What...the...fuck...

[dolf]

This is just insane.

 

[raindancer]

That poor neighbor that feels at fault because if he had never called the police, she would be alive today. The system is broken.

 

[dolf]

That poor neighbor that feels at fault because if he had never called the police, she would be alive today. The system is broken.

Not his fault at all, poor old guy.

 

[dolf]

Every time I watch it, I just don't think anyone could have "complied with police". Could she even hear what he said? Some stranger yells at you, through a window, in a pitch black yard. And it's so fast! Not even time to process before *bang*

 

[suurfer]

I don't think the case is reflective of the system (well, the system could be broken too, but that's another topic).


"A neighbour said he called a non-emergency number after becoming worried in the early hours about an open door.
The clip shows officers circulating the perimeter of the residential property and spotting a figure at the window."


The scenario as described by the caller looked like a house break-in, even crime.
The officer seemed either anxious, or incompetent therefore trigger happy.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Police are people too.



People are fallible.

We make mistakes.

 

[FGB]

People would like to say it was because she was black but the truth is the police are way to much on the shoot in these later days.

There is a good chance that they could not tell who or what was moving around in that house.

I'm glad the kid didn't get hurt... Now I don't know if there is an unwritten shoot first ask questions later policy around here but there are entirely to many people being shot by law enforcement that did not have to be!

 

[seeshelly]

What if she lived in the Windy City

If she lived in the Windy City and got shot by some gang members her death would not be in a thread here or in the news. I feel bad for what happened to her but if you are serious about wanting to fix the broken system you need to open your eyes to the much greater problem that looms all around you. A good eye opener would be for you to figure out the honest answer to this question: "Why doesn't the media cover the black on black shooting death epidemic?" If you figure out the answer to that question if will open your eyes to some other questions. But rather than honestly think about what I am saying you could just choose to be angry at me and go back to sleep.

 

[bellisarius]

It IS fucked up. And that cop damn sure needs to face some serious investigation. The officer was perfectly capable of removing his own ass from any "perceived" threat to himself. Given the alternatives he had available I can see no excuse beyond either an overactive imagination or a serious "control" issue.

That being said, exactly what difference does it make what the race of the two parties are?

 

[Aglaopheme]

This should have been a wellness check, and this woman was shot in her home within 4 seconds of the officer seeing her.

She heard a noise outside her window, and it appears the officer did not identify himself as an office. What would folks say if she had stood her ground and shot the officer?

 

[suurfer]

People would like to say it was because she was black but the truth is the police are way to much on the shoot in these later days.

There is a good chance that they could not tell who or what was moving around in that house.

I'm glad the kid didn't get hurt... Now I don't know if there is an unwritten shoot first ask questions later policy around here but there are entirely to many people being shot by law enforcement that did not have to be!

Can you blame (some) US cops for being so trigger happy?
Everybody can easily procure a gun over there, the press vilified cops so they're quite hated. Your cops must be in constant fear for their lives.


But I'd be more harsh on the cop because it happened in the UK,
where (but for sporting rifles) handguns have been banned since 1996.

Although on the other hand, I keep hearing horror stories about increasing crime in the UK, it could be possible that they now have underground network access to guns too.

 

[icanhelp1]

I don't think the case is reflective of the system (well, the system could be broken too, but that's another topic).


"A neighbour said he called a non-emergency number after becoming worried in the early hours about an open door.
The clip shows officers circulating the perimeter of the residential property and spotting a figure at the window."


The scenario as described by the caller looked like a house break-in, even crime.
The officer seemed either anxious, or incompetent therefore trigger happy.

Unfortunately it happened but we need to wait until the facts are all in. Very well could be a rookie cop, lack of training, lack of experience. Let the investigation find out what happened. I can hear the drumbeat of riots now. It's going to turn into a racist thing all because people jump to conclusions.

 

[bellisarius]

Unfortunately it happened but we need to wait until the facts are all in. Very well could be a rookie cop, lack of training, lack of experience. Let the investigation find out what happened. I can hear the drumbeat of riots now. It's going to turn into a racist thing all because people jump to conclusions.

Exactly! It has all the appearances of a bad shoot, but without a thorough investigation there is no evidence race played a role.

 

[icanhelp1]

Can you blame (some) US cops for being so trigger happy?
Everybody can easily procure a gun over there, the press vilified cops so they're quite hated. Your cops must be in constant fear for their lives.


But I'd be more harsh on the cop because it happened in the UK,
where (but for sporting rifles) handguns have been banned since 1996.

Although on the other hand, I keep hearing horror stories about increasing crime in the UK, it could be possible that they now have underground network access to guns too.

Cops are people too! They make mistakes. Recruitment of police officers is in crisis mode. It's a thankless job and 99.999% of them truly want to serve. I'm sure the anarchist will be out in force. You know, the ones who use the tragic situation to loot their neighbors.

 

[HisArpy]

Can you blame (some) US cops for being so trigger happy?
Everybody can easily procure a gun over there, the press vilified cops so they're quite hated. Your cops must be in constant fear for their lives.


But I'd be more harsh on the cop because it happened in the UK,
where (but for sporting rifles) handguns have been banned since 1996.

Although on the other hand, I keep hearing horror stories about increasing crime in the UK, it could be possible that they now have underground network access to guns too.

It's not "easy" to get a gun in the US. The tabloids and politicians try to SAY it is, but in reality, it isn't.

Secondly, my possessing a firearm doesn't automatically make me dangerous. I carry one every day and I've never had to shoot anyone yet. Nor have I ever threatened to shoot anyone.

Given that, why would you consider me a danger merely because I have a gun on me? Merely because you don't know that I've never done any wrongs with a gun? If that's the case why do you not treat everyone you see around you the same way? You don't know they're not mass murderers or violent felons. You don't know they're not intent on mayhem. So, under the same standard you use for guns, you must assume they are. Even when they aren't.

It's the fact that you believe guns to be dangerous that's the problem here, not me or my guns. The reason for this is that your exposure to guns is probably limited to news feeds and movies. Neither of which is the best source for information on gun safety or the proper use of firearms. Good for fear mongering, not so good for clear headed thinking.

As for the cop, he's going to be prosecuted and go to jail. Absent a clear and present danger to his safety, he had absolutely no authority to shoot at an unidentified target. His job to to investigate and arrest criminals. If during the course of that process he takes a hit, well he volunteered for that risk when he signed on. If it's too much risk, he should quit and seek employment in another unrelated field of endeavor.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Unfortunately it happened but we need to wait until the facts are all in. Very well could be a rookie cop, lack of training, lack of experience. Let the investigation find out what happened. I can hear the drumbeat of riots now. It's going to turn into a racist thing all because people jump to conclusions.

Very well have could have been a veteran cop who
has seen all the best that humanity offers when
it comes to poverty...

 

[FGB]

Can you blame (some) US cops for being so trigger happy?
Everybody can easily procure a gun over there, the press vilified cops so they're quite hated. Your cops must be in constant fear for their lives.


But I'd be more harsh on the cop because it happened in the UK,
where (but for sporting rifles) handguns have been banned since 1996.

Although on the other hand, I keep hearing horror stories about increasing crime in the UK, it could be possible that they now have underground network access to guns too.

Well, This is Texas never has been unusual for anyone to be carrying a firearm of any kind.

My 87 year old Grandmother carried a .38 revolver and a nice sized knife too.

My mother carried also

Nice woman...salt of the earth and a dead shot!

No their never has been a time when people where expected not to be carrying...that is why lawmen ask . Even before it was strictly legal officers often turned a blind eye to certain people carrying or how firearms were carried.

True people are meaner and crazier and seem to take human life in lesser regard these days but when law enforcement keeps using deadly force on people that are not an immediate threat to them or anyone else it time for some changes.

 

[dolf]

Seriously?

I post a link to a story about a young woman being killed by a cop who fucked up... and half the responses are that black people kill each other all the time, and black people will probably loot now.

Is that really your first reaction?!

 

[suurfer]

It's not "easy" to get a gun in the US. The tabloids and politicians try to SAY it is, but in reality, it isn't.

Secondly, my possessing a firearm doesn't automatically make me dangerous. I carry one every day and I've never had to shoot anyone yet. Nor have I ever threatened to shoot anyone.

Given that, why would you consider me a danger merely because I have a gun on me? Merely because you don't know that I've never done any wrongs with a gun? If that's the case why do you not treat everyone you see around you the same way?

It's the fact that you believe guns to be dangerous that's the problem here, not me or my guns. The reason for this is that your exposure to guns is probably limited to news feeds and movies. Neither of which is the best source for information on gun safety or the proper use of firearms. Good for fear mongering, not so good for clear headed thinking.

You guys have a different approach to the issue than the rest of the world, probably because you have a different history.

You have valid reasons to own a gun - for protection, I understand. As do many of those who hunt (job-wise or for recreation).
A case by case basis is appropriate.
But too many crazy shootings in the US.

As for the cop, he's going to be prosecuted and go to jail.
Absent a clear and present danger to his safety, he had absolutely no authority to shoot at an unidentified target. His job to to investigate and arrest criminals. If during the course of that process he takes a hit, well he volunteered for that risk when he signed on. If it's too much risk, he should quit and seek employment in another unrelated field of endeavor.

Looks like it, if the press reported it accurately.

I've grown more distrustful of the press over the last days:
the Turkey-Syria reporting showed bias, deliberate misleading info and propaganda, and the "gambling led to violence" from Debbie's - incompetence.

 

[Rightguide]

Police are people too.



People are fallible.

We make mistakes.

I doubt he answered that call thinking, "I'm going to kill a young mother tonight." There will be an investigation, and in the interest of public safety the officer's life will be destroyed regardless of facts of the event. Lawsuits for wrongful death will ensue, millions will be awarded. Lawyers will line their pockets and recipients, caught up in the euphoria of what to do with the new found windfall, will improve their lives and the poor victim will become a diminishing memory.

 

[bellisarius]

Seriously?

I post a link to a story about a young woman being killed by a cop who fucked up... and half the responses are that black people kill each other all the time, and black people will probably loot now.

Is that really your first reaction?!

Where has anyone said that?

 

[dolf]

I doubt he answered that call thinking, "I'm going to kill a young mother tonight." There will be an investigation, and in the interest of public safety the officer's life will be destroyed regardless of facts of the event. Lawsuits for wrongful death will ensue, millions will be awarded. Lawyers will line their pockets and recipients, caught up in the euphoria of what to do with the new found windfall, will improve their lives and the poor victim will become a diminishing memory.

That's really not how grief works.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Can you blame (some) US cops for being so trigger happy?
Everybody can easily procure a gun over there, the press vilified cops so they're quite hated. Your cops must be in constant fear for their lives.


But I'd be more harsh on the cop because it happened in the UK,
where (but for sporting rifles) handguns have been banned since 1996.

Although on the other hand, I keep hearing horror stories about increasing crime in the UK, it could be possible that they now have underground network access to guns too.

It happed in Texas. And, yes, we can blame our police for being trigger happy.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Very well have could have been a veteran cop who
has seen all the best that humanity offers when
it comes to poverty...

Care to expand on that and how it applicable here?

 

[suurfer]

It happed in Texas. And, yes, we can blame our police for being trigger happy.

Aah, Texas?
I read the article but somehow it didn't register. And I thought, from dolf's consternation that it happened in the UK. Shootings in the US are pretty common.

That's why they put "Black woman" in the title.
Texas, I understand is more racist than other areas.
But do they have a sustained problem with shootings of Black civilians by cops, or are they trying to sensationalize it?