that neither was lying, but I reserve the right to change that also.LOL!
lovetoread
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Angel said:I do it now. It's fun to make people stare at the crazy white girl.
I'd do it here in Jersey,but these people look crazier than I do.
I am a bit scared.
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What does fucking race have to do with it?
I should have figured it'd be written divisive. I heard the female tell the same story on different channels virtually unchanged in content. The "students" when telling their side of it, displayed every body & eye signal indicating they were concealing some portion of the story. They used the "race card" first! Tell me, do you work for a polling company? Sure looks like a directed question away from the facts.
(I'm a trained hostage negotiator with body language training)
I should have figured it'd be written divisive. I heard the female tell the same story on different channels virtually unchanged in content. The "students" when telling their side of it, displayed every body & eye signal indicating they were concealing some portion of the story. They used the "race card" first! Tell me, do you work for a polling company? Sure looks like a directed question away from the facts.
(I'm a trained hostage negotiator with body language training)
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Re: My money is on the three students ...
I've seen a few interviews with the three guys, and not once did they deny saying "Do we have enough to bring it down"...nor did they deny mentioning "Sept 11th" or "Sept 13th"...but they did say that the woman either misunderstood, or heard something she wanted to hear.
As for the toll booth blowby, the interview this morning on Today mentioned this fact. When Matt Lauer asked if they had blown through the toll-booth, they did deny this, and they said that the surveillance camera tapes will prove this fact. So, we will see on this one.
As for being confrontational, one of them did say that he was irate at being considered a terror suspect, and that he did get confrontational with the police when they were treating him as if he was guilty. He said that he understood, because of all the recent events, but that he was also wanting to protect his own rights.
I say that their backgrounds should be investigated, and if no red flags pop up, they should have a public apology.
But I am glad that this woman was alert, however, I think that bits and pieces of a conversation do not create a conspiracy.
As Patient1 asked:
Cherry said:
I've seen a few interviews with the three guys, and not once did they deny saying "Do we have enough to bring it down"...nor did they deny mentioning "Sept 11th" or "Sept 13th"...but they did say that the woman either misunderstood, or heard something she wanted to hear.
As for the toll booth blowby, the interview this morning on Today mentioned this fact. When Matt Lauer asked if they had blown through the toll-booth, they did deny this, and they said that the surveillance camera tapes will prove this fact. So, we will see on this one.
As for being confrontational, one of them did say that he was irate at being considered a terror suspect, and that he did get confrontational with the police when they were treating him as if he was guilty. He said that he understood, because of all the recent events, but that he was also wanting to protect his own rights.
I say that their backgrounds should be investigated, and if no red flags pop up, they should have a public apology.
But I am glad that this woman was alert, however, I think that bits and pieces of a conversation do not create a conspiracy.
As Patient1 asked:
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Re: Re: My money is on the three students ...
That situation was a good example of how current legislation should work. You fail to understand the full implications. These students given the "terrorist treatment" were not walking down the street ... the nurse in Georgia might have misunderstood what was overheard (however, she still adamantly denies that she made any of it up) ... if what she heard was correctly reported, the authorities had good cause to find and question the young men. BUT, the part that you don't seem to acknowledge is that they were thoroughly questioned and searched by reasonable officials ... AND RELEASED after ascertaining that they were not a risk to public safety.
And yes, it does make me feel safer that they could be tracked, found and determined to be innocent of terrorist activities.
You want to be critical of me for being supportive of the US Patriots Act? So be it. Your opinion of me doesn't bother me. Some of your threads (There is no God) shows me what a young, searching, still-in-the-works, misguided person you are.
By the way, just to enlighten you a little about other countries' reaction to protection from terrorists, consider this excerpt from a recent article:
In the course of researching the state of liberty and security after 9/11, I've been especially struck by how restrained America's legal response appears when contrasted with that of our European allies. Although they weren't directly attacked, the countries of the European Union passed anti-terrorism measures during the past year that are far more sweeping than anything adopted in the United States. In October, France expanded the powers of the police to search private property without a warrant. Germany has engaged in religious profiling of suspected terrorists, a practice that was upheld in a court challenge. In Britain, which has become a kind of privacy dystopia, Parliament passed a sweeping anti-terrorism law in December that authorizes a central government authority to record and store all communications data generated by e-mail, Internet browsing or other electronic communications, and to make the data available to law enforcement without a court order. The new British anti-terrorism law gives the home secretary unilateral power to designate as an "international terrorist" anyone whom he perceives as a "risk to national security," and to indefinitely detain the person without charge if the individual can't be deported. In May, the European Union authorized all of its members to pass similar laws requiring data retention.
As I have maintained in previous threads ... these are dangerous times that require less tolerance of perceived threats to national safety. Recent judicial challenges to the US Patriots Act comforts me in knowing that the necessary 'Checks and Balances' protect our liberties, while maintaining defense from those that would come here with the intent to kill us.
Spinaroonie said:
That situation was a good example of how current legislation should work. You fail to understand the full implications. These students given the "terrorist treatment" were not walking down the street ... the nurse in Georgia might have misunderstood what was overheard (however, she still adamantly denies that she made any of it up) ... if what she heard was correctly reported, the authorities had good cause to find and question the young men. BUT, the part that you don't seem to acknowledge is that they were thoroughly questioned and searched by reasonable officials ... AND RELEASED after ascertaining that they were not a risk to public safety.
And yes, it does make me feel safer that they could be tracked, found and determined to be innocent of terrorist activities.
You want to be critical of me for being supportive of the US Patriots Act? So be it. Your opinion of me doesn't bother me. Some of your threads (There is no God) shows me what a young, searching, still-in-the-works, misguided person you are.
By the way, just to enlighten you a little about other countries' reaction to protection from terrorists, consider this excerpt from a recent article:
In the course of researching the state of liberty and security after 9/11, I've been especially struck by how restrained America's legal response appears when contrasted with that of our European allies. Although they weren't directly attacked, the countries of the European Union passed anti-terrorism measures during the past year that are far more sweeping than anything adopted in the United States. In October, France expanded the powers of the police to search private property without a warrant. Germany has engaged in religious profiling of suspected terrorists, a practice that was upheld in a court challenge. In Britain, which has become a kind of privacy dystopia, Parliament passed a sweeping anti-terrorism law in December that authorizes a central government authority to record and store all communications data generated by e-mail, Internet browsing or other electronic communications, and to make the data available to law enforcement without a court order. The new British anti-terrorism law gives the home secretary unilateral power to designate as an "international terrorist" anyone whom he perceives as a "risk to national security," and to indefinitely detain the person without charge if the individual can't be deported. In May, the European Union authorized all of its members to pass similar laws requiring data retention.
As I have maintained in previous threads ... these are dangerous times that require less tolerance of perceived threats to national safety. Recent judicial challenges to the US Patriots Act comforts me in knowing that the necessary 'Checks and Balances' protect our liberties, while maintaining defense from those that would come here with the intent to kill us.
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They did not "blow by" the toll booth. The first car paid for the second. I will find the article verifying this.
Secondly, She has stated something to the effect of "The first time I saw them, I knew they were trouble." Once I'm done working on what I'm working on, I'll find the news story where she made this quote.
She was just a patron in a restaurant. Why can none of the other patrons or restaurant employees verify any of what the lady said?
Thirdly, the students lost their jobs at the hospital because of this lady's unproven, unverified accusations. They should sue her ass for slander.
Secondly, She has stated something to the effect of "The first time I saw them, I knew they were trouble." Once I'm done working on what I'm working on, I'll find the news story where she made this quote.
She was just a patron in a restaurant. Why can none of the other patrons or restaurant employees verify any of what the lady said?
Thirdly, the students lost their jobs at the hospital because of this lady's unproven, unverified accusations. They should sue her ass for slander.
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After her third trip to the all you can eat biscuit and gravy bar the cholesterol probably clogged her judgement. Even if these guys said what she claims, it has been proven it was done as a joke. This is not worthy of them being cost their residency.
I live just north of this area where it happend. Around here, having an open mind means you like your steaks medium well, not well done. I think I buy their version of the story, that she was gawking and making comments. It fits the local redneck M.O..
I live just north of this area where it happend. Around here, having an open mind means you like your steaks medium well, not well done. I think I buy their version of the story, that she was gawking and making comments. It fits the local redneck M.O..
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Re: What does fucking race have to do with it?
For a supposed Libertarian, you're awfully comfortable with the "guilty until proven innocent" state of mind.
I guess Big Government is okay, so long as it keeps us safe from brown-skinned medical students.
Lost Cause said:I should have figured it'd be written divisive. I heard the female tell the same story on different channels virtually unchanged in content. The "students" when telling their side of it, displayed every body & eye signal indicating they were concealing some portion of the story. They used the "race card" first! Tell me, do you work for a polling company? Sure looks like a directed question away from the facts.
(I'm a trained hostage negotiator with body language training)
For a supposed Libertarian, you're awfully comfortable with the "guilty until proven innocent" state of mind.
I guess Big Government is okay, so long as it keeps us safe from brown-skinned medical students.
