Where's MY right to choose?

[SEVERUSMAX]

In light of the recent thread on abortion and the fact that some states allow it but prohibit husbands to get vasectomies without their wives' permission (I wonder if such rules apply for lubal ligations), this double standard has caused to think. Where is MY right to choose? After all, no massacres, butcherings, blood (for the most part, not counting MY blood, which I am risking here), harm to innocents, or any other such reason exists to violate MY right to do what I please with MY sperm! It's my body, my choice! If husband doesn't own wife's body (as feminists assert repeatedly), then wifey doesn't own hubby's, either! Damn it, ENOUGH with the double standards!

 

[JamesSD]

In light of the recent thread on abortion and the fact that some states allow it but prohibit husbands to get vasectomies without their wives' permission (I wonder if such rules apply for lubal ligations), this double standard has caused to think. Where is MY right to choose? After all, no massacres, butcherings, blood (for the most part, not counting MY blood, which I am risking here), harm to innocents, or any other such reason exists to violate MY right to do what I please with MY sperm! It's my body, my choice! If husband doesn't own wife's body (as feminists assert repeatedly), then wifey doesn't own hubby's, either! Damn it, ENOUGH with the double standards!

I agree, this is a really silly law. Of course, a man getting a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge could certainly be grounds for a divorce...

 

[Stella_Omega]

In light of the recent thread on abortion and the fact that some states allow it but prohibit husbands to get vasectomies without their wives' permission (I wonder if such rules apply for lubal ligations), this double standard has caused to think. Where is MY right to choose? After all, no massacres, butcherings, blood (for the most part, not counting MY blood, which I am risking here), harm to innocents, or any other such reason exists to violate MY right to do what I please with MY sperm! It's my body, my choice! If husband doesn't own wife's body (as feminists assert repeatedly), then wifey doesn't own hubby's, either! Damn it, ENOUGH with the double standards!

Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I agree, this is a really silly law. Of course, a man getting a vasectomy without his wife's knowledge could certainly be grounds for a divorce...

Then, leave it to the civil courts. The same could apply to a tubal ligation.

 

[BlackSnake]

Then, leave it to the civil courts. The same could apply to a tubal ligation.

I stole your post. I thought it fit in the other thread.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I stole your post. I thought it fit in the other thread.

I noticed. Nice Frederick Douglass AV, by the way.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Thanks, I HAD to vent that one! It was WAITING to be spewed forth from my mind!

 

[Purple Sage]

Can anyone cite a state law prohibiting a man from getting a vasectomy without the consent of someone else?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

In Virginia there is a 30 day waiting period for vasectomies:

54.1-2974. Sterilization operations for persons eighteen years or older capable of informed consent.

It shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to perform a vasectomy, salpingectomy, or other surgical sexual sterilization procedure on any person eighteen years of age or older, who has the capacity to give informed consent, when so requested in writing by such person. Prior to or at the time of such request, a full, reasonable, and comprehensible medical explanation as to the meaning and consequences of such an operation and as to alternative methods of contraception shall be given by the physician to the person requesting the operation. No such operation shall be performed prior to thirty days from the date of the written request therefore upon a person who has not previously become the natural or adoptive parent of a child.


Oh, and in Ohio, it's required for a woman to get permission from her husband to have her tubes tied... so it does go both ways...

 

[Purple Sage]

In Virginia there is a 30 day waiting period for vasectomies:

54.1-2974. Sterilization operations for persons eighteen years or older capable of informed consent.

It shall be lawful for any physician licensed by the Board of Medicine to perform a vasectomy, salpingectomy, or other surgical sexual sterilization procedure on any person eighteen years of age or older, who has the capacity to give informed consent, when so requested in writing by such person. Prior to or at the time of such request, a full, reasonable, and comprehensible medical explanation as to the meaning and consequences of such an operation and as to alternative methods of contraception shall be given by the physician to the person requesting the operation. No such operation shall be performed prior to thirty days from the date of the written request therefore upon a person who has not previously become the natural or adoptive parent of a child.


Oh, and in Ohio, it's required for a woman to get permission from her husband to have her tubes tied... so it does go both ways...

That's a waiting period, it doesn't seem to say anything about requiring the consent of another person. So far I only see it going one way...

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Source: In: Calderone, M.S., ed. Manual of Family Planning and Contraceptive Practice. Baltimore, The Williams and Wilkins Company, 1970. pp. 398-404

Abstract: The law controls punitive, therapeutic, and voluntary sterilization, though punitive sterilization is obsolete and unenforceable. Utah allows sterilization for medical necessity only, and Virginia and North Carolina stipulate conditions. In 46 states no law mentions sterilization. In 1966 the legal counsel of the California medical society advised that physicians consider nontherapeutic sterilization illegal, but current legal opinion deems voluntary sterilization "not antithetical to public policy." Thus, legal permission for sterilization comes under consent for any surgery. Spouse's consent is advisable and consultations must be obtained according to local law. Typical consent forms for sterilization, vasectomy, and spouse's consent are included.

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All I could find... I don't know what the stipulations are in Virginia and N. Carolina for sure, but from anecdotal evidence, sounds like in Virginia, if you are unmarried, there is a 30 day waiting period, and if you are married, you need your spouse's consent. This last may not be a "law" but rather the profession (doctors) covering their asses due to legal liabilities...

 

[drksideofthemoon]

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All I could find... I don't know what the stipulations are in Virginia and N. Carolina for sure, but from anecdotal evidence, sounds like in Virginia, if you are unmarried, there is a 30 day waiting period, and if you are married, you need your spouse's consent. This last may not be a "law" but rather the profession (doctors) covering their asses due to legal liabilities...

Pathetic isn't it...for an adult to have to get permission to have something done to their body...

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

That is still a restriction by law that doesn't exist in cases of abortion.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, I have heard that Michigan and Massachusetts have such laws. I am still checking to make sure of that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

You know, if you want to change this law, you will have to mobilize. You will have to creat a grass-roots movement. You will have to protest, complain, publicise, make a nuisance of yourself. You'll have to ignore the people who don't get what your problem is.

In short, you'll have to act like some damn bra-burning feminist....

Enjoy!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

You know, if you want to change this law, you will have to mobilize. You will have to creat a grass-roots movement. You will have to protest, complain, publicise, make a nuisance of yourself. You'll have to ignore the people who don't get what your problem is.

In short, you'll have to act like some damn bra-burning feminist....

Enjoy!

Sounds like fun! Hmmm...don't have bras....do neckties work? I HATE neckties!

 

[Stella_Omega]

Sounds like fun! Hmmm...don't have bras....do neckties work? I HATE neckties!

Burn 'em, baby, burn 'em!
... seems pretty symbolic, really

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Burn 'em, baby, burn 'em!
... seems pretty symbolic, really

Cool. LMAO!

 

[entitled]

i don't know. i kind of like the idea of men going to work with little nooses on.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

i don't know. i kind of like the idea of men going to work with little nooses on.

Typical! Hopefully, it will go out of style, as one of the last relics of the Modern Dark Ages (Victorian Era). I'm not holding my breath, however.

 

[entitled]

ctually, just rare around here. i only know two people who go to work wearing a necktie every day.

Lumping me in with the 'typical' won't work, by the way. The typical crowd tossed me out years ago.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

ctually, just rare around here. i only know two people who go to work wearing a necktie every day.

Lumping me in with the 'typical' won't work, by the way. The typical crowd tossed me out years ago.

I just detest the social expectation of wearing "choke-chains" (to quote my father) around a man's neck at work. It's a silly practice, with possible consequences to the intellect (cutting off circulation to the brain). I like the Israeli practice of tie-less dress shirts. Then again, the Israeli climate probably is a factor in that.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The thing is, though, that it's sometimes the only color a man will wear at all.
And it would be a shame to lose that aspect...

 

[entitled]

I just detest the social expectation of wearing "choke-chains" (to quote my father) around a man's neck at work. It's a silly practice, with possible consequences to the intellect (cutting off circulation to the brain). I like the Israeli practice of tie-less dress shirts. Then again, the Israeli climate probably is a factor in that.

Either that or they realize that, at any given point in the day, somebody wearing a necktie could be reached across a table and that tie could be put to good use.

 

[entitled]

The thing is, though, that it's sometimes the only color a man will wear at all.
And it would be a shame to lose that aspect...

Ban plain white shirts?