What's good for the goose is good for the gander

[Moist_Mary]

Hey Renard, check this Moist Mary post out:


Basically she is saying that courage is required of MEN, but not women. Guys have to initiate conversation, but not her, nosiree.

Moist Mary is now attacking ME as irrational because she can't defend her own irrational, female chauvenist remarks.

I did no such thing.

I simply pointed out that most women do not view sex as the shallow, meaningless act you obviously do. This says nothing of relationships. Two different things.

I will concede one point to you LJ. You have more energy for these rants than I do. I have tried, tried my best to discuss these issues. The very posts of mine you cite are nothing more than the mocking posts I made specifically to illustrate how unproductive, over the top, extreme and emotional posts are when professing to being open minded in a debate.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I did no such thing.

I simply pointed out that most women do not view sex as the shallow, meaningless act you obviously do. This says nothing of relationships. Two different things.

I will concede one point to you LJ. You have more energy for these rants than I do. I have tried, tried my best to discuss these issues. The very posts of mine you cite are nothing more than the mocking posts I made specifically to illustrate how unproductive, over the top, extreme and emotional posts are when professing to being open minded in a debate.

You did not post this?

1) Confidence? If you mean the 'courage' to actually smile and say hello or engage a woman in conversation, then yeah, we can pretty demanding that way. Funny how you men can walk up to a stranger (i.e. other man) in a bar and immediately break into discussion of zone reads or the NBA draft. Or how about the conversations men actually admit to having in the bathrooms in public. Standing there with your dicks in your hands, you talk to complete strangers about the most trivial of subjects. But heaven forbid, you be encouraged to speak to a woman.

So who hacked your account??

That clearly says men are required to have courage and to initiate conversations, but women aren't.

 

[Moist_Mary]

You did not post this?


So who hacked your account??

That clearly says men are required to have courage and to initiate conversations, but women aren't.

I was MOCKING the word courage you jackass!

That's why the word was in quotes in the initial post.

If you think it takes 'courage' to talk to a woman, then it should be avoided by all means.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I was MOCKING the word courage you jackass!

That's why the word was in quotes in the initial post.

If you think it takes 'courage' to talk to a woman, then it should be avoided by all means.

It takes courage to talk to a guy. So few women initiate it.

 

[thesorrow07]

So much for your 'coward' claims. Time to move onto new bullshit now that you're stuck being transported around town in an urn again.

Oh well. You're on ignore. You lose too many fights with me. Bye.

Oooh, Le dickalot put me on Iggy. I'm so crushed.

 

[Moist_Mary]

It takes courage to talk to a guy. So few women initiate it.

It does NOT take courage for a man to talk to a woman nor for a woman to approach a man. What it does take is a willingness to be turned down or rejected. A simple belief that the 'risk' is worth the reward of finding someone that you enjoy.

If being rejected or turned down crushes you or makes you cry yourself to sleep, then how on earth will you ever go apply for a new job?

At the end of the day, men AND women need to be well adjusted enough to live in their own skins. And deal with the trials and tribulations, as well as the hopes and joys of what life brings.

Being a chronic 'victim' rarely pays dividends for either gender. Or race for that matter.

 

[Redatlit]

It does NOT take courage for a man to talk to a woman nor for a woman to approach a man. What it does take is a willingness to be turned down or rejected. A simple belief that the 'risk' is worth the reward of finding someone that you enjoy.

If being rejected or turned down crushes you or makes you cry yourself to sleep, then how on earth will you ever go apply for a new job?

At the end of the day, men AND women need to be well adjusted enough to live in their own skins. And deal with the trials and tribulations, as well as the hopes and joys of what life brings.

Being a chronic 'victim' rarely pays dividends for either gender. Or race for that matter.

I hate to say I told you so, but.................

 

[Moanique]

Oooh, Le dickalot put me on Iggy. I'm so crushed.

OMG, it's devastating, are you okay???

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[Moist_Mary]

I hate to say I told you so, but.................

It's not the fist time I have been labeled a slow learner...

 

[thesorrow07]

OMG, it's devastating, are you okay???

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I think I might, one day, recover from this most greivous blow.

 

[Redatlit]

It's not the fist time I have been labeled a slow learner...

You just had to find out for yourself and that's admirable.

 

[Moanique]

I think I might, one day, recover from this most greivous blow.

Be strong, Sorrow, be strong.

 

[phrodeau]

You did not post this?


So who hacked your account??

That clearly says men are required to have courage and to initiate conversations, but women aren't.

Read it again. It doesn't say that men are required to do anything, nor does it say that women aren't required to do anything.

Where do you get such bizarre ideas?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Well, now you know why...

http://hodja.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/i_have_the_pussy_so_i_make_the_rules.jpg


Equality is a joke. Guys'll never escape the 1950s demands on 'masculinity'. So much for liberation.

 

[Javagirl]

Read it again. It doesn't say that men are required to do anything, nor does it say that women aren't required to do anything.

Where do you get such bizarre ideas?

It's all the crank. Drugs can really fuck up a person's brain. I think his drug addiction began the day he caught his ex-wife fucking the dude with the big dick which made his weenis look small in comparison. It was all downhill from there.

 

[thesorrow07]

I just got a brilliant idea. What if I started a thread asking by a vote, how many people have been called a racist, insulted, attacked, threatened, etc. by LJ? I think it would be a grand thread, with many replies, since Le Jerkoffloaf has lashed out at 95% of everyone here.

 

[Moanique]

I just got a brilliant idea. What if I started a thread asking by a vote, how many people have been called a racist, insulted, attacked, threatened, etc. by LJ? I think it would be a grand thread, with many replies, since Le Jerkoffloaf has lashed out at 95% of everyone here.

That is indeed a brilliant idea.

 

[stickwork]

That is indeed a brilliant idea.

Not me yet, but I'm hoping.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

It does NOT take courage for a man to talk to a woman nor for a woman to approach a man. What it does take is a willingness to be turned down or rejected. A simple belief that the 'risk' is worth the reward of finding someone that you enjoy.

If being rejected or turned down crushes you or makes you cry yourself to sleep, then how on earth will you ever go apply for a new job?

At the end of the day, men AND women need to be well adjusted enough to live in their own skins. And deal with the trials and tribulations, as well as the hopes and joys of what life brings.

Being a chronic 'victim' rarely pays dividends for either gender. Or race for that matter.

Then why do so many women demand that the guy be the one to make the first move?

Make a poll about it if you don't believe me.

 

[renard_ruse]

A homeless man pretty much is a dead man. He has no options.

At least she can survive...

If he's young, say under 25, maybe 30 tops, he could sell his butt to gay guys for money but that's some risky sh*t. Much more likely to get HIV that way. If he's older he can't even do that.

 

[renard_ruse]

Then why do so many women demand that the guy be the one to make the first move?

I think its just biology. There is maybe 10% of men that women throw themselves at (its true I have a friend and he has to fight them off, seriously). For the rest of us, that's just how biology works. I don't make the rules, but I also can't change them.

I do believe females have it easier when it comes to dating, finding partner(s), that sort of thing, but overall I don't think either sex has it easier. There are positives and negatives to both which is why I oppose feminism. I don't know why you want to replace feminism with the idea of male oppression. I think we need to get rid of both of these ideas. Basically, I think life sucks for both sexes but its also pretty cool. Getting to be alive, how awesome is that? To be a conscious entity that can appreciate the universe is pretty amazing. Yes, there are things that suck about being a man, especially in this day and age, but there are still things that suck about being a woman (PMS, periods and cramps, for example). I'm sure that's not fun (of course, its not fun for us either since we have to deal with the bitchiness from it, lol).

 

[BlackShanglan]

That clearly says men are required to have courage and to initiate conversations, but women aren't.

It clearly says that women are attracted to men with the courage to initiate a conversation. It doesn't say anything about what women should or shouldn't do, or imply that women never need to approach men. Here's a thought: maybe men also like people with the courage to approach and start a conversation. In fact ... why, look! That appears to be your position. So both sexes like someone else to take the risk / do the work. Shocking.

And, according you, brutally unfair. But let's look at the argument you're making here, shall we?

"I want a nice woman. I don't like to exert myself / run risks / try to initiate a conversation. Therefore, I should be able to sit here quietly and have women walk up to me and ask me if they could please join me to fulfill my desires."

In what other sphere of life does one normally pursue one's own personal desires by sitting about and waiting for them to fall into one's lap?

No one likes the part of dating where you have to go out and talk to a total stranger. That's why people of both sexes tend to like having someone else do it. It's also why people of both sexes who learn to do it tend to have dates.

(And nice post, MM, on the rejection / courage issue. Indeed!)

 

[BlackShanglan]

I do believe females have it easier when it comes to dating, finding partner(s), that sort of thing, but overall I don't think either sex has it easier. There are positives and negatives to both which is why I oppose feminism. I don't know why you want to replace feminism with the idea of male oppression. I think we need to get rid of both of these ideas. Basically, I think life sucks for both sexes but its also pretty cool. Getting to be alive, how awesome is that? To be a conscious entity that can appreciate the universe is pretty amazing. Yes, there are things that suck about being a man, especially in this day and age, but there are still things that suck about being a woman (PMS, periods and cramps, for example). I'm sure that's not fun (of course, its not fun for us either since we have to deal with the bitchiness from it, lol).

I quite like your overall point here. The one thing I'd add to it is that I think that the "girls have it easier on the dating scene" argument only works if you assume that most women are interested in the same thing as most men. Sometimes they are, but often they aren't.

Most of the men I've heard complaining about how easy women have it immediatey leap to "they can get sex any time they want." Regardless of whether this is true or not (and I personally doubt it actually is), it doesn't address whether the woman can get what she wants, not what the man in question would himself like to have. "Random sex with any stranger willing to set his standards low enough" is not something I've heard a great many women say they're looking for, although it does seem to be a reasonably popular choice on college campuses. Because men and women often want different things, they're likely to have equal trouble getting them. A man who walks home alone after a night of looking for a quick fling might be grumbling about how easy women have it, but then the woman who's been looking for someone interested in an actual relationship is probably thinking the same thing.

 

[renard_ruse]

"I want a nice woman. I don't like to exert myself / run risks / try to initiate a conversation. Therefore, I should be able to sit here quietly and have women walk up to me and ask me if they could please join me to fulfill my desires."

His point, I think, is that women DO get to sit there and wait while men approach them. Then they get to choose whichever one they want. In fact, they say that they are "oppressed" because men harass them all the times for dates. Personally, I've never had sympathy for that (unless the man is truly dangerous or scaring them). Try being us, and NEVER having the opposite pursue you. That's why the sex harassment laws are such a joke to me. I find them ridiculous. In fact, I've detailed in another thread, the gay guys who I guess "harassed" me when I was younger. Well, I don't really like gays in the first place, but I never felt mad that they liked me. It was flattering in fact. Women call it "oppression" when men like them, unless the guy is hot then they are happy about it. That doesn't seem right.

On the other hand, I think he needs to suck it up and stop bitching about it. Life is how it is. Facts are facts. There are plenty of things that suck about being a woman, I'm sure. He should accept the world the way it is and get on his life.

 

[renard_ruse]

"Random sex with any stranger willing to set his standards low enough" is not something I've heard a great many women say they're looking for, although it does seem to be a reasonably popular choice on college campuses.

That's why I would send my daughters to BYU (and I'm not even Mormon). Either that or a convent.