Where is the line? 18+ sexual content

[Theo_Malt]

CASE ZERO
Many (about four) years ago, I made my first submissions to Literotica. Both were rejected due to underage content.
One I understood (there was a reference to a character seeing nudity in a non-sexual context prior to turning 18, even though all the content of the story was with 18+ characters) the other I did not. I worked with an editor, resubmitted them, got them approved and posted. Much joy.

CASE ONE
I am currently thinking about a story that involves a woman (age 34) and her two younger half-sisters (both 20) which explicitly refers to the woman being *present* (then age 14) at their birth (i.e. in the room or at least at the hospital) which the protagonist infers (although never specified directly, it will be heavily implied) that the woman is both sister and mother to the younger women.
Something along the lines of Chinatown's famous "She's my daughter. She's my sister. She's my daughter. My sister, my daughter. She's my sister AND my daughter!"
That said, it will NOT be confirmed in the story that she's both mother and sister, nor that she was pregnant with twins at age 13/14.
There will be ABSOLUTELY NO overt description of any underage sexual relationship, and by the time of the story their father will have died.

The real purpose of this relationship story-wise is something of a reverse Boadicea (I believe - and Wikipedia agrees - the correct spelling is "Boudica" but my spellcheck has other opinions) where instead of the mom being forced to watch her daughters noncon by a hundred plus roman soldiers, in my story the daughters are forced to watch their mother &/or older sister get nonconned (and everyone involved getting twisted pleasure from it) by a dozen or so guys in a police holding cell.

So, if a character implies/infers that a different character was pregnant underage 20+ years ago, is that a rules violation?

CASE TWO
If I have a character (28+yrs old) refer to their first sexual experiences happening at 18+ yrs old, but refer to lying to their friends (and assuming their friends lied too) about having had sex much younger, is it a rules violation?

(p.s. I initially posted this in "Home/Forums/Main Literotica Forums/General Board" but was told this was the appropriate place to ask about the above.)

 

[TheLobster]

Mere references to underage sex having happened, without providing explicit details, it’s not a rule violation.

For what it’s worth, I’ve seen mentions of underage pregnancy in published stories as wel..

 

[THBGato]

I got away with a story whose protagonist was 19 but has a 3 year old daughter. So you can clearly acknowledge indirectly that sex occurred prior to 18.

 

[StillStunned]

A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself whether the scene, as written, might be arousing or titillating.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I've got childbirth scenes, a toddler in a pram, then being breast fed. Also a pre-menarche girl experiencing her first period. No problems - I add a note to the Editor, saying those scenes are there.

The thing to avoid is any sexual reference, even the slightest suggestion, and to make sure the next adult sex scene is at least five-hundred words away, ideally with the child out of the house, but definitely out of the room.

 

[TarnishedPenny]

A good rule of thumb is to ask yourself whether the scene, as written, might be arousing or titillating.

Well, there goes any chance of my mentioning Dijon mustard in any of my stories!

 

[Bamagan]

CASE ZERO
Many (about four) years ago, I made my first submissions to Literotica. Both were rejected due to underage content.
One I understood (there was a reference to a character seeing nudity in a non-sexual context prior to turning 18, even though all the content of the story was with 18+ characters) the other I did not. I worked with an editor, resubmitted them, got them approved and posted. Much joy.

CASE ONE
I am currently thinking about a story that involves a woman (age 34) and her two younger half-sisters (both 20) which explicitly refers to the woman being *present* (then age 14) at their birth (i.e. in the room or at least at the hospital) which the protagonist infers (although never specified directly, it will be heavily implied) that the woman is both sister and mother to the younger women.
Something along the lines of Chinatown's famous "She's my daughter. She's my sister. She's my daughter. My sister, my daughter. She's my sister AND my daughter!"
That said, it will NOT be confirmed in the story that she's both mother and sister, nor that she was pregnant with twins at age 13/14.
There will be ABSOLUTELY NO overt description of any underage sexual relationship, and by the time of the story their father will have died.

The real purpose of this relationship story-wise is something of a reverse Boadicea (I believe - and Wikipedia agrees - the correct spelling is "Boudica" but my spellcheck has other opinions) where instead of the mom being forced to watch her daughters noncon by a hundred plus roman soldiers, in my story the daughters are forced to watch their mother &/or older sister get nonconned (and everyone involved getting twisted pleasure from it) by a dozen or so guys in a police holding cell.

So, if a character implies/infers that a different character was pregnant underage 20+ years ago, is that a rules violation?

CASE TWO
If I have a character (28+yrs old) refer to their first sexual experiences happening at 18+ yrs old, but refer to lying to their friends (and assuming their friends lied too) about having had sex much younger, is it a rules violation?

(p.s. I initially posted this in "Home/Forums/Main Literotica Forums/General Board" but was told this was the appropriate place to ask about the above.)

Case one sounds like it probably doesn't ride too close to the edge.
Case two might cause a problem if the references to the first sexual experience are graphic or otherwise erotic descriptions of the act(s). If the character says it happened at 18 but then later suggests that s/he was lying, that's going to look like a pretty clumsy attempt at circumventing the rules if it gets noticed and/or reported. A casual or off-hand remark from a character about having been underage and sexually active is not an automatic rejection, but an author who tries to be cute or wibbly-wobbly about ages will not get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

In my worlds no one exists under a relative 20-ish. Age itself is never mentioned unless referring to an older partner .. MILF-like and then only in passing.

 

[Theo_Malt]

Case one sounds like it probably doesn't ride too close to the edge.
Case two might cause a problem if the references to the first sexual experience are graphic or otherwise erotic descriptions of the act(s). If the character says it happened at 18 but then later suggests that s/he was lying, that's going to look like a pretty clumsy attempt at circumventing the rules if it gets noticed and/or reported. A casual or off-hand remark from a character about having been underage and sexually active is not an automatic rejection, but an author who tries to be cute or wibbly-wobbly about ages will not get the benefit of the doubt.

Case two would involve a character specifying at the start that he lied about having sex when he was under 18, but didn't actually have sex until he was 18+. It wouldn't go into any details, except perhaps mentioning the name of the person he had lied about having sex with (after already specifying that it was a lie) and that it was a real person who - finding out about it only after he had already admitted to all his friends that it was a lie - was NOT amused to learn she was the subject of his lie. No suggestion that he was sexually active before being 18+, just that he lied about it (and assumed everyone else did.)

DEFINITELY not going into any specifics about the lie.

I understand your concern - that someone might try to use the overt fiction of the lie to cheat explicit underage content - but I have absolutely NO interest in writing anything like that.

Hope that clarifies a bit.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

I've even made reference to the kids returning home after some undefined period of time being 'prepared' for what life will be like, with no discussion at all as to what that means. They just 'know' what the family is like and are prepared to willingly take their place.

 

[BobbyBrandt]

I have found that it is the context that counts more than the content. If the content is presented in a non-sexual, informative background context absent any obvious attempt for it to titillate or arouse, it usually sails right through.

I will caution that submitting a story in parts, where the intended context may not be obvious in one part versus another, can come back to bite you. Make certain that Laurel is able to put 2+2 together when reviewing your work.