What's that thing appearing at the top of my screen~Free For All?

MissTaken

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I have spent a lot of time in the last couple of days working on some ideas for how to resolve issues and problems that are being discussed on the forum. There have been some great ideas posted.

It seems there are two trains of thought. Some people feel the forum should be more tightly moderated and others feel it should be essentially, unmoderated. I understand both points of view.

There are no simple answers when dealing with an increasingly larger and more eclectic group of people as we have here. With more people, comes diversity in points of view, experiences, personalities and everyone adds flavor to the forum. No one wants to lose that.

Laurel has told me she can give us a mini forum for chat that is off topic , akin to the General Board. Anything anyone wants to post there would be fine as long as they follow the guidelines relevant to potential legal action against lit. No underage posters. No copyrighted images. etc. It would also be moderated in terms of posting of personal information on the forum. However, whether the question is "What's your bra size?" or a thread about "The Rise and Fall of Richard Nixon", it would all be posted there.

Then, the BDSM forum would remain available for those who come to have serious discussions about BDSM topics. Now, I realize that many times one thread becomes another....serious to fluff and vice versa. In that situation, I would likely pm the thread starter and others on the thread to determine if the thread should be moved to the alternate BDSM forum or the thread should be split. That is to say, if a thread is hijacked by flirting, the flirtatious posts could be moved from the moderated forum to the unmoderated forum as their own thread, while the original thread remains in tact.

So, we could try this for a designated period of time and then make changes, keep it or ditch the idea depending on the feedback received.

No, this isn't an original idea. WD came up with it a long time ago and I reread his posts last night on the matter. (Giving credit where credit is due. )

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Second issue: regardless of whether the forum changes format or not, I will not be removing off topic posts unless there seems to be a real need to do so. In a situation where a thread needs to be moved, I will contact the poster PRIOR to moving it so that I don't find myself in situations comparable to the last two days, realizing after the fact that it was a mistake. As i have stated, I do not have the ability to return a thread to the forum. On the other hand, if we have two forums, I can move threads as needed.

Now, the catch is that you, the poster are responsible for notifying me of off topic posts that really need to be elsewhere and be ready to state why the thread is better served elsewhere. I will not go looking for them. As has been pointed out, many off topic threads can take on a life of their own and become relevant to BDSM. And again, I will contact the original poster before taking any action.

In the event that a particular poster is simply annoying to you, I will not remove their threads. Use your ignore option, if you feel that strongly about another poster.

In my opinion, we should still move personal ads to the Personal's Forum as a service to the poster as much as any of us posting here. A personal ad here isn't likely to get much positive feedback and is better served where the lit populace seeking company goes to read personals.

We are all adults here and I believe the forum can essentially moderate itself. I realize this plan is not fool proof, but it is a start to solving the problems at hand.

We will try this for a few weeks and then make a decision about what to do with the "Free For All."


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Last issue: I have apologized to A Desert Rose in private and am doing so now, publicly. I should not have moved the thread unless I was going to move all the off topic threads and was remiss in not pming her. I am sorry, ADR.



:rose:
 
"We" in terms of feedback and decision making are the posters in conjunction with Laurel .

I may start a poll or something in a few weeks to see how people feel about the split forum. In any event, the input of the posters will be taken into consideration and Laurel has the final say in the matter.

:)
 
An interesting display of unilateral decision-making...would it not have occured to you to let the Users talk about it first?

Labels, Rules, Divisions, Heirarchies...all hallmarks of control freaks. It never ceases to amaze me that people like you can use language such as "An Open discussion About XYZ"...yet be so solitary, insensitive and narrow minded when it comes to the collective.

Perhaps you (in your self-appointed capacity as the Royal "We") should create several Forums....Switch...Sub...Dom....Domme....MasoSub...Unsure...KinkyVisitors from the GB Who Also Enjoy Politics...Left Handed LesSubs....

That way, you could create and enforce Rules and move posts around a multitude of locations...which would obviously suit you.

What a crock of shit.

Thanks for asking for our input.


MissTaken said:
I have spent a lot of time in the last couple of days working on some ideas for how to resolve issues and problems that are being discussed on the forum. There have been some great ideas posted.

It seems there are two trains of thought. Some people feel the forum should be more tightly moderated and others feel it should be essentially, unmoderated. I understand both points of view.

There are no simple answers when dealing with an increasingly larger and more eclectic group of people as we have here. With more people, comes diversity in points of view, experiences, personalities and everyone adds flavor to the forum. No one wants to lose that.

Laurel has told me she can give us a mini forum for chat that is off topic , akin to the General Board. Anything anyone wants to post there would be fine as long as they follow the guidelines relevant to potential legal action against lit. No underage posters. No copyrighted images. etc. It would also be moderated in terms of posting of personal information on the forum. However, whether the question is "What's your bra size?" or a thread about "The Rise and Fall of Richard Nixon", it would all be posted there.

Then, the BDSM forum would remain available for those who come to have serious discussions about BDSM topics. Now, I realize that many times one thread becomes another....serious to fluff and vice versa. In that situation, I would likely pm the thread starter and others on the thread to determine if the thread should be moved to the alternate BDSM forum or the thread should be split. That is to say, if a thread is hijacked by flirting, the flirtatious posts could be moved from the moderated forum to the unmoderated forum as their own thread, while the original thread remains in tact.

So, we could try this for a designated period of time and then make changes, keep it or ditch the idea depending on the feedback received.

No, this isn't an original idea. WD came up with it a long time ago and I reread his posts last night on the matter. (Giving credit where credit is due. )

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Second issue: regardless of whether the forum changes format or not, I will not be removing off topic posts unless there seems to be a real need to do so. In a situation where a thread needs to be moved, I will contact the poster PRIOR to moving it so that I don't find myself in situations comparable to the last two days, realizing after the fact that it was a mistake. I should not have moved the thread unless I was going to move all the off topic threads and was remiss in not pming her. I am sorry, ADR.



:rose:
 
Sorry, Lance.

It wasn't my decision.

It was one of a couple of ideas I presented to Laurel and she made the decision.

:)
 
MissTaken said:
Sorry, Lance.

It wasn't my decision.

It was one of a couple of ideas I presented to Laurel and she made the decision.

:)

Well I hope *you* believe that...because nobody else ever will.

It matters not, as Free Speech transcends facism every time.

Lancecastor's Subforum will truly be about Free Speech !
 
Lancecastor said:
Well I hope *you* believe that...because nobody else ever will.

It matters not, as Free Speech transcends facism every time.

Lancecastor's Subforum will truly be about Free Speech !

lancecastor, i will thank U to speak for yourself, and not for me....

i can make up my own mind & make my own call about who is telling the truth....

i sure as shit don't need it spoon fed to me by U or anyone else.
 
lady-kat said:
lancecastor, i will thank U to speak for yourself, and not for me....

i can make up my own mind & make my own call about who is telling the truth....

i sure as shit don't need it spoon fed to me by U or anyone else.

I gather the meaning of the phrase The Royal We eludes you at this time.
 
Lancecastor said:
I gather the meaning of the phrase The Royal We eludes you at this time.
what part of this statement made by u do you wish to re-write?
Originally posted by Lancecastor
Well I hope *you* believe that...because nobody else ever will.

meaning seems pretty clear to me. and i stand by my comment. i can make up my own mind, thank you. and please speak for yourself. this "nobody" u refer to, has a mind of her own

as for "royal we" i have a damn good understanding of it's meaning. having had an English mother... i do not need educating by u.
 
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MissT, it souinds like you have your work cut out for you.
 
From a lurker's perspective....

I would prefer the main (?) BDSM forum to be almost exclusively about BDSM topics that are open to everyone who cares to reply. It gets to be a lot of work ignoring all the unnecessary crap when more than 25% of the threads are about flame wars, petty squables, whose PM box is full, happy birthday and stuff like that.

As for social chatter ruining a good thread, a poster can always just ignore the off-topic replies and redirect things by quoting the first post and answering the original question. That is assuming the original post had something to do with BDSM! ;)

Overall, I compliment MissTaken for being active and involved with the forum. She starts nice topics and usually has something reasonable to say when replying. Perhaps too patient with the off-topic stuff, but that is filtering it all through my personal preferences.

Let me give her one of those rose things!

:rose:
 
Frankly, I think this option should have been discussed amongst those here before the new forum was created. I mean, if the majority say it is unnecessary and people are posting there, what happens? All the fluff comes here? Or goes to the GB? Or does it just get deleted?

A discussion before the other forum would have been appreciated and done far more good. At this point, it's rather like closing the barn door after the horse has escaped, isn't it?
 
Hi Miss T,

It's an idea worth trying.

you said,
//Second issue: regardless of whether the forum changes format or not, I will not be removing off topic posts unless there seems to be a real need to do so. In a situation where a thread needs to be moved, I will contact the poster PRIOR to moving it so that I don't find myself in situations comparable to the last two days, realizing after the fact that it was a mistake. //

I hope this means you will 'notify' the poster and speak to him/her, NOT that you want or need or seek their permission.

This does have a downside, in that the disgruntled will continue to scream about slights (in the form of 'censorship').
 
A thread asking for opinions FIRST would have been more democratic. This is a knee jerk reaction to a minority whinge by a very few people. If my PM was typical then thread starters were only informed after the event.
 
Thank you, everyone.

Please, keep sharing your feedback. It may seem backward , but this is a trial and can be "undone" if that seems to be general consensus. So yes, public opinion posted here will be very helpful.

:)
 
Instead of actually moving items that seem appropriate elsewhere, would it have been possible to have retitled them to begin with "Chat Topics: " or whatever so that the rest of us could see at a single glance what it is that you deem as inappropriate to this forum. (I will admit to being tired of the silly "birthday threads" and the incredibly stupid "Your PM box is full" threads, but the breaking up of forum after forum seems really silly. But were there really so many drive-by topics that this was warrented?)

(shouting is intentional here)
FOR THOSE OF US WITH SLOW A-OH-HELL DIAL UPS THAT GET KNOCKED OFF LINE OVER AND OVER AND OVER, THIS CONSTANT MOVING AROUND OF STUFF DOES NOT MAKE IT EITHER EASIER OR MORE LIKELY FOR OUR RETURN VISITS. I NOW ONLY COME HERE EVERY FEW DAYS UNLESS THERE IS A PARTICULAR THREAD I AM FOLLOWING. NOT EVERYONE FINDS THE HUNT-AND-SEARCH-LET'S-EXPERIMENT-WITH-SOMETHING-NEW-EVERY-FEW-MONTHS-BULLSHIT TO BE VERY USER FRIENDLY.

Okay. Got that out of my system.

Maybe.

Seems my 'puter is glitching out yet again--I have to reboot--guess I won't be getting to that other list of topics that were moved from here today. Sigh. I do love it when others do the thinking for me instead of letting me read the topic lines for myself.
 
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Another thought/suggestion:

Instead of just moving things at the whim of the moderator, how about letting the readers of the forum decide.

In the other forums, there is a popularity contest where the various forums can be rated.
How about doing that here?
When the forum is rated 5 stars, it is moved. (Example only)

With the rating system, it is decided in a simple click by the people who have acutally made the effort to open the thread (and are thus involved in either reading, posting, or having their time wasted by misleading thread titles). No one else has to be involved. No one escessive arguements going on about the validity of that particular title. And it is not up to a single person to think for the rest of us--only those directly involved in that thread.

For those of you unclear-go to the following thread and try it out. You can post if you want, but there is no real need since this is just for experimentation--our fave hobby.
The Thread Rating System
 
I feel like I am suffering from deja vu.

Remember the hub bub when the playground was invented?
 
lovetoread said:
I feel like I am suffering from deja vu.

Remember the hub bub when the playground was invented?
YES!

And I'm glad someone other than me remembers, too! :)
 
Cheyenne said:
YES!

And I'm glad someone other than me remembers, too! :)

Goodness, you'd think the world was ending.

I for one, thought that when the playground was split off it would mean the end of posting as I knew it.

I was wrong. The playground is bigger and much happier now.
 
Re: From a lurker's perspective....

Mr Blonde said:
I would prefer the main (?) BDSM forum to be almost exclusively about BDSM topics that are open to everyone who cares to reply. It gets to be a lot of work ignoring all the unnecessary crap when more than 25% of the threads are about flame wars, petty squables, whose PM box is full, happy birthday and stuff like that.

As for social chatter ruining a good thread, a poster can always just ignore the off-topic replies and redirect things by quoting the first post and answering the original question. That is assuming the original post had something to do with BDSM! ;)

Overall, I compliment MissTaken for being active and involved with the forum. She starts nice topics and usually has something reasonable to say when replying. Perhaps too patient with the off-topic stuff, but that is filtering it all through my personal preferences.

Let me give her one of those rose things!

:rose:

I've never read a "your PM box is full" thread. It wasn't addressed to me so why should I care. Just read my first Happy Birthday post last night, because I know lot's of folks born in May/June and thought it would be a fun change. Didn't learn a whole lot but did drool over some yummy menu's and presents.

I lurk almost daily and occasionally post something totally irrelevant. I'm learning the personalities that just like to jerk chains and the wise people who really give awesome insight into something I know absolutely nothing about.

IMHO ... if things are fragmented and separated it's going to take a lot of the fluff and fun out of this forum.

Grow up people ... read or don't read. Use that nifty scroll bar to speed past the posts and posters you don't want to waste time on.

As for the replies that are totally off topic ... (this especially makes me nuts when the offending posters are the one's who asked the original question but get side-tracked with fluff ... not just on this forum but others too) ... can we think of something along the line of the "5 Stars" but instead vote with raspberries or steaming piles of dog poo?

Thanks for listening,
emer

PS ... is there a way to delete threads that start with "How To" or "I have a Question" ... give us a hint, will ya!
 
so... if it's a free for all, why does it need a moderator? Seems like it isn't really a free for all, if it's got a mod.
 
Seem to remember when the shit started we were advised to not make it an 'us and them' situation...and to ignore the shitstirrers in the hope they would tire of their childish interference. Have heard this advice so often in instances of oppression and censorship and have never found it particularly palatable or wise. After alll women did not get the vote by shutting up and waiting, nor did Australian Aborigines get given their landrights by silently waiting and hoping the great white owners would see their rights respected.

In this instance once again I am seeing the outcome of apathy and turn the other cheek syndrome..and guess what?!! The shitstirrers once again get to rejoice in disrupting what was essentially a valuable forum to most regulars and genuine newcomers....even after admitting their intention was to deliberately cause trouble. So much for democracy and justice...but then everyone knows people in BDSM, just as gays, blacks, and women, really need someone mainstream to keep an eye on their lifestyle for their own good.

Catalina
 
lobito said:
so... if it's a free for all, why does it need a moderator? Seems like it isn't really a free for all, if it's got a mod.

It will only be moderated to a similar degree as the GB

That is to say, no underage posters, no copyrighted images and no personal information.

So, moderated as little as possible.

:)
 
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