Where's the PETA crowd?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Halal certification of American meat products has largely escaped notice. Costco is one of America's biggest lamb distributors in the United States, and all of Costco's lamb is processed according to halal standards. I interviewed the corporate buyer for Costco's meat, and he explained that Costco's halal lamb wholesale purchases are not responsive to Muslim pressure; instead, they are driven by overriding economic factors.

To Costco's credit, the big-box chain is one of the few honest outlets, and it does display the halal certification stamp on the back of shrink-wrapped packages. When most of the world's lamb is produced and processed in Australia and New Zealand -- and when most of those plants have abandoned the practice of separate slaughterhouses in favor of accommodating the uncompromising demands of halal markets -- it is easy to conclude that most of the lamb sold, even to large Western outlets, is halal-processed.

The controversial method of slaughter by slitting an animal's jugular so that death occurs by "bleeding out" is often done without first stunning the animal. Halal certification commissions have declared that cutting the jugular of an unconscious animal yields meat that is haram (unlawful or not permissible) according to sharia-based regulations. These halal oversight committees in places like Britain now forbid stunning before halal slaughter.

It is not surprising, then, that Brits were disturbed when the Farm Animal Welfare Council published a report on halal slaughter methods in 2003 declaring that "such a massive injury would result in very significant pain and distress in the period before insensibility supervenes." Some research indicates that proper methods for ritual slaughter like maintaining sharp knives and taking care to make a deep cut do alleviate animal suffering, but supervision and accountability, thus far, are just talk.

Currently a bill is pending in the U.K. to at least require honest labeling when halal processing methods are used. Recent public discussions indicate strong support for full disclosure and show that British consumers are anxious to vote with their pounds sterling when purchasing food products.

In addition to animal cruelty concerns, it is important to contemplate that every purchaser of halal products pays a surcharge for the processing concessions demanded by halal certification. In fact, an entire Islamic cottage industry has grown up around regulation of halal processing, and it is no insignificant enterprise. Clerically imposed sharia law requires that "the abattoir (agent of slaughter) involved in the process must be under the 'close and constant supervision' of an Islamic religious organisation." Also, the range of foods inspected for conformity with halal standards now includes cereals, beverages, and chocolate.

Soeren Kern reports that France's halal industry has more than doubled over the past five years and is now valued at €5.5 billion ($7 billion). The sector is now more than twice as large as that for organic foods, and industry experts expect the demand for halal to grow at more than 20% annually.

Kern also refers to a significant new study on the rise of Islam in French cities to show that halal is increasingly being used to assert a separate Muslim identity. He cites the 2,200-page report titled "Banlieue de la République" ("Suburbs of the Republic"), the result of a one-year research effort into the four Is that constitute the heart of the debate over French national identity -- Islam, immigration, identity, and insecurity -- to show that the Islamist lobby is using halal to impose aspects of sharia law on the non-Muslim majority in France and other European countries.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/most_easter_lamb_this_year_was_halal.html

 

[CandiCame]

Dude, that's actually the way factory farms kill most of the meat we eat. And in the US, livestock are exempt from animal cruelty laws.

Thanks for depressing the shit out of me though, I fucking needed that. I'm gonna go... eat something vegan.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Dude, that's actually the way factory farms kill most of the meat we eat. And in the US, livestock are exempt from animal cruelty laws.

Thanks for depressing the shit out of me though, I fucking needed that. I'm gonna go... eat something vegan.

Dude, I worked in a meat packing plant.


No, it's not.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If it's so humane, then let's do it for death row inmates...

 

[CandiCame]

Dude, I worked in a meat packing plant.


No, it's not.

Dude- working in a meat packing plant is not the same as working in a slaughterhouse. That's like saying I waited tables so I know how to be a master chef.

http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/pdfs/farm/hsus-factory-farming-in-america-the-true-cost-of-animal-agribusiness.pdf

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/reports/factory-farm-nation/

http://www.farmforward.com/farming-forward/factory-farming

http://www.isfoundation.com/campaign/creatures/factory-farming-america-part-2-factory-pharming

http://www.compassionatespirit.com/factory_farming.htm

http://www.animalsuffering.com/resources/facts/factory-farming.php

http://www.belsandia.com/factory-farming-animal-cruelty.html

http://www.farmsanctuary.org/issues/factoryfarming/pork/

Look- I hate PETA as much as anyone- I'm a red blooded American boy who was just on another thread in this same forum talking about how I like to kill, butcher, and grind my own meat in my blood-covered hands. But I also like it to go down with a bullet between the eyes, and I've worked farms enough to know how that shit goes down. Livestock are hooked to the killing grid, their throats are slit, and they bleed out. That's how it's done. There are laws in place to prevent livestock animals from being protected under animal cruelty laws because humane deaths would take so much extra time and manpower for a nation that eats as much meat as we do that a pound of hamburger would be around $10. Humane animal deaths on an American diet are not cost effective.

Not getting on my vegetarian high horse- like I said, I can butcher with the best of them; I'm just stating a fact. You might not like it, but I could give you well over 1,000 sources that this is the world we live in. It's not a Muslim thing, it's not an ethical thing- it's a bottom line thing. Humane deaths require more workers, more time spent on the individual animal, and more money paid out.

 

[mercury14]

Read books, not blogs.

So you didn't really mean what you said then?

 

[renard_ruse]

PETA doesn't believe in meat eating in the first place. I'm sure they are against Halal (and Kosher) slaughter as well.

 

[CandiCame]

All PETA believes in is attention whoring and setting back the animal rights movement. They're the LT of animal rights.

 

[renard_ruse]

Look- I hate PETA as much as anyone

Why would you hate PETA? I give to a lot of animal charities, but I don't give to them simply because people seem to hate them so much and I view it as counterproductive. However, they send me a lot of donation requests and their literature seems to make a lot of sense.

Why is the Humane Society good, but PETA is bad? Don't get the difference myself.

 

[CandiCame]

Why would you hate PETA? I give to a lot of animal charities, but I don't give to them simply because people seem to hate them so much and I view it as counterproductive. However, they send me a lot of donation requests and their literature seems to make a lot of sense.

Why is the Humane Society good, but PETA is bad? Don't get the difference myself.

Because if you look at the things that PETA actually does, they're one of the worst animal-abusing organizations in the world. The ASPCA, which I'm a member of, does things like try to fight for legislation that removes the laws that state that livestock are exempt from animal cruelty laws, or promote no-kill shelters, spay/neuter of feral animals, assistance for veterinary medicine, and you know, a shit-ton of other shit. I foster animals to help rehabilitate them from formerly abusive or neglectful environments to prepare them for placement in permanent homes.

PETA is all sizzle and no steak- in fact, they have a horrible record. They kill over 90% of the animals that they "save" from abusive situations, without even trying to foster them, they carry "kill kits" in the fucking truck and sometimes will put them to sleep with no vetrenary testing or rehabilitation right in the truck. They protest things like pharmocology testing and just... do a bunch of stupid shit that benifits no one but gets them donations. They spent $29,000 protesting animal "enslavement" in the form of military critters, like the bomb sniffing dogs and whatnot and fucking seeing eye dogs.

Fuck a bunch of PETA.

here: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/tabor/050622

 

[Aquagal]

Is this a bump for the placentas?

 

[EllieTalbot]

All PETA believes in is attention whoring and setting back the animal rights movement. They're the LT of animal rights.

+1

The ASPCA, which I'm a member of...

*fistbump*

 

[phrodeau]

A new way to make money. Halal butchery should be right up America's alley.

 

[pointless]

oh no! muslims are kosher! ahhhhhhh!!!!

 

[CandiCame]

+1



*fistbump*

*brofist*

So... do you want a kitten?

 

[derpybody]

derrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

 

[off2derp]

derp derp.

 

[EllieTalbot]

*brofist*

So... do you want a kitten?

Sure, I'll take a kitten. But only if you use to and too properly from now on. *spellingNazicackle*

Derped in Delaware,
Ellie

 

[CandiCame]

Sure, I'll take a kitten. But only if you use to and too properly from now on. *spellingNazicackle*

Derped in Delaware,
Ellie

I didn't even say 'to' in that post.

Fun fact though, for "two" I always use 2.

 

[EllieTalbot]

I didn't even say 'to' in that post.

Fun fact though, for "two" I always use 2.

Your robotic overlord says, "no... bad!"

You should only use digits to write a number when it's more than 20.

Because seven billion, three hundred sixty-five million, nine-hundred thousand, one-hundred fourteen is more expediently expressed as 7,365,900,114.

That goes without saying. But when it come to two, you're just being lazy with 2.

Lazy? Creative? Robotic overlord says: "There is a difference!"

Are you going to be truly creative (i.e. using well-formed words to express your unique thoughts), or insist that shirking off words you're afraid of because you never learned how to use them is "creative" (guaranteeing that people who are looking for literate profundity won't find it in you)?

Okay, I'm done with oppressive thoughts now. Carry on...

Tough in Tonga,
Ellie

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Dude- working in a meat packing plant is not the same as working in a slaughterhouse. That's like saying I waited tables so I know how to be a master chef.

http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/pdfs/farm/hsus-factory-farming-in-america-the-true-cost-of-animal-agribusiness.pdf

http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/reports/factory-farm-nation/

http://www.farmforward.com/farming-forward/factory-farming

http://www.isfoundation.com/campaign/creatures/factory-farming-america-part-2-factory-pharming

http://www.compassionatespirit.com/factory_farming.htm

http://www.animalsuffering.com/resources/facts/factory-farming.php

http://www.belsandia.com/factory-farming-animal-cruelty.html

http://www.farmsanctuary.org/issues/factoryfarming/pork/

Look- I hate PETA as much as anyone- I'm a red blooded American boy who was just on another thread in this same forum talking about how I like to kill, butcher, and grind my own meat in my blood-covered hands. But I also like it to go down with a bullet between the eyes, and I've worked farms enough to know how that shit goes down. Livestock are hooked to the killing grid, their throats are slit, and they bleed out. That's how it's done. There are laws in place to prevent livestock animals from being protected under animal cruelty laws because humane deaths would take so much extra time and manpower for a nation that eats as much meat as we do that a pound of hamburger would be around $10. Humane animal deaths on an American diet are not cost effective.

Not getting on my vegetarian high horse- like I said, I can butcher with the best of them; I'm just stating a fact. You might not like it, but I could give you well over 1,000 sources that this is the world we live in. It's not a Muslim thing, it's not an ethical thing- it's a bottom line thing. Humane deaths require more workers, more time spent on the individual animal, and more money paid out.

Dude, we actually, really killed the fucking cows with a nail between the eyes using .22 blanks.

 

[off2bed]

Just wondering, who other than Muslims buys lamb anyway?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Just wondering, who other than Muslims buys lamb anyway?

The Big Bang Theory is full of Jewish mother mutton jokes...

 

[off2bed]

The Big Bang Theory is full of Jewish mother mutton jokes...

That just doesn't sound kosher. Busybody will know.

 

[oddity83]

Just wondering, who other than Muslims buys lamb anyway?

I do. Lamb ribs are good. Different flavor than pork.