when I saw that jet slam into that huge building on TV-- that was the coolest thing

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I. From Families of September 11, sent to me at the broadcast organization I manage (grammatical errors are hers):

Dear ________,

I am writing to you on behalf of the over 1,200 members in our group, Families of September 11. Each individual in our group has suffering the never-ending shock and horror of having a loved one murdered on national television. Almost a year later, it is still difficult for each and every one of us to deal with the enduring hardships that this trauma ensues. Many ask how they can ease our suffering, and that of a grieving nation. I am writing to let you know how you to help in a simple, yet very important way.

On September 11, 2001, my mother, Judy ________, along with 3,000 other innocent victims, was murdered in the worst terrorist attack our nation has ever seen. Since that day, the citizens of our grieving nation have been inundated with repeated airings on national television of the final moments for so many of those victims. Since my mom's murder, her death has been broadcast on countless television stations. Each time they show her plane hit the World Trade Center, I have to hide, cover my eyes, or quickly change the channel. I cannot watch my mother die, and every time I watch television I sit ready, in a state of preparedness, in case a news broadcast, news journal, or other program decides to air the horror of her final moments. This is true for so many of the families who were directly affected, as well as for the general public, expecially children, who are traumatized by the repeated airings of murder and mayhem.

How can you help?

Please take the voluntary step of providing verbal warnings each time you show planes crashing into buildings, people jumping from buildings or building collapsing onto themselves. Please show that you care enough about the people personally affected by the attacks, as well as care for all Americans, by allowing them to protect themselves against such harmful images. There is ample medical evidence that demonstrates how harmful these images are to children and families.

To quote Dr. Elana Newman, Director of the Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma, now working at Ground Zero in New York City, “

Evidence shows that victims and survivors of traumatic events struggle with profound feelings of helplessness both at the time of the event (e.g., Brewin, Andrews, & Rose, 2000) and after the event (e.g., Roth and Newman, 1992). This helplessness comes from experiencing a lack of control and predictability during the event(s) and after the event(s). Reminders that occur without warning are particularly troublesome because they contribute to a sense of helplessness, emotional imbalance and lack of control. In the face of these events, opportunities to anticipate and exercise choice and control about with regard to exposure to potential triggers can aid them in regaining a sense of agency and control over their lives.

As a family member of someone who was murdered on September 11, and someone who wants to be able to learn from your fine programming, I implore you to acknowledge that you will begin using verbal or written warnings before you show any real-life graphic material on your program. It clearly demonstrates, in a tangible manner, the compassion and awareness of you and your network for people who have lost so much already.

We look forward to receiving acknowlegment of your agreement to use warnings. You can call ___________ or e-mail me at ____________.

With thanks for your help and compassion,

Carie ____________
Daughter, Judy _____________
President, Families of September 11
http://familiesofseptember11.org/home.asp

_________________________________________________

II. Commentary written by REDWAVE, two days after the Trade Center collapsed.

FUCK THE NOISE

"Man, when I saw that jet slam into that huge building on TV-- that was the coolest thing I've seen since 1992.

Can we have that every day now?

Talk about symbolism, man--
the World Trade Center reduced to rubble,
the Pentagon blown wide open--
brilliant!

Oppressed masses jubilated all over the world"

What did you expect?
This is nothing but chickens coming home to roost

No matter how rich you are,
No matter how powerful you are,
You cannot oppress and brutalize billions of people around the world without someone, somewhere, sometime striking back

Now you know how your victims feel

America, look at yourself first before lashing out at others
 
I'm sorry, but what's your point? Texan has posted that "poem" twice. We all know that REDWAVE is pretty much as low as it gets on the human evolutionary chart, but yesterday you said it was poetry so we shouldn't criticize it.

I know I'm probably misparaphrasing you, but I'm apparently missing something here.
 
I usually stay out of the threads like this, but for redwave to find the WTC attack "brilliant" is contrary to all the decency I find in humans. He needs to look long and hard within and see what pain he is causing.
 
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DCL, allow me eat some crow and apologize for defending RED the other day. You were right I was wrong, it is as simple as that. The fact anyone would post to or with him after reading that disgusting glorification of a criminal act carried out by monsters against innocent civilians merely trying to earn a living is unimaginable. He has a right to express his opinion, but that went beyond the bounds of human decency. Pass the salt, I humbly apologize.
 
I'm starting to feel helpless again. I get that feeling when I am slapped in the face with blinding ignorance and I know there is nothing I can do to change it.

redwave is inhuman scum, worse than the yayati and like the yayati I am not going to respond to him or post on any of his threads anymore (not that I did much before).

I'm so tired of all the bullshit. I'm tired of people so pathetic and needy they think they have to say horrible, sick things to get attention, so alone they crave even the blatent insults and patronization of strangers, so lost they don't even know where to begin fixing their lives so they wallow in self pity and blame the world.
 
Why don't you bother to ask him if he'd write the same thing today? Maybe since he has empathy for the suppressed people around the world that was his initial reaction. America did need a wake up call, not that particular way but I don't think people should get carried away thinking the United States is the ultimate victim. I have a very big problem with swelling nationalism and rampant patriotism-I firmly believe this statement:

"Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)

Some are more correct than others but all nations have that grain of truth in their ridicule/hate, our lifestyles are blatant and the global media pushes it in their faces in that way we all have the slightest sliver of culpability for what happened.
 
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Redwave is scum, and he now has a little troll (no not pp man), following around spreading the same rhetoric.
 
70/30 said:
I have a very big problem with swelling nationalism and rampant patriotism-I firmly believe this statement:

"Every nation ridicules other nations, and all are right."
- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788 - 1860)



"Man, when I saw that jet slam into that huge building on TV-- that was the coolest thing I've seen since 1992.

Can we have that every day now?"



That comment has nothing to do with anti-patriotism or questioning the United State's status as victim.

It's a request to see hundreds of innocent people die daily for entertainment.

Yeah, it's an exageration made to drive home a point. I don't care. It's unacceptable to me. It's inexuseable. It's hurtful and cruel and disrespectful. It's everything that is wrong with this world.
 
That big mushroom cloud over Hiroshima was much cooler. He must cum all over himself watching reruns of that one.
 
RawHumor said:
yesterday you said it was poetry so we shouldn't criticize it.

That's not what I said.

I said that I am loathe to take a man to task for his poetry. I didn't say anything about you or anyone else. I said me. I said that when I hear the word "poetry" I give myself a pause before reacting, and determine, first, the voice the writer is using, which is a fair thing to do when considering someone's poetry or playwrighting. I said that if I then find that it's hateful rhetoric with an agenda, then I dismiss it as "poetry" and comment on it as position. I said in my post above that this was a "commentary" by REDWAVE, not a "poem", because after reading it carefuly, and looking over his other "poetry", I've decided that it's not poetry at all, as I suspected all along. I paused. I determined. I commented.

These are the things that I said, Raw.
 
Hamletmaschine said:
That big mushroom cloud over Hiroshima was much cooler. He must cum all over himself watching reruns of that one.

wrong time of the war to make the commie blush with happiness, Pearl Harbor is when the little commie would blow a load on his poster sized picture of Stalin
 
I believe in GOD, I remember some part of the bible saying:

it is about as hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of GOD as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

America is rich, we are a major designer of the global system. That system make many countries poor. We have some blame in a lot of innocent people dying. Frankly, I understand why many people from LDCs cheered when the WTC fell, it was a symbol of what has been done to them (starvation, sweatshops so WalMart can slash prices). I think WTC should have sent a mixed message to Americans. I don't think Redwave got the complete mem, just as I don't think the flag wavers got the complete memo.
 
RawHumor said:
what's your point?

REDWAVE posts everyday. Plenty of new people appear every day, who think he's just a cranky guy showing a healthy skepticism. REDWAVE's goal is to sway the minds of the discontent every day.

My point is that freedom is won -- every day.
 
70/30 said:
I believe in GOD, I remember some part of the bible saying:

it is about as hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of GOD as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

America is rich, we are a major designer of the global system. That system make many countries poor.

Christ's point was not that it's a sin to be rich (the saying goes that it is the want of money which is the root of all evil, not money itself), but that you should not horde treasure on earth, but rather in the kingdom of Heaven. A rich man who gives to charity and leaves the Earth a better garden will still get into Heaven. The United States of America, and its citizens, privately, send more money and aid overseas than any other nation on Earth.
 
70/30 said:

it is about as hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of GOD as it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

America is rich, we are a major designer of the global system. That system make many countries poor. We have some blame in a lot of innocent people dying. Frankly, I understand why many people from LDCs cheered when the WTC fell, it was a symbol of what has been done to them (starvation, sweatshops so WalMart can slash prices). I think WTC should have sent a mixed message to Americans. I don't think Redwave got the complete mem, just as I don't think the flag wavers got the complete memo.


How is America to blame for another country being poor? sweat shops may not be high paying jobs but they are jobs. I don't agree with the conditions they endure.

The global problems are not America's blame. People can argue all they want about economics and the poverty level.

You blaming Wal Mart for sweat shops is pathetic. Which came first the chicken or the egg? analogy Which came first Wal mart or the sweat shop?
 
Personally, I feel that anybody - regardless of race, creed, color, nationalism, or religion - who takes joy in the slaughter of another human being for whatever reason, is subhuman.
 
Laurel said:
It's a sad time in this country. Pro-terrorism sentiment seems to be in vogue these days.

Ann Coulter on the terroist attack that left 168 men, women, and children dead:

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

http://www2.observer.com/observer/pages/frontpage5.asp


If Ann Coulter is now a meter for what is in Vogue in this country I'm more worried than ever about our future. That woman is so blind and so ignorant I can't even fathom the workings of her tiny little mind.
 
I don't believe Africa is in a better situation than in 1952 and the developed world is much to blame. How hard would it be to help legitimize their diamond industry? Talk about funding terrorists and tyrants, every one we buy goes directly to buying arms to be used on the average person. Since they don't seem to threaten us, it doesn't matter.

People from LDCs cheered because they finally saw Goliath get hit. Redwave identifies with the little guy. Let him have an appalling reaction then hopefully settle into indifference about the 3000. I wasn't surprised at WTC, I felt bad but I didn't get overly emotional. I'm settling into an attitude where it was sad but let's move on and make some changes to make the global scheme better. I don't think rampant nationalism is a good quality, just my personal viewpoint. I don't think this 9/11 memory should be an emotional tool to spread nationalism, I get the feeling that's what many people want to have it do-including bin Laden(whether he is dead or alive).
 
What struck me about the Families of Sept 11 letter was that the address was hand printed, and that (the portion that is not a form letter) has punctuation errors and omitted words. And that fact that she sent one to me meant that she was pouring through some media guide and sending letters to as many diverse and obscure broadcast organizations as she could find. I imagined a living room meeting where she tore out pages from a directory and handed them out to mothers and fathers and parents, each one promising to send out letters to the groups on their page.

We don't show news footage, but I wonder how many TV stations, channels and networks will actually provide warnings before airing the footage. I've seen four shows already about Sept 11, today and yesterday, and none of them had warnings.
 
HeavyStick said:
Redwave is scum, and he now has a little troll (no not pp man), following around spreading the same rhetoric.


I think you must be speaking about Coolville. The arrogant Dane who calls Americans "sheeple". On another thread today he made a comment that I personally found very offensive, but I may be over sensitive. So, I thought I'd bring it to this thread due to the subject matter and ask you to tell me if I'm being too sensitive.

From Coolville: "It was just some buildings that fell down. People died. That's always bad. But now the civilian death toll in Afghanistan is over 4000."

I know, I'm being too critical. Sorry.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
I've seen four shows already about Sept 11, today and yesterday, and none of them had warnings.

In the UK, including tonight, we've had at least 8, with the promise of more to come.

Strangely, as each programme unfolds, it seems as if it were just yesterday that we were all sat glued to our televisions, disbelief etched on all our faces.
 
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