what the hell is wrong with people?!

[thegirlfriday11]

this is just sick

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1895&e=2&u=/nm/20041218/us_nm/crime_baby_dc
Father United with Baby Cut from Slain Mother

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The father of a baby girl snatched from the womb of her strangled mother greeted the infant as a miracle as the two were united after a grisly murder that gripped the United States, a Kansas hospital said on Saturday.

The girl, Victoria Jo Stinnett, was healthy and "a miracle," the Stormont-Vail hospital in Topeka, Kansas, quoted the girl's father, Zebulon Stinnett, as saying after the two were united late on Friday.

The girl's mother, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, 23, had been found strangled in her Missouri home on Thursday with her abdomen sliced open, the baby gone and the umbilical cord cut.

The woman was eight-months pregnant when discovered in a pool of blood by her mother, Becky Harper. Investigators said Harper "noted it appeared as though her daughter's stomach had exploded."

A nationwide "Amber Alert" for the missing baby drew intense attention. It was credited with helping authorities find the girl alive and in the possession of Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Kansas, who was arrested on Friday on murder and kidnap charges.

Montgomery confessed to killing Stinnett and taking the baby, according to a federal criminal complaint. Based on the statement, the authorities united the baby girl and her father, although DNA tests are pending, Nodaway County, Missouri, Sheriff Ben Espey said through a spokeswoman.

"I want to thank family, friends, Amber Alert and law enforcement officials for their support at this time," Zebulon Stinnett said in the hospital statement.

Stinnett, of Skidmore, Missouri, and other family members had traveled to Topeka to be with the baby, who was listed in good condition.

COMPUTER SLEUTHS

Montgomery probably will appear in court on Monday in either Kansas or Missouri, authorities said.

Authorities desperately trying to find the prematurely born baby had honed in on Montgomery with the help of a tip and FBI (news - web sites) computer sleuths tracing Internet communications. They tracked the baby to the town of Melvern, in eastern Kansas, where she was found at Montgomery's home.

Bobbie Jo Stinnett bred and sold rat-terrier dogs, and had been in communication on her computer with someone who asked for directions to her home to make a purchase, according to an affidavit released by the U.S. Attorney in Kansas City.

Stinnett's mother also told the authorities her daughter had said in a phone conversation that she was expecting someone to come and look at her dogs and then said, "Oh, they're here, I've got to go."

Marks on Stinnett's throat indicated she had been strangled from behind, and blond hair was found clenched in both of her hands.

The motive for the crime remained unknown, investigators said. Local media in Kansas City reported that Montgomery had suffered an earlier miscarriage.

Agents who made the arrest said Montgomery had told her husband, Kevin, that she had unexpectedly given birth.

"She had ... called her husband, we allege in the complaint, and told him that she had a baby in Topeka," Todd Graves, U.S. District Attorney for Western Missouri, told ABC's "Good Morning America.

"She was at Long John Silver's (restaurant) in Topeka, he should come and meet her. He went to meet her; there was a baby; they took it home."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../20041218/ts_alt_afp/uscrimebaby_041218192702
Woman charged in case of infant torn from slain mother's womb

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US authorities have charged a woman with murder and kidnapping after an infant girl ripped from her dead mother's womb was found alive at the woman's home

Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kansas, could face the death penalty if convicted on charges of murder and kidnapping resulting in death, US Attorney Todd Graves said Friday in Maryville, Missouri.

Authorities could not say if anyone else would be charged.

"This is a heart-rending case," Graves said.

The baby was found alive in Montgomery's home just 24 hours after the mutilated body of 23-year-old Bobbie Jo Stinnett was found in Stinnett's Missouri home.

The killer had strangled and sliced open Stinnett, who was eight months pregnant, and removed her unborn child.

Missouri officials later said an anonymous tip had led them to a home in the neighboring state of Kansas, where the baby was found and two people were taken into custody.

"The baby appears to be fine," said Nodaway County Sheriff Bill Espey. "We have no indications that the child was hurt in any way. The child is in the hospital being checked out by pediatricians."

Authorities told reporters that Montgomery met the pregnant woman after feigning interest in a dog Stinnett was selling. Stinnett bred rat terriers as a small home business.

Using an assumed name, Montgomery allegedly struck up an online exchange with Stinnett and got driving directions to her house. According to court documents, Montgomery went to the house, strangled Stinnett from behind, then sliced her open to remove the infant.

A neighbor told investigators that she had seen a blond woman leave Stinnett's home in Skidmore, Missouri, in a red Honda the same afternoon as the murder.

By mid-morning Friday, a dog breeder from North Carolina who had heard an alert for the missing baby contacted federal authorities with information about a rat terrier message board that Stinnett was active on.

According to media reports, investigators learned from checking Stinnett's computer that she recently had exchanged e-mails with a Darlene Fischer, who was using the e-mail address fischer4kids at hotmail.com.

The e-mail address led authorities to Melvern, Kansas, where they found Montgomery, officials said. She and her husband told authorities she had been pregnant and had gone into labor while shopping. The baby girl, later identified as Stinnett's, was found alive.

"The girl was in pretty good shape, considering what she had been through," FBI (news - web sites) spokesman Jeff Lanza said.



and a few weeks ago, a woman cut off her baby's arms

i don't get it...
what the hell is up with the violent (gruesomely so) women lately?

 

[Holly Delight]

Several threads on this already

 

[MCunnilinguist]

I don't know but if women are going to be as evil as men, then they should be treated the same way that evil men are.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Several threads on this already

oh, sorry, i haven't been on much in the last few days and i guess i'm not paying attention


ok, disregard the repetitive thread

 

[Guest]

 

[Holly Delight]

oh, sorry, i haven't been on much in the last few days and i guess i'm not paying attention


ok, disregard the repetitive thread

Not a problem.

It does make one think that pregnant ladies need to be guarded to protect their unborn -- and this is a civilized society?

And yes, women are capable of unspeakable crimes just like men. No gender barrier there, it seems.

 

[thegirlfriday11]

I didn't see the other threads but I feel the need to point out.
This senseless crime is one of several like it.
The one that literally tore me up was the murder of Deborah Evans and her kids in 1995. The cut her baby from the womb, murdered her and the older two children. Completely sick.
Because they wanted a baby.


http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/illinois.htm

there are some truly sick people in this world

 

[thegirlfriday11]

Not a problem.

It does make one think that pregnant ladies need to be guarded to protect their unborn -- and this is a civilized society?

And yes, women are capable of unspeakable crimes just like men. No gender barrier there, it seems.

i was born in los angeles five days before sharon tate's baby was cut out by members of the manson family (my mom was 18)

i can remember my mom telling me about the story and that it scared the crap out of pregnant women and women who'd recently given birth because they didn't know who or why anyone would do such a thing

society is becoming less civilized, people are becoming more violent
children are becoming more violent...bringing guns to school and killing their peers, teachers, and themselves...

an interesting article on crimes committed by women

http://www.stephaniecovington.com/html/genderedjustice.html

In recent decades, the number of women under criminal justice supervision has increased dramatically. In 1990, there were approximately 600,000 women in prisons or jails, on probation, or on parole in the United States; in 2000, the figure had risen to more than one million women. Although the rate of incarceration for women continues to be far lower than the rate for men (58 of 100,000 women versus 896 of 100,000 men), the number of women imprisoned in the United States since 1980 has increased at a rate nearly double the rate for men. Nationally, the number of women in state and federal prisons increased nearly eightfold between 1980 and 2001, from 12,300 to 93,031 (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 2002; National Institute of Justice, 1998).
Despite these figures, there does not appear to be a corresponding increase in women's criminality. In 1998, nearly two-thirds of women in state prisons were serving sentences for nonviolent offenses (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999). Women are arrested and incarcerated primarily for property and drug offenses, with drug offenses representing the largest source of the increase (36%) in the number of women prisoners in 1998. Interestingly, the proportion of women imprisoned for violent crimes has continued to decrease. The rate at which women commit murder has been declining since 1980, and the per capita rate of murders committed by women in 1998 was the lowest recorded since 1976. Of the women in state prisons in 1998, 28 percent had been incarcerated for a violent offense (Bureau of Justice Statistics, 1999). Many of the violent crimes committed by women are against a spouse, ex-spouse, or partner, and the women committing such crimes are likely to report having been physically and/or sexually abused, often by the person they assaulted.
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I don't know but if women are going to be as evil as men, then they should be treated the same way that evil men are.

from the same article...

Pollock (1994) asks whether women are receiving more equal treatment in the criminal justice system today than was the case in years past. If equal treatment means equal incarceration, the answer is a definite yes. Many more women offenders are likely to be incarcerated now than at any previous time in U.S. history, and the criminal justice system appears to be more willing to imprison women (Bloom & Chesney-Lind, 2000).

There is continuing debate about whether equality under the law is necessarily good for women (see Chesney-Lind & Pollock-Byrne, 1995; Chesney-Lind & Bloom, 1997). Some argue that the only way to eliminate the discriminatory treatment and oppression that women have experienced in the past is to push for continued equalization under the law -- that is, to champion equal rights amendments and to oppose any legislation that treats men and women differently. This group argues that, although equal treatment may hurt women in the short run, it is the only way to guarantee in the long run that women will ever be treated as equal partners in economic and social realms. MacKinnon (1987) states, “For women to affirm difference, when difference means dominance, as it does with gender, means to affirm the qualities and characteristics of powerlessness” (pp. 38-39). Even those who do not view the experience of women as one of oppression conclude that women are victimized by laws that were created from “concern and affection” and that were designed to protect them (Kirp, Yudof, & Franks, 1986).

The opposing argument maintains that because women are not the same as men, the use of a male standard to measure equality means that women will always lose. Recognition of the different or “special” needs of women is thus called for. This would mean that women and men would receive differential treatment, as long as such treatment did not put women in a more negative position than the absence of such a standard.

Yet another position points out that both the equal treatment and special needs approaches accept the domination of male definitions. For example, equality for women is defined as rights equal to those of males, and differential needs are defined as needs different from those of males. In this position, women are the “other” under the law; the bottom line is a male one (Smart, 1989). Eisenstein (1988) writes, “Difference in this instance is set up as a duality: woman is different from man, and this difference is seen as a deficiency because she is not man” (p. 8).
While these and other scholars are identifying the limitations in law of a model for equal treatment, that model is the basis for sentencing reforms throughout the United States. These “gender-neutral” sentencing reforms aim to reduce sentencing disparity by punishing like crimes in the same way. By emphasizing parity and then utilizing a male standard, we ensure that more women lose their freedom (Daly, 1994).

As a result of prisoners’ rights litigation based on the parity model (see Pollock-Byrne, 1990), women offenders are being swept up in a system that appears to be eager to treat women equally, which actually means as if they were men. Since this orientation does not change the role of gender in prison life or corrections, female prisoners receive the worst of both worlds.

For example, boot camps have become popular as alternatives to prison for juvenile and adult offenders. New York State operates a boot camp for women that is modeled on boot camps for men, including the use of uniforms, shorn hair, humiliation for disrespect of staff, and other militaristic approaches. Chain gangs for women have also become acceptable, as is the case in Maricopa County, Arizona (Atwood, 2000).