Where do you belong?

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A rare 60-degree morning in Miami got me thinking about climate and how our lives might be affected by living in a climate to which we're not suited. I love Miami winters but the other nine months of the year drain me of energy; yet as much as I dislike hot, humid weather, I've spent my life since adolesence in places with steamy summers. When a storm comes, my biggest dread isn't that the roof will fall and kill me, it's that the power will go out before that happens and I'll spend the last few hours of my life without air conditioning. My idea of hell.

My god. What if I was capable of great things and lacked only a few more months of cool weather each year to achieve all of my goals? What goals? Nevermind.

I'm not the only one who likes cooler weather. There's also the dog. Poor animal has had no say in where she lived, and until this morning I didn't wonder if she might have been healthier in a cooler climate. She's been drooping like old lettuce for months, as you'd expect in an old dog. But this morning when I let her outside she had a fit of canine glee that sent her racing around the yard in crazy-dog circles (directionless running for no better reason than because she can). She seemed years younger.

My friends from Cuba and Latin America wear jackets on days like this. I'm Scots Irish and I'm comfortable outdoors for the first time since last winter.

Like most people, I've lived where circumstances directed me. How many people have the luxury of choosing a place and planning a life around it?

Questions:

How "at-home" do you feel where you live? I don't mean, would you rather live in a better neighborhood, but do you have a sense of permanency in the larger community - or are you just passing through?

If you could sever the ties that keep you and your family in the city or area where you live now and had the freedom to make a move - but only to a place where you could reasonably expect to afford a similar standard of living, educate your kids and interact with the locals - what would be your priority? Culture, climate, closer to relatives, farther from relatives, fewer outbreaks of ebola virus, less spectacular crime reports? Do you have a place in mind?

Do you live near the place where you grew up? If not, is it similar or very different?

My answers are: Miami is beautiful, no regrets, but it's never felt permanent to me. (On the other hand, neither has anyplace yet.)

If I could change one thing it would be the climate. I'm spoiled by the beauty of this place so I'd have to make scenery a priority too. A cooler climate, definitely. The western U.S. or maybe coastal New England. A college town with wilderness nearby, like Bozeman, Montana. (I know I haven't yet faced months of eyeball-freezing cold, but in small doses I've found it less draining than humid summers. You can always dress warmer, but when you're hot and soaked with perspiration there's not much you can do about it.)

I think the dog would appreciate the change to someplace cooler. She wouldn't mind staying here, if she could choose a mom with a backyard swimming pool.
 
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I belong by the sea. The North Sea by preference and it needs to be proper seafront rather than any of this estuary stuff. I need waves and seafront and sea-defences to walk along.

I also need weather rather than climate. Give me my balmy days in the summer, but also give my my thrashing thunderstorms and torrential downpours. By preference, I'd love regular snow, but unfortunately that doesn't occur much in the South where I live.

I belong near a rugby club that is in need of a hooker/flanker, my friends who are in need of talking and some beer that is in need of drinking.

Apart from the rugby club and the snow that sounds exactly like where I've just moved away from and where I grew up. Hmmmf.

The Earl
 
TheEarl said:
Apart from the rugby club and the snow that sounds exactly like where I've just moved away from and where I grew up. Hmmmf.

The Earl

Ouch.
 
For me it's a city. Toronto in the one I grew up in and it's where I am.

No place I've lived has had perfect weather, so I've learned no to let it bother me. I can't say I'm fond of the hot, sticky weather though. I doubt I would be someplace tropical.

If I has the means, I would seriously think about moving to Europe; Berlin or Paris, maybe Rome. It seems to me the non-English European cities are more laid back.
 
I know what you mean, S___. I've lived my entire life in the desert and spent the entire time bitching about it. :D But part of me does feel like I belong here. Not for the weather, other than the monsoons which I passionately adore, but for the mountains. I don't think I could live somewhere that wasn't surrounded by mountains.

If I were to choose to move, it would be to the Pacific NW. They've got mountains (in some areas) and rain. I'd give anything for rain.
 
TheEarl said:
I belong by the sea. The North Sea by preference and it needs to be proper seafront rather than any of this estuary stuff. I need waves and seafront and sea-defences to walk along.

I also need weather rather than climate. Give me my balmy days in the summer, but also give my my thrashing thunderstorms and torrential downpours. By preference, I'd love regular snow, but unfortunately that doesn't occur much in the South where I live.

I belong near a rugby club that is in need of a hooker/flanker, my friends who are in need of talking and some beer that is in need of drinking.

Apart from the rugby club and the snow that sounds exactly like where I've just moved away from and where I grew up. Hmmmf.

The Earl

Actually if I was to pick another anywhere-but-here it'd be on the edge of Lake Wakatipu in Queenstown, New Zealand. I've never been anywhere else that felt so much like home.

The Earl
 
I'm a mountain gal -- Appalachian born and raised. Barefoot as much as possible. I live about 2 hours' drive from my birthplace, in a somewhat less rural area. Close enough to the city (Pittsburgh) to get a regular dose of "civilization" if'n I want it. :rolleyes: D.C. and Baltimore are also easy trips.

I "fit" here, but I have also loved my tropical excursions (Jamaica, Costa Rica) in that I feel I could "fit" there as well.

But it's not the WHERE that anchors me, it's the WHO. Right now, my WHO is near here. (Like that corny Billy Joel song: "Wherever we're together, that's my home.")
 
TheEarl said:
Actually if I was to pick another anywhere-but-here it'd be on the edge of Lake Wakatipu in Queenstown, New Zealand. I've never been anywhere else that felt so much like home.

The Earl

That's lovely, Earl. :rose:
 
Just a little bit further south so I get milder winters. On a cliff by the sea. I'm thinking Bretange, or something like it.
 
minsue said:
If I were to choose to move, it would be to the Pacific NW. They've got mountains (in some areas) and rain. I'd give anything for rain. [/B]

Rain, is it?

Just don't live downhill from anything softer than granite, okay?

:(
 
TheEarl said:
Actually if I was to pick another anywhere-but-here it'd be on the edge of Lake Wakatipu in Queenstown, New Zealand. I've never been anywhere else that felt so much like home.

The Earl
I think I'd love New Zealand. If I could pick up everyone I care about and didn't need to be a citizen in order to work, that's one of the places I'd consider. I felt at home in Montana and Wyoming, so I guess it's mountains next time instead of beaches.
 
I live by the sea sufficiently high above it to avoid any possibility of flooding in my lifetime yet low enough to have to clean salt spray off my windows.

It is where I've always wanted to live.

If not here I'd like to live on Barrenjoey Road, Palm Beach, Sydney, Australia in a house facing Pitt Water and Kuringai Chase with a tide filled swimming pool and a jetty for my boat - just like the house my Aussie relations have. An easy walk to the surf beach and Barrenjoey Head, a few dozen steps down to the jetty and the boat.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
I live by the sea sufficiently high above it to avoid any possibility of flooding in my lifetime yet low enough to have to clean salt spray off my windows.

All of my favorite novels when I was a teenager were set on a windy clifftop in the British aisles. Very romantic, especially if there's a ruined stone tower around. Can you actuaally walk without being blown over the side? And is there any legal protection against a Walmart next-door?

Edited to add: Do you stash your smuggled loot in hidden caves?
 
It'll be a long time before I see home as anywhere besides the deserts of New Mexico. Miss 'em a lot.
 
Would not trade it........

Grew up in the Pacific NW, west of Portland 45-miles at the eastern foot of the coast range. So I have webs between my toes...... forever a duck!!! Love the rain!!!

Did my time in LA -- graduate school and 2-yrs work.

Since 79, been in Colorado. Moved to the mountains when I was able to afford it. Now Beaver Creek is across the highway from me, I am at 9200 feet elevation so get lots of snow. Buy the season pass for skiing..... I enjoy the cold dry climate weather..... cool in the summers..... best place on earth!!

But I have a souther Calif home for cold weather visits, need ocean visits, looking at a Maluhia at Wailea Hawaii home, townhome in Oregon, and travel when I want.

Spoiled, but would not trade!

Mtn
 
You described exactly what I did four years ago, even though I never expected to do such a thing. After a lifetime in Chicago, I chose to seek a job transfer to San Francisco, even though it meant leaving friends and family.

It was a stunning change to see pansies blooming in February, to feel the moods of the Ocean fog, to park on a steep hill with no worries of ice and snow. The people, the food, the wine, the culture - all are stimulating and, at times, quirky. I've watched a guy dancing with flaming batons in the middle of my street at midnight just for fun; I've seen a droopy hound dog wearing Harley leather draped across his owner's bike in front of Aqua; I've heard homeless men on Haight St. tell me I have the most beautiful eyes. I've crisscrossed Golden Gate Park over and over and planted eucalyptus trees at the zoo to feed the koala. The hills, the views, and the light all conspire to make this a romantic and sensual city.

The climate is never extremely anything and the landscape is incredible. I fit in if only because there is no 'in' to fit into. It's the city of misfit toys and pastel sand castles. I would never want to leave, but I might. Chicago may be a frozen tundra right about now, but he hearts are warm.
 
"I'm like a bird
I'll only fly away
I don't know where my home is
I don't know where my soul is..."
 
Re: Would not trade it........

mtnman2003 said:
I am at 9200 feet elevation so get lots of snow. Buy the season pass for skiing..... I enjoy the cold dry climate weather..... cool in the summers..... best place on earth!!

But I have a souther Calif home for cold weather visits, need ocean visits, looking at a Maluhia at Wailea Hawaii home, townhome in Oregon, and travel when I want.

Spoiled, but would not trade!
You would at gunpoint, I'll bet.

:D

You've stolen the life I was meant to lead, and I won't sit still for it.
 
shereads said:
All of my favorite novels when I was a teenager were set on a windy clifftop in the British aisles. Very romantic, especially if there's a ruined stone tower around. Can you actuaally walk without being blown over the side? And is there any legal protection against a Walmart next-door?

Edited to add: Do you stash your smuggled loot in hidden caves?

You read much Famous Five, She?

I think you'd be looking at SW England for that kind of thing - something like Devon or Cornwall, where we can have cracking adventures on the Tors and yet go back home in time for some top scrag and lashings of ginger beer!

The Earl
 
HERE'S MY HOUSE

I don't have a digital camera or a scanner, so it's not actually my house but it's close enough. Except for the Aegean, the terraces cascading down the rocky cliff, the architecture, the dry Mediterranean climate, the tavernas where the Starbucks and my dry cleaner would be, and the disturbing absence of a Target Store anywhere nearby, this is a close approximation of the Decaying Jungle Compound.

Oh, and there's no jungle in this picture. Or any evidence of wood rot or other decay. Same idea, though. Houses is houses.



Got pictures of your place?
 
Questions:

How "at-home" do you feel where you live? I don't mean, would you rather live in a better neighborhood, but do you have a sense of permanency in the larger community - or are you just passing through?

I’ve lived mostly in the SF bay area since 1970 (moved here from Detroit at 24); lived in Berkeley, Oakland and San Francisco (SF since 1989 w/a term in L.A. from 1983-89). I love California for the landscape, climate and diversity of people and cultures, and SF has most everything I need (books, opera, symphony, walks, good secure job). But—ever since my first trip to Europe (Vienna and Venice) I have felt dissatisfied. Most recently I visited W. Yorkshire and felt an immediate pull to its unique landscape and culture.

If you could sever the ties that keep you and your family in the city or area where you live now and had the freedom to make a move - but only to a place where you could reasonably expect to afford a similar standard of living, educate your kids and interact with the locals - what would be your priority? Culture, climate, closer to relatives, farther from relatives, fewer outbreaks of ebola virus, less spectacular crime reports? Do you have a place in mind?
My sons are 30 and 27 and have their own lives (both live in AZ). I have a brother in Detroit, one in Vienna, and one here. So I wouldn’t stay in SF for family or friends, plus email and IM make staying in touch so much easier. If I lived in Europe they’d visit me. My ‘standard’ of living has become minimal. I am not attached to things, am not materialistic, so I could be content with the basic amenities. I know what poverty is, and I don't want that for my 'declining' years of course, but I really do need very little that money can buy.

Do you live near the place where you grew up? If not, is it similar or very different?
I chose to stay in California on a visit because it seemed utterly different to the city I was born and raised in. The first thing that impressed me was flowers blooming everywhere at all times. I miss clean snow but not the mostly dirty winters of Detroit.

I am six years to retirement age and beginning to think seriously of what to do, where to go.

Perdita
 
How to answer your question? I lived off and on for twenty some years on Cape Cod. That's where the family home os, and where most of the family have returned to and settled. Five years ago my wife and I packed everything we could fit into a minivan and a trailer the size of the van and moved to West Palm Beach. We have no regrets about the move, and love the people and climate. (The cost of rentals suck though.)

If we could just up and move with no worries about money, we would move just a little bit north, to the area around Silver Springs Florida.

Cat
 
I have to say, I feel at home where I live (San Francisco) I hate some things, like I sometimes wish I could live in San Pablo, California, because that's where my old house was and it's a lot warmer there. Other than traffic/parking concerns, I like it where I am because I can go skiing/snowboarding without too much trouble. I have centers of culture nearby and I can get all kinds of fresh veggies and fruits. Restaurants are fairly cheap, and lots of things around. I wouldn't suggest living here though, it costs a bundle, a house next door for example min. price is 600,000. Standard 5 room house, not large at all. Sunsets are really beautiful though, so I think that's worth lots.
 
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