Who are there more women than men in college? Because women can find funding! Duh.

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Let's see a broke male college student find himself a "sugar momma".
Yup, women are oppressed. Horribly.

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Sugar Daddy & Sugar Baby Blog – Seeking Arrangement

NEW YORK — On a Sunday morning in late May, Taylor left her Harlem apartment and boarded a train for Greenwich, Conn. She planned on spending the day with a man she had met online, but not in person.

Taylor, a 22-year-old student at Hunter College, had confided in her roommate about the trip and they agreed to swap text messages during the day to make sure she was safe.

Once in Greenwich, a man who appeared significantly older than his advertised age of 42 greeted Taylor at the train station and then drove her to the largest house she had ever seen. He changed into his swimming trunks, she put on a skimpy bathing suit, and then, by the side of his pool, she rubbed sunscreen into the folds of his sagging back — bracing herself to endure an afternoon of sex with someone she suspected was actually about 30 years her senior.

Taylor doubted that her client could relate to someone who had grown up black and poor in the South Bronx. While he summered on Martha’s Vineyard, she’d likely pass another July and August working retail in Times Square.

A love match it wasn’t. But then again, this was no ordinary date.

A month prior, faced with about $15,000 in unpaid tuition and overdue bills, Taylor and her roommate typed “tuition,” “debt,” and “money for school” into Google. A website calledSeekingArrangement.com popped up. Intrigued by the promise of what the site billed as a “college tuition sugar daddy,” Taylor created a “sugar baby” profile and eventually connected with the man from Greenwich. (“Taylor” is the pseudonym she uses with men she meets online. Neither she nor any of the other women interviewed for this article permitted their real names be used.)

In her profile on the site, Taylor describes herself as “a full-time college student studying psychology and looking to meet someone to help pay the bills.” Photos on the site show her in revealing outfits, a mane of caramel-colored hair framing her face. But unlike other dating sites, where a user might also list preferred hobbies or desired traits, Taylor instead indicates preferences for a “sugar daddy” and an “arrangement” in the range of $1,000 to $3,000 a month.

Saddled with piles of student debt and a job-scarce, lackluster economy, current college students and recent graduates are selling themselves to pursue a diploma or pay down their loans. An increasing number, according to the the owners of websites that broker such hook-ups, have taken to the web in search of online suitors or wealthy benefactors who, in exchange for sex, companionship, or both, might help with the bills.

The past few years have taken an especially brutal toll on the plans and expectations of 20-somethings. As unemployment rates tick steadily higher, starting salaries have plummeted. Meanwhile, according to Jeffrey Jensen Arnett, a professor of psychology at Clark University, about 85 percent of the class of 2011 will likely move back in with their parents during some period of their post-college years, compared with 40 percent a decade ago.

Besides moving back home, many 20-somethings are beginning their adult lives shouldering substantial amounts of student loan debt. According to Mark Kantrowitz, who publishes the financial aid websites Fastweb.com and Finaid.org, while the average 2011 graduate finished school with about $27,200 in debt, many are straining to pay off significantly greater loans.

Enter the sugar daddy, sugar baby phenomenon. This particular dynamic preceded the economic meltdown, of course. Rich guys well past their prime have been plunking down money for thousands of years in search of a tryst or something more with women half their age — and women, willingly or not, have made themselves available. With the whole process going digital, women passing through a system of higher education that fosters indebtedness are using the anonymity of the web to sell their wares and pay down their college loans.

“Over the past few years, the number of college students using our site has exploded,” says Brandon Wade, the 41-year-old founder of Seeking Arrangement. Of the site’s approximately 800,000 members, Wade estimates that 35 percent are students. “College students are one of the biggest segments of our sugar babies and the numbers are growing all the time.”

Wade identifies clients who might be students on his site by a .edu email address, which the site verifies before it will allow a profile to become active. Currently, 82,510 profiles on the site contain one or more of the following keywords: school, college, university, money for school, student debt, college debt, tuition or college expenses. Wade says 110,126 women and 25,363 men list “student” as their occupation.

Wade rewards students who use a .edu email address to register on Seeking Arrangement by automatically upgrading their free, basic membership to a premium membership, allowing them to send unlimited free messages and granting them exclusive access to the site’s cadre of VIP sugar daddies. The site also includes a complimentary stamp on sudent profiles, certifying them as a “college sugar baby.”

Wade sees his company as providing a unique service, a chance for “men and women living through tough economic times to afford college.” He bristles at the notion that he’s merely running a thinly veiled, digital bordello, choosing instead to describe his site as one that facilitates “mutually beneficial relationships.”

Taylor doesn’t explicitly refer to what she was doing in Greenwich as prostitution, but she now allows that her primary motivation was, indeed, money. She and her host ended up in his bedroom, where he peeled off her bikini.

“I just wanted to get it over and done with as quickly as possible,” recalls Taylor, forcing out a nervous smile. “I just wanted to get out of that situation as safely as possible, pay off my debt, and move on.”

While she and her host hadn’t agreed to a set amount of money, on the drive back to the train station in Greenwich he handed her $350 in cash. She pocketed the envelope, seeing it as decent money for half a day’s work. But once on the train and no longer worried for her safety, she started to agonize over what she had just done.

“I never thought it would come to this. I got on the train and I felt dirty. I mean, I had just gotten money for having sex,” says Taylor, who never heard from the guy in Greenwich again. “I guess I accomplished what I needed to do. I needed the money for school. I just did what needed to be done.”

And she’s still doing what needs to be done. With tuition due in September to pay for her last semester of college, Taylor’s back on the hunt for other, more lucrative online hookups.

WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

“It’s a very expensive job,” says Jack, a 70-year-old sugar daddy, who describes himself as a “humanitarian” interested in helping young women in financial need. Jack isn’t the name that appears on his American Express black card, but an identity he uses when shopping online for companionship and sex.

Jack says he meets up twice a week with a young woman from Seeking Arrangement. He typically forks over about $500 a night — and that’s not including lavish dinners at Daniel or shopping excursions on Madison Avenue.

“Unlike a traditional escort service, I was surprised to find such an educated, smart population,” says Jack, during cocktail hour recently at the Ritz-Carlton in Manhattan. He said he lives next door in a penthouse apartment overlooking Central Park South and pays $22,000 a month in rent.

In his profile on Seeking Arrangement, Jack describes himself as a 67-year-old with a bachelor’s degree. Prior to retiring, the divorced Charleston, S.C., native says he founded four financial services companies. But after taking a big hit in the financial crisis and being forced to downsize, Jack says he had to part ways with his private jet due to what he describes as “reduced circumstances.” On the site, he lists his annual income as $1 million and his net worth as something between $50 and $100 million.

While sugar babies can create profiles on Seeking Arrangement free of charge and a regular sugar daddy membership costs $50 each month, Jack pays $2,400 a year to belong to the Diamond Club. For a sugar daddy willing to pay up, the site says it verifies his identity, annual income, and net worth and then ensures his profile gets the most traction by continually allowing it to pop up in the top tier of search results.

Educated, debt-ridden 20-somethings happen to be an age demographic that intersects nicely with Jack’s preferences. “I only go out with girls 25 and under,” says Jack, whose thick head of white hair and bushy eyebrows form a halo around a red, flushed face. “But I can’t walk into a bar and go up to a 25-year-old. They’d think I’m a pervert. So, this is how I go about meeting them.”

As he continues, he repeatedly glances over his shoulder to make sure no one is listening.

“Most of these young women have debt from school,” says Jack, who finds most young women also carry an average of $8,000 in credit-card debt. “I guess I like the college girls more because I think of their student debt as good debt. At least it seems like I’m helping them out, like I’m helping them to get a better life.”
 
Funny how you see prostitution as empowerment

and remember what I said earlier about how you blame women first and then the crime... well.. tah dah
 
See, there you go again.

If a guy is saddled with college debt he's just done for.
At least a woman in that situation has options.


that still doesnt explain why you blamed women as a whole first

and you feel outraged that more women don't feel the need to sexual exploit people there children's age?

if these women are doing such a horrible thing.. why arent the morally superior men not buying these women for sex?

oh wait, i know.. these women are forcing these men.. like the 70 year old guy in the story.. he clearly is being forced at gunpoint to buy these women's bodies

that truly is tragic
 
College is tution free in Sweden, and there's good student loan deals backed by government so that everybody can afford living expenses while getting a degree, and you can pay it off reasonably and even write it off in case of lengthy unemployment. Higher education is not a money issue.

Still more female students.

Explain that.
 
College is tution free in Sweden, and there's good student loan deals backed by government so that everybody can afford living expenses while getting a degree, and you can pay it off reasonably and even write it off in case of lengthy unemployment. Higher education is not a money issue.

Still more female students.

Explain that.

well.. clearly the government must have been bribed with sexual favours


clearly
 
well.. clearly the government must have been bribed with sexual favours


clearly
I worked for the student grant authority paper pusher for a while. Sure as hell didn't score me any college pussy. :(
 
I worked for the student grant authority paper pusher for a while. Sure as hell didn't score me any college pussy. :(

you probably were in the shift change slot for all those women wanting to gain their education on their back


talk about poor timing
 
that still doesnt explain why you blamed women as a whole first

and you feel outraged that more women don't feel the need to sexual exploit people there children's age?

if these women are doing such a horrible thing.. why arent the morally superior men not buying these women for sex?

oh wait, i know.. these women are forcing these men.. like the 70 year old guy in the story.. he clearly is being forced at gunpoint to buy these women's bodies

that truly is tragic
Aw, poor, poor oppressed women college students.

At least broke assed jobless college women have options to pay for their tuition.

Again you run away from the question, but of course you always do: What options do broke assed jobless college men have?

College is tution free in Sweden, and there's good student loan deals backed by government so that everybody can afford living expenses while getting a degree, and you can pay it off reasonably and even write it off in case of lengthy unemployment. Higher education is not a money issue.

Still more female students.

Explain that.
I was trolling. Badbabysitter ate the hook in record time.
 
sure you were
Admit it, your chain got yanked with that opener.

The truth is you are too scared to address the real issue. You keep running away every time I present it: women have more options for making money than men do.

A poor man starves. A poor woman can prostitute. If A) starving to death were worse than B) prostitution then many women wouldn't be willingly choosing option B. Men don't have option B. That's oppression of women for ya! :rolleyes:
 
See, there you go again.

If a guy is saddled with college debt he's just done for.
At least a woman in that situation has options.

C'mon, LT, there are plenty of illegal activities broke male college students could engage in to make money, including prostitution. Don't limit yourself. Go for it.
 
Admit it, your chain got yanked with that opener.

The truth is you are too scared to address the real issue. You keep running away every time I present it: women have more options for making money than men do.

A poor man starves. A poor woman can prostitute. If A) starving to death were worse than B) prostitution then many women wouldn't be willingly choosing option B. Men don't have option B. That's oppression of women for ya! :rolleyes:



My " chain got yanked" because in another post I stated that you blame women as a whole before you blame the crime... and predictably you did so


As for your second point.. the idea that prostitution as a wonderful career choice should seem foolish even to you

Prostitution wouldnt exist if men didnt feel the need to buy sex from women in the first place.... these are not women forcing their bodies on men in return for cash


Untill you can prove that prostitution is ethically just and doesn't involve exploitation your arguement has no merit
 
C'mon, LT, there are plenty of illegal activities broke male college students could engage in to make money, including prostitution. Don't limit yourself. Go for it.
Prostitution involves a buyer and a seller. Males have no market value when it comes to prostitution. 99% of male college students out there couldn't find a gay male client, much LESS a woman client.

Women, especially, don't pay for sex. (Because they either don't need it or already have access to it.)
 
Yhbt

You're STILL not answering the question.

As for your second point.. the idea that prostitution as a wonderful career choice should seem foolish even to you
It's better than not having any money at all.

Prostitution wouldnt exist if men didnt feel the need to buy sex from women in the first place.... these are not women forcing their bodies on men in return for cash
If men didn't buy sex from women, where would poor jobless women go to feed their kids or pay for tuition? Hmmmm? Maybe you can comprehend this question better?
 
Prostitution involves a buyer and a seller. Males have no market value when it comes to prostitution. 99% of male college students out there couldn't find a gay male client, much LESS a woman client.

Women, especially, don't pay for sex. (Because they either don't need it or already have access to it.)

Simply not true.. male prostitution very much so exists... and while the majority of the clientle of male prostitutes are male themselves.... women have engaged in the exploitation of men just as well... sex tourism for women also abounds in nations like Greece, India, Bali, Indonesia, etcetera...
 
Simply not true.. male prostitution very much so exists... and while the majority of the clientle of male prostitutes are male themselves.... women have engaged in the exploitation of men just as well... sex tourism for women also abounds in nations like Greece, India, Bali, Indonesia, etcetera...
How many? Give us numbers.

For every man or woman combined that would want a male prostitute there's easily 50000 to 100000 who would want a woman. EASILY.
 
You're STILL not answering the question.


It's better than not having any money at all.


If men didn't buy sex from women, where would poor jobless women go to feed their kids or pay for tuition? Hmmmm? Maybe you can comprehend this question better?

I am answering the question.. I very much acknowledge that women have the option to sell thier bodies for sex.. men do it as well.. unless you've never heard of male prostitutes

what you are continuing to ignore is that woman are not forcing men to buy their bodies


do you really think that prostitution is a proper ethical response?


do I support women selling their bodies? no

do I support men buying their bodies? no as well


do I support men selling their bodies ? no

do I support men buy men's bodies? no as well
 
How many? Give us numbers.

For every man or woman combined that would want a male prostitute there's easily 50000 to 100000 who would want a woman. EASILY.

Once again.. that goes back to my point.... if this is just another evil plot by women to oppress men.. why are the men falling for it?


why do they continue to buy sex if its all just some elaborate machination by women?

or do you really think prositution is an ethical and viable choice for women?
 
I am answering the question.. I very much acknowledge that women have the option to sell thier bodies for sex.. men do it as well.. unless you've never heard of male prostitutes
Everyone's heard of male prostitutes, but only you seem to not understand how low the demand for male prostitutes is. If there was a high demand a ton of men would be sitting in jail for being prostitutes.

what you are continuing to ignore is that woman are not forcing men to buy their bodies
Women aren't forced into it either. What's your point?
 
Everyone's heard of male prostitutes, but only you seem to not understand how low the demand for male prostitutes is. If there was a high demand a ton of men would be sitting in jail for being prostitutes.


Women aren't forced into it either. What's your point?

Alrighty.. if there is such a low demand for male prostitutes and a larger demand for female prostitutes... why are men on both sides of the scale still engaged in buyingtheir services?

why is there still sex tourism?


you want me to acknowledge that prostituion is an option for women.. I've never argued that isn't

what I'm trying to say is that there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women


and saying women arent forced into prostitution is also simply not true...


in the case you provided that is clearly not the case.. and I would say that most prostitution is voluntary...

but saying that women are never forced into it is simply naive



heck, men have been forced into it.. male brothels full of slaves were common place in the Roman empire
 
Alrighty.. if there is such a low demand for male prostitutes and a larger demand for female prostitutes... why are men on both sides of the scale still engaged in buyingtheir services?

why is there still sex tourism?
There are astronauts in outer space. Your argument is like saying therefore everyone is an astronaut. I asked you for numbers. Prove that there's a high demand for male prostitutes. Better than 1 in 50,000 ratio vs women prostitutes. Hey, I gave you a ludicrously high ratio as a fucking handicap. You should be able to counter me if you have real facts... right? I made it easy!!!

you want me to acknowledge that prostituion is an option for women.. I've never argued that isn't
You asked me if it was an ethical option.
I asked you which was more ethical, starving or prostitution?

what I'm trying to say is that there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women
Wait, didn't you say people want to buy sex from men, too? If you say people buy sex from men then you cannot say "there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women" because according to your argument, people would still be buying sex from men!

You're talking out of both sides of your face!!!

and saying women arent forced into prostitution is also simply not true...
Quote where I said no women are forced into prostitution.

heck, men have been forced into it.. male brothels full of slaves were common place in the Roman empire
But I thought you said "there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women"??? :confused:
 
There are astronauts in outer space. Your argument is like saying therefore everyone is an astronaut. I asked you for numbers. Prove that there's a high demand for male prostitutes. Better than 1 in 50,000 ratio vs women prostitutes. Hey, I gave you a ludicrously high ratio as a fucking handicap. You should be able to counter me if you have real facts... right? I made it easy!!!


You asked me if it was an ethical option.
I asked you which was more ethical, starving or prostitution?


Wait, didn't you say people want to buy sex from men, too? If you say people buy sex from men then you cannot say "there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women" because according to your argument, people would still be buying sex from men!

You're talking out of both sides of your face!!!


Quote where I said no women are forced into prostitution.


But I thought you said "there wouldnt be a market for prostitution if no one wanted to keep buying sex from women"??? :confused:

There hasn't been that many studies on male prostitution to give you numbers... but cruises exist in every city.. heck.. we just have to turn on the TV to hear about politicians and public figures getting caught up with male prostitues


and yes, there are many many MANY more female prostitues, I don't deny it..... what I'm trying to say is there male prostitues exist.. and have so for century

if I were to try to guess why there are more female prositutes.. I would have to say simply look at sexual make up... if ( and I'm being very generous here) 10 % of the population is gay.. and lets say ( being generous) here 10 % of gay men frequent prostitues... .. and then lets reverse that for straights, saying only 10% of men ( which is probably a big exxageration) ... it would still mean there are 100 hetero guys visiting prostitues per one homosexual guy

if there were more studies on male prostitutes.. I would gladly give them... so it's only guesswork based on numbers

I've never argued that prostitution is worse then starving... many women get into it to avoid just that

but that still doesnt change that no one is forcing anyone to buy sex from them

as for the quoting thing.. please check post 20 when you stated in direct response to me saying that men arent forcing women into selling their bodies:

Women aren't forced into it either.

as for your trying to catch me up... what you're employing is doublespeak... implying that since I said that if men stopped buying sex from women there wouldn't be a need for women to sell it

I can see where I wasnt fully clear... I should have rather stated there wouldnt be a need for prostitution if men and women stopped buying sex from men and women...


and the last bit... please note I did say " slaves".. they were already forced into it... and please dont be silly enough to think that there werent brothels full of slave women either


or do I have to quantify each and every statement with blanket generalizations.. when you steadfastly refuse to do the same?
 
There hasn't been that many studies on male prostitution to give you numbers... but cruises exist in every city.. heck.. we just have to turn on the TV to hear about politicians and public figures getting caught up with male prostitues
IOW you cannot support your argument that male prostitution is within orders of magnitude as common as prostitution for women.

and yes, there are many many MANY more female prostitues, I don't deny it..... what I'm trying to say is there male prostitues exist.. and have so for century
And my point was that they're very rare in comparison. A man who is broke has next to zero chance of pursuing this option to feed himself. He usually just DIES. But you're a woman, you couldn't give a shit about that.

I've never argued that prostitution is worse then starving... many women get into it to avoid just that

but that still doesnt change that no one is forcing anyone to buy sex from them
Now you're disproving an argument I never said.

as for the quoting thing.. please check post 20 when you stated in direct response to me saying that men arent forcing women into selling their bodies:
I was talking about this article. Forced prostitution has nothing to do with these college women. Or does it?

I can see where I wasnt fully clear... I should have rather stated there wouldnt be a need for prostitution if men and women stopped buying sex from men and women...
Much better. Hell we were both not being fully clear.

and the last bit... please note I did say " slaves".. they were already forced into it... and please dont be silly enough to think that there werent brothels full of slave women either
Never said there weren't.
 
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