Who's afraid of the big bad Commies?

[pecksniff]

It's a spent force in the world. The Zapatista rebels in Mexico did not even call themselves Marxists -- they would have, if their rebellion had begun 20 or even 10 years earlier. The name of Marx has lost its power to conjure. The Chinese Communists want to remain in power, make their country rich, and make it the hegemonic power in Eastern Asia, but they certainly have no interest, any more, in stirring up Communist revolution in other countries. (The Cultural Revolution is the kind of thing that could not happen again, because nobody in China has that much zeal for Communism any more.) The North Koreans do not even call themselves Communists any more, and that is no play for international approval, which they know very well is out of their reach. There has not been a Communist revolution anywhere in the world since Afghanistan in the late 1970s. The Russian Communist Party still exists, but only as Putin's opposition.

And, no, the American Democrats are not Communists, not even their farthest-left wing. BLM are not Communists. Neither are Antifa, although their movement does have definite roots in the Communist Party in 1920s Germany.

Even the John Birch Society has dropped the Commie-menace talk. (They're all about the NWO, now -- something having to do with a conspiracy of European intellectuals dating from 1776, which happens to be the year the Illuminati was founded, but that's another story.)

Reading all the RW talk about "Communists" on this board, I can't help sniffing a whiff of nostalgia for the Cold War. See Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell.

 

[Rightguide]

Who's afraid of the big bad Commies?
It's a spent force in the world.

Ask the Uyghur people, who's afraid of big bad Commies. Ask any freedom loving Chinese citizen, or those living in Hong Kong, who are afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Vietnamese government and the Indian government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Philippine Government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the South Korean government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Aussies who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Japanese government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Cincpac Commander who's afraid of the big bad Commies.

 

[CornusKousa]

Ask the Uyghur people, who's afraid of big bad Commies. Ask any freedom loving Chinese citizen, or those living in Hong Kong, who are afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Vietnamese government and the Indian government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Philippine Government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the South Korean government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Aussies who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Japanese government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Cincpac Commander who's afraid of the big bad Commies.

But they're your FRIEND!!! Just ask peck....the CCP mouthpiece on lit.

 

[SyLent]

for many decades

millions fled one

to come to another

there are many here you can AXE, PeckerSniffer

 

[pecksniff]

Ask the Uyghur people, who's afraid of big bad Commies. Ask any freedom loving Chinese citizen, or those living in Hong Kong, who are afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Vietnamese government and the Indian government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Philippine Government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the South Korean government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Aussies who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Japanese government who's afraid of the big bad Commies. Ask the Cincpac Commander who's afraid of the big bad Commies.

The Uyghurs and Hong Kongers are being treated as they might be by any heavy authoritarian non-Communist nationalist state. The government is not trying to turn them into Communists, it is trying to turn them Chinese. (It's not too different from the experience of American Indians in the 19th Century, watching their sons sent to white-run schools whose motto was, "Kill the Indian, save the man.") The Vietnamese government are not afraid of Commies because they are Commies, at least in the attenuated sense the Chinese are, and they have no further-left rebellions to deal with. In India, Communists have governed the state of Kerala for decades and seem to be doing a good job; they don't threaten any India-wide revolution -- the ruling party are Hindu traditionalist-nationalists, now. The only rebels the Philippines worry about are Islamist. The SK government is afraid of NK for obvious reasons, but of nobody else in the Red world, and NK ain't even Commie no more, not officially -- the conflict is really a nationalist one, with NK stubbornly insisting it is the Korea, the sole legitimate government of the whole peninsula, because the regime's internal legitimacy depends on that position. I never heard of any Red Scare in Australia, though I wouldn't rule out the possibility. Japanese Communists have been insignificant since the 1940s. CINPAC might be afraid of China, but that's not the same thing as being afraid of Communism, it is only a matter of pre-Cold-War Great Powers rivalry.

 

[CornusKousa]

The Uyghurs and Hong Kongers are being treated as they might be by any heavy authoritarian non-Communist nationalist state.

This guy is trying to church up if not outright defend genocide....because it's ok when lefty comrades do it!!

 

[Rightguide]

The Vietnamese government are not afraid of Commies because they are Commies, at least in the attenuated sense the Chinese are. In India, Communists have governed the state of Kerala for decades and seem to be doing a good job; they don't threaten any India-wide revolution.

You should be embarrassed at your lack of education. There isn't a more uninformed person on Lit. Remember this date February 17, 1979, that was the beginning of a 27 day war between communist China and communist Vietnam. The Vietnamese crushed the Chinese army and sent them limping back where they came from. Since then the Vietnamese fear of China has seen the Vietnamese government propose the return of the American Navy to their country by suggesting a return to Cam Ranh Bay. Presently they are in talks with the US and other nations to explore an allied defense against China:

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-p...oost-western-allies-its-defense-against-china

Right now the combat forces of India and China are face to face with each other and have engaged in armed hostilities.

 

[pecksniff]

This guy is trying to church up if not outright defend genocide....because it's ok when lefty comrades do it!!

I don't approve of non-Commie authoritarian nationalism either. What the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang is indefensible -- but it has nothing at all to do with any Red Menace.

The only expansionist program China is now pursuing is the Belt and Road Initiative, the purpose of which is distinctly capitalist, to make it easier for everybody else in the Eastern Hemisphere to trade with China. And why not? Once those roads and railroads and harbors are built, at Chinese expense, everybody can use them.

 

[pecksniff]

You should be embarrassed at your lack of education. There isn't a more uninformed person on Lit. Remember this date February 17, 1979, that was the beginning of a 27 day war between communist China and communist Vietnam. The Vietnamese crushed the Chinese army and sent them limping back where they came from. Since then the Vietnamese fear of China has seen the Vietnamese government propose the return of the American Navy to their country by suggesting a return to Cam Ranh Bay. Presently they are in talks with the US and other nations to explore an allied defense against China:

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-p...oost-western-allies-its-defense-against-china

That sort of conflict is national, not ideological. How could it be ideological, with Commies on both sides?

Right now the combat forces of India and China are face to face with each other and have engaged in armed hostilities.

Likewise. AIUI, they're only fighting over the border through some utterly worthless territory in the Himalayas. Purely a matter of national prestige. No revolutionary expansionism involved.

 

[CornusKousa]

I don't approve of non-Commie authoritarian nationalism either. What the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang is indefensible -- but it has nothing at all to do with any Red Menace.

Can't separate the behavior of ideologues from their ideology.

The only expansionist program China is now pursuing is the Belt and Road Initiative, the purpose of which is distinctly capitalist, to make it easier for everybody else in the Eastern Hemisphere to trade with China. And why not? Once those roads and railroads and harbors are built, at Chinese expense, everybody can use them.

I understand you need to lie about yourself about how wonderful an cuddly China is.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kHmLUYCUYT0/maxresdefault.jpg


But you're not going to lie to me about it.

 

[Rightguide]

I don't approve of non-Commie authoritarian nationalism either. What the Chinese are doing in Xinjiang is indefensible -- but it has nothing at all to do with any Red Menace.

It's the communist mentality that is making their genocide against the Uyghur possible.

The only expansionist program China is now pursuing is the Belt and Road Initiative, the purpose of which is distinctly capitalist, to make it easier for everybody else in the Eastern Hemisphere to trade with China. And why not? Once those roads and railroads and harbors are built, at Chinese expense, everybody can use them.

Total crap. Here's a little education for you:
China’s Worldwide Military Expansion
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/...HHRG-115-IG00-Wstate-BlumenthalD-20180517.pdf

 

[glamorilla]

It's a spent force in the world. The Zapatista rebels in Mexico did not even call themselves Marxists -- they would have, if their rebellion had begun 20 or even 10 years earlier. The name of Marx has lost its power to conjure. The Chinese Communists want to remain in power, make their country rich, and make it the hegemonic power in Eastern Asia, but they certainly have no interest, any more, in stirring up Communist revolution in other countries. (The Cultural Revolution is the kind of thing that could not happen again, because nobody in China has that much zeal for Communism any more.) The North Koreans do not even call themselves Communists any more, and that is no play for international approval, which they know very well is out of their reach. There has not been a Communist revolution anywhere in the world since Afghanistan in the late 1970s. The Russian Communist Party still exists, but only as Putin's opposition.

And, no, the American Democrats are not Communists, not even their farthest-left wing. BLM are not Communists. Neither are Antifa, although their movement does have definite roots in the Communist Party in 1920s Germany.

Even the John Birch Society has dropped the Commie-menace talk. (They're all about the NWO, now -- something having to do with a conspiracy of European intellectuals dating from 1776, which happens to be the year the Illuminati was founded, but that's another story.)

Reading all the RW talk about "Communists" on this board, I can't help sniffing a whiff of nostalgia for the Cold War. See Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell.

Why are you so afraid of freedom?

 

[pecksniff]

It's the communist mentality that is making their genocide against the Uyghur possible.

An American mentality would serve the same purpose, and historically has. These Uyghurs are their Indians.

Total crap. Here's a little education for you:
China’s Worldwide Military Expansion
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/...HHRG-115-IG00-Wstate-BlumenthalD-20180517.pdf

Like I said, China wants regional hegemony in Eastern Asia. Nothing in that document suggests any wider ambition than that.

 

[pecksniff]

Why are you so afraid of freedom?

When I was a child, Freedom killed my parents right in front of my eyes! I have vowed revenge!

 

[Rightguide]

An American mentality would serve the same purpose, and historically has. These Uyghurs are their Indians.



Like I said, China wants regional hegemony in Eastern Asia. Nothing in that document suggests any wider ambition than that.

Bullshit, they're all over the Middle East, Africa, South America and the Caribbean.

 

[glamorilla]

When I was a child, Freedom killed my parents right in front of my eyes! I have vowed revenge!

That wasn't freedom. It was fentanyl.

You got your "F"s mixed up.

 

[pecksniff]

Bullshit, they're all over the Middle East, Africa, South America and the Caribbean.

Any Chinese in those places are businesscritters, not troops. You'll find American businesscritters in the same places.

 

[SyLent]

It's the communist mentality that is making their genocide against the Uyghur possible.



Total crap. Here's a little education for you:
China’s Worldwide Military Expansion
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/...HHRG-115-IG00-Wstate-BlumenthalD-20180517.pdf

no

cause they are MUSLIMS and teh Chinx dont want TERRORISTS

good for them

 

[SyLent]

When I was a child, Freedom killed my parents right in front of my eyes! I have vowed revenge!

if you are the result

they deserved it

 

[pecksniff]

no

cause they are MUSLIMS and teh Chinx dont want TERRORISTS

good for them

Never heard of any Uyghur terrorism, but it wouldn't surprise me -- but it would probably be nationalist terrorism, not Islamist.

 

[Rightguide]

no

cause they are MUSLIMS and teh Chinx dont want TERRORISTS

good for them

What were they thinking and doing in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they were murdering millions upon millions of their Chinese citizens?

 

[SyLent]

What were they thinking and doing in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they were murdering millions upon millions of their Chinese citizens?

I

DONT


CARE

 

[pecksniff]

What were they thinking and doing in the 40s, 50s, and 60s when they were murdering millions upon millions of their Chinese citizens?

Some utterly confused notions about how to farm and how to industrialize, is what they were thinking of. See the Great Leap Forward. And then during the Cultural Revolution, Mao was thinking of a way to stay relevant after the party sidelined him because of the Great Leap Forward. But that is the kind of thing that cannot happen again, because nobody in China is that zealous for Communism any more.

 

[Rightguide]

Any Chinese in those places are businesscritters, not troops. You'll find American businesscritters in the same places.

That's bullshit. Realize that Hutchison-Whampoa a Chinese company and its partner COSCO are running and policing the locks of the Panama Canal. Note as well that COSCO is the merchant arm of the People's Liberation Army of China. The Chinese military has built military installations in Africa and is planning a large naval base on the Atlantic coast of Africa.

 

[Rightguide]

Some utterly confused notions about how to farm and how to industrialize, is what they were thinking of. See the Great Leap Forward. And then during the Cultural Revolution, Mao was thinking of a way to stay relevant after the party sidelined him because of the Great Leap Forward. But that is the kind of thing that cannot happen again, because nobody in China is that zealous for Communism any more.

Yeah he needed help with farming so he created a lot of human manure to freshen up the plains, right?