What makes a Mother/Son incest story hot?

[Panty Wrangler]

I've been thinking about this lately and I think I know the answer - or at least I'm comfortable with my answer; but I'm curious what other authors think about this.

What primarily motivates the reader to be interested and excited by these stories?

I'd imagine that most men would cringe at the prospect of actually engaging in an incestuous relationship with their real mom no matter how much they may love her or even be able to objectively see her as beautiful. I'd expect that most women would similarly cringe at the prospect of actual incest with their son, and yet many readers do find this category exciting.

I assume when a guy reads a mother/son incest story they're (a) identifying with the son, and (b) getting off on either the taboo, the power dynamic, or both. Making it a romance would not make it hot - possibly creepy, but probably not hot. Focusing on the taboo and/or the power dynamic seems like a better approach.

If you do think these kinds of stories can be hot, then what makes them hot for you?

Do women also get turned on by a well written mother/son incest story? I assume some do, so I'd really like to hear from any women what they think makes a story like that hot.

 

[lovecraft68]

I wrote this a few years ago, it covers incest stories in general, not just mother and son, but a lot of what's in it applies to every 'pairing" in I/T

https://www.literotica.com/s/write-incest-like-a-mother-fucker

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Interesting perspective! I certainly hadn't considered it from that angle, but I can see how that could make for an interesting story. Not sure how that would make the story hot - but it would certainly lend a lot of interesting depth to the character development.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

I wrote this a few years ago, it covers incest stories in general, not just mother and son, but a lot of what's in it applies to every 'pairing" in I/T

https://www.literotica.com/s/write-incest-like-a-mother-fucker

Thanks! I like how your HT is written conversationally.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Hot is subjective. For me, tension creates a fire and there's not much tenser than crossing a boundary with someone you respect and being uncertain of how they will respond to it.

Ahhh! So the heat for you is the tension, but the love/care aspect sets the stage and sells it?

I agree completely there needs to be tension. The characters all know incest is wrong. They resist their urges - or try to deny themselves. They may not even realize the other one is secretly harboring similar thoughts and feelings, though of course the reader does.

I think I may have neglected or under-appreciated the love/care aspect.

Thanks!

 

[NotWise]

I assume when a guy reads a mother/son incest story they're (a) identifying with the son, and (b) getting off on either the taboo, the power dynamic, or both. Making it a romance would not make it hot - possibly creepy, but probably not hot. Focusing on the taboo and/or the power dynamic seems like a better approach.

I think you're underestimating the power of romance.

I/T stories are pretty much all fantasies. I try to make it seem like there are understandable reasons for the relationship. Suspension of disbelief is absolutely necessary, and a little flavor or realism helps that suspension. Readers who can't suspend their disbelief will not enjoy the story.

There are at least two kinds of story. In either case, Mom loves Son and Son loves Mom. One case is the quick off where Mom and Son are put in a situation where sex happens without much explanation. The other is essentially a romance in which the sexual relationship develops over a period of time, and possibly against the better judgement of either Mom or Son.

In the first case, I expect that the taboo is the main driver for popularity. In the second case it's the taboo plus the power of romance.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

I think you're underestimating the power of romance.

Yep, I see that now. I definitely underestimated the importance of that aspect in my prior understanding. I do still think the taboo/power dynamic are important; but you're right - it's not a particularly engaging fantasy without the love aspect.

Thanks!

 

[Panty Wrangler]

I wrote this a few years ago, it covers incest stories in general, not just mother and son, but a lot of what's in it applies to every 'pairing" in I/T

https://www.literotica.com/s/write-incest-like-a-mother-fucker

OK, just finished reading this... Wow! Great advice!

I'm actually pretty happy to see that my first story, and the story arc I'm planning, already incorporates some of the aspects you hit on - though having read your HT I feel like I'm much more cognizant of them and better equipped to pull the story together!

Thanks!

 

[SimonDoom]

I write a lot of mom-son incest, and I've done pretty well doing it. Here are my thoughts:

1. Number one, it's the taboo. As society gradually becomes more liberal on sexual topics, there are fewer and fewer real taboos - things you cannot do. The idea of doing something sexual that you are not supposed to is, for many, hot. Incest still is a very, very strong taboo.

2. It's Oedipal. In mom-son incest the son steps into the shoes of the father. There is the sense that he grows in power and manhood and replaces the father. And from mom's point of view, she must accept her son in that new role, as a man. It's therefore transformative, and therefore perfect story fodder, because good stories thrive on change --characters moving from one position to another, based on powerful internal motivations, and despite strong obstacles.

3. There are endless opportunities to make these stories titillating. You have a man and a woman who have the potential to be sexually attracted to one another, but society frowns on it and they've been raised not to feel that way. Moms and sons interact with one another all the time, just naturally. You can spin those interactions in a slightly sexy way and it's fun. One of the really big background features of a Mom-Son incest story is no one else can know. Society will shun or punish them if they find out. So many opportunities for drama and titillation.

4. I usually make Dad the villain. He cheated on mom, or he's absent, or he's drunk. Most of all -- he does not appreciate and value Mom and her sexuality. Mom has sexual needs -- and unmet sexual needs are a powerful driver of erotica. Son steps into meet that need. So there's a fun background dynamic where the reader roots for Mom and Son getting together and wants the son -- the real man -- to replace the father -- the unworthy partner to Mom. It's a romantic/sexual triangle.

5. They can be very romantic. This is the most surprising aspect of Mom-Son. But it's absolutely true. Many incest readers want their Mom-Son stories to be loving and romantic. It's like any gothic romance -- you have a love that cannot be denied, but the differences of their positions create obstacles they must overcome.

6. Also, I usually interweave into my incest story themes of female exhibitionism and sexual empowerment, because I like those themes. Mom's been in a boring marriage. She's not appreciated. She's stuck. She's a sexual butterfly waiting to emerge from her cocoon. Along comes her son! Butterfly time.

I should add, finally, that this is not a personal kink of mine, outside of reading and writing stories. It's not personally appealing at all and my stories in this genre are not based on any personal fantasies I've had. I find the stories interesting and fun as written erotica. I have some readers who tell me they've had these fantasies about their moms for years, and that's not me.

Last thing: I read Lovecraft's Incest how-to article before I wrote my first incest story, and I owe a great debt to it. Everything in it is 100% dead-on. Anyone interested in writing an incest story at Literotica should read that article. It's a nice combo of theory and practice.

I'm sure there's a lot more, but that's part of it.

 

[HeyAll]

For me, I think it's mostly about taking a wholesome woman and having her consumed with sexual deviancy. It's the reason why the vast majority of mom's in mom/son porn and stories are prim and proper. It's rare that the mom is ghetto or trashy. People want a respectable woman to play that part, otherwise it's not interesting.

On a side note, there are indeed women who read mom/son stories. I've chatted on audio with them before.

Having said that, I'd say the readers are at least 90% men.

 

[ScrappyPaperDoodler]

Before I wrote my first I/T story, Lovecraft's HT was invaluable and I still turn to it whenever I get stuck.

Upon writing that first story, I never intended for there to be any mom/son shenanigans. In part one of the series I made maybe three brief references to the mother and focused almost exclusively on sibcest. Yet, a good third of the comments I got were about how the mom should get involved... Even today, I can't quite figure out why she became such an object of fascination for readers.

Here are some theories though:

The fantasy of having all the sexual and romantic satisfaction you want under one roof is appealing. Basically, you'd never have to leave home if mom wakes you up with a blowjob every morning while also making you breakfast and telling you that you're her darling. For many people that fantasy is an antidote to loneliness and alienation; a domestic utopia. Obviously, real-life incest doesn't play that way, but luckily the category tends to avoid realism more than others.

Describing the mother in my first story as a poor parent definitely opened the door to 'revenge', but certainly not disrespect. A mother in I/T can debase herself for her children's pleasure but I think readers except that she still be treated with a degree of reverence. There have been threads on this before, where it was noted that at least some readers object to mothers engaging in certain sex-acts.

Another part of the above goes beyond the familial aspect and hits at the romance dimension. Incest lovers are all about romance and it's absolutely fundamental to the category. From a writer's perspective, I think it allows for cheesier dialogue and over-the-top affection. That suits my style well and it's one of the reasons I love writing for the category.

Finally, I don't think you can underestimate how hot 'mommy-talk' is... It's even part of mainstream sexuality and has been for a long time. People calling each other 'daddy', 'mommy', 'sis', 'bro'... I quickly Googled why people like this and the predominant opinion is that it has to do with power dynamics, which are of course the other big thing about I/T as a category. With mom/son, this is usually inverted: calling someone daddy and being called mommy are both forms of supplication, although not always the case. Since most readers here are male, that scratches an itch; especially if you write in first-person.

 

[TadOverdon]

I assume when a guy reads a mother/son incest story they're (a) identifying with the son, and (b) getting off on either the taboo, the power dynamic, or both. Making it a romance would not make it hot - possibly creepy, but probably not hot. Focusing on the taboo and/or the power dynamic seems like a better approach.

I don't know. We spend little time on the son's POV in our writing, and not much on the guy's in general.

I think of it primarily in terms of the forbidden nature of the relationship, which is not to say that the mother characters necessarily struggle with it. Some do, some are just...sexually omnivorous.

 

[HotBrand]

From personal perspective, I think part of it is about the "overwhelming" nature of it.

To break through such societal and personal taboos, those characters must be so overwhelmed with desire, or need, or lust, or love.

Each character is so overwhelmed that they subvert the cultural values around them - and even their own values - to have that other person.

There's something quite consuming and raw about it. It's both destructive and constructive and, on an emotional and sexual level, I've found something empowering about it.

 

[gordo12]

I've been thinking about this lately and I think I know the answer - or at least I'm comfortable with my answer; but I'm curious what other authors think about this.

What primarily motivates the reader to be interested and excited by these stories?

I'd imagine that most men would cringe at the prospect of actually engaging in an incestuous relationship with their real mom no matter how much they may love her or even be able to objectively see her as beautiful. I'd expect that most women would similarly cringe at the prospect of actual incest with their son, and yet many readers do find this category exciting.

I assume when a guy reads a mother/son incest story they're (a) identifying with the son, and (b) getting off on either the taboo, the power dynamic, or both. Making it a romance would not make it hot - possibly creepy, but probably not hot. Focusing on the taboo and/or the power dynamic seems like a better approach.

If you do think these kinds of stories can be hot, then what makes them hot for you?

Do women also get turned on by a well written mother/son incest story? I assume some do, so I'd really like to hear from any women what they think makes a story like that hot.

Another possible factor that occurred to me is the current divorce rates. Since the 50's divorces have soared leaving a huge community of female-led families. Without the normal gender barriers in place (missing father) there is no impediment to fantasies or even action. (this is not intended as an insult on women)

I wrote this a few years ago, it covers incest stories in general, not just mother and son, but a lot of what's in it applies to every 'pairing" in I/T

https://www.literotica.com/s/write-incest-like-a-mother-fucker

I reread your treatise. Excellent advice for writing incest. Is there something about that you would change after another 7 years of writing it?

 

[TadOverdon]

From personal perspective, I think part of it is about the "overwhelming" nature of it.

To break through such societal and personal taboos, those characters must be so overwhelmed with desire, or need, or lust, or love.

Each character is so overwhelmed that they subvert the cultural values around them - and even their own values - to have that other person.

There's something quite consuming and raw about it. It's both destructive and constructive and, on an emotional and sexual level, I've found something empowering about it.

Yes, that covers it pretty well for me. Incest is just the highest wall and hardest barrier you can put between the characters and their urges.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

This is some really thought provoking stuff. I was more focused on the taboo nature of the interaction and how that makes it hot rather than on the nearly insurmountable barrier between the characters that would ordinarily hold back any action. From that perspective it's clear there's a lot of fodder for describing some powerful motivations.

I think the power dynamics are clearly another source of hotness, but to be released gradually as things build up. And yet these parts will still need to be tempered with the care and love the characters feel for each other.

Really glad I asked!

 

[lovecraft68]

Another possible factor that occurred to me is the current divorce rates. Since the 50's divorces have soared leaving a huge community of female-led families. Without the normal gender barriers in place (missing father) there is no impediment to fantasies or even action. (this is not intended as an insult on women)



I reread your treatise. Excellent advice for writing incest. Is there something about that you would change after another 7 years of writing it?

I don't think so, I pretty much still feel the same way on the pros and cons do's don'ts I listed.

The only thing I might add if I revisited it is to put more emphasis on what I put down is meant to be helpful, point out some of the categories sweet spots, what might get you flamed etc...

But its not meant to be an exact blueprint or formula, I'd stress more to make sure to write the story you want and not let anything I touched on deter you. I've written stories that went against some of what I wrote, and they did fine so again I'd put more into this is meant as a how to, not a must do.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Speaking from personal experience, about my birth father not the person I call my father, real life incest is disgusting and had eewww factor beyond belief. I find writing loving incest to be difficult and don't understand the fascination with it at all.

 

[lovecraft68]

Speaking from personal experience, about my birth father not the person I call my father, real life incest is disgusting and had eewww factor beyond belief. I find writing loving incest to be difficult and don't understand the fascination with it at all.

Most people fascinated with it have never had a real life experience, let alone an abusive one. Taboo and Non con are the ultimate FANTASY genres where most who read/write the stuff know its not anything that should be reality.

On occasions I have gotten a comment disturbing enough to give me that moment of, am I encouraging this? Then realize that person is already fucked up, and I had nothing to do with it, other than they think because I write I must want to hear all about their "true' stories.

 

[NotWise]

On occasions I have gotten a comment disturbing enough to give me that moment of, am I encouraging this? Then realize that person is already fucked up, and I had nothing to do with it, other than they think because I write I must want to hear all about their "true' stories.

I've had a couple of those, but neither of the relationships described involved young people. They just felt weird. I had to wonder if the commenter's stories were true, or whether they were exercising their own fantasies.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Any advice for writing a story that crosses kinks with incest?

The story I'm working on centers on a young man exploring his sexuality which includes a fetish for panties, but it also intersects with his relationship with his mother. My plans for them will take them to at least oral sex - It could certainly go further but it will definitely get to that.

My concern is that while I think I've got a handle now on how to make sure the incest angle is hot, and I'm pretty sure I know what I want to do with the fetish part, I concerned that my blending of these may put folks off.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Any advice for writing a story that crosses kinks with incest?

The story I'm working on centers on a young man exploring his sexuality which includes a fetish for panties, but it also intersects with his relationship with his mother. My plans for them will take them to at least oral sex - It could certainly go further but it will definitely get to that.

My concern is that while I think I've got a handle now on how to make sure the incest angle is hot, and I'm pretty sure I know what I want to do with the fetish part, I concerned that my blending of these may put folks off.

No way to know, where the road will go, unless, you go down the road! Just saying, if it works it works, if doesn't it doesn't. I'm sure that isn't helpful! Sorry best I have.

 

[NotWise]

Any advice for writing a story that crosses kinks with incest?

The story I'm working on centers on a young man exploring his sexuality which includes a fetish for panties, but it also intersects with his relationship with his mother. My plans for them will take them to at least oral sex - It could certainly go further but it will definitely get to that.

My concern is that while I think I've got a handle now on how to make sure the incest angle is hot, and I'm pretty sure I know what I want to do with the fetish part, I concerned that my blending of these may put folks off.

Assuming that your posting to I/T, then I don't think you need to worry about a panty fetish. The panties are special because they're Mom's,right?

I'd worry more about other fetishes that could result in physical abuse.

 

[Panty Wrangler]

Well I’ll figure that out as I go. So far there seem to be at least some readers who like it so far and are asking for more.

How about this then. Is it better to post such a story in fetish where it might see fewer of the incest readers or better to post it in I/T where the panty fetish may not be as appreciated?

 

[NotWise]

Well I’ll figure that out as I go. So far there seem to be at least some readers who like it so far and are asking for more.

How about this then. Is it better to post such a story in fetish where it might see fewer of the incest readers or better to post it in I/T where the panty fetish may not be as appreciated?

Fetish readers probably won't want the I/T content. Incest usually trumps everything. If you don't put it in that category, then Laurel is likely to move it there for you.

Or not. It's hard to say these days.