What issue should the Kansas Board of Education rule on next?

[cheerful_deviant]

This is just so sad.

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Kansas education board downplays evolution
State school board OKs standards casting doubt on Darwin

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 8:03 p.m. ET Nov. 8, 2005


TOPEKA, Kan. - Risking the kind of nationwide ridicule it faced six years ago, the Kansas Board of Education approved new public-school science standards Tuesday that cast doubt on the theory of evolution.

The 6-4 vote was a victory for “intelligent design” advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Critics of the new language charged that it was an attempt to inject God and creationism into public schools in violation of the separation of church and state.

All six of those who voted for the new standards were Republicans. Two Republicans and two Democrats voted no.

“This is a sad day. We’re becoming a laughingstock of not only the nation, but of the world, and I hate that,” said board member Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat.

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[Guest]

i voted for the duck because all of monty python was dead sexy!


and it ws the closest to a fish i could get... DARWIN RULES!
come on you descendants of simians, wtf?!
*sigh*

 

[cheerful_deviant]

i voted for the duck because all of monty python was dead sexy!


and it ws the closest to a fish i could get... DARWIN RULES!
come on you descendants of simians, wtf?!
*sigh*

Are we still allowed to say 'Sexy' and 'Kansas' in the same sentance or will God smite us for out wanton fornication?

 

[rgraham666]

We can say sweetsubsarahh and Kansas in the same sentence. they don't come much sexier than that.

If I was a teacher in Kansas I would be handing in my resignation, effective immediately. No way could I teach that codswallop in good faith.

I voted for the witch. Love Monty Python.

 

[LadyJeanne]

The 6-4 vote was a victory for “intelligent design” advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Huh. I thought it was like electricity and airplanes...it's too complicated for me to grasp, so it must be magic. I'd rather learn about magic. Kansas should teach magic to all its students.

 

[LadyJeanne]

We can say sweetsubsarahh and Kansas in the same sentence. they don't come much sexier than that.

If I was a teacher in Kansas I would be handing in my resignation, effective immediately. No way could I teach that codswallop in good faith.

I voted for the witch. Love Monty Python.

That's precisely why teachers who feel the same way you do, should NOT quit. If they quit, the design people will have their way completely. We need teachers who will teach it in a way that students understand its proper place, i.e., in religious studies, rather than where it's being slotted, i.e., science class.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

We can say sweetsubsarahh and Kansas in the same sentence. they don't come much sexier than that.

If I was a teacher in Kansas I would be handing in my resignation, effective immediately. No way could I teach that codswallop in good faith.

I voted for the witch. Love Monty Python.

I wonder if S3 would like a "Get out of Kansas Free" card.

Can't go wrong with Monty Python.

 

[rgraham666]

The 6-4 vote was a victory for “intelligent design” advocates who helped draft the standards. Intelligent design holds that the universe is so complex that it must have been created by a higher power.

Let's really fuck them up.

Let's introduce 'evidence' that it was Gitche Manitou who created the universe by smoking his pipe.

It will be fun to watch them squirm.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

Huh. I thought it was like electricity and airplanes...it's too complicated for me to grasp, so it must be magic. I'd rather learn about magic. Kansas should teach magic to all its students.

Heretic!

Do you weigh the same as a duck?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I think I saw it in a book, but it's always stuck with me.

Any sufficeintly advanced technology is magic.
Any suffiecintly explainable magic, is technology.

Apparently, the goo dpeople of Kansas wish thier children to think anythingmore complicated than a horse drawn carriage is magic.

I grieve for the kids. I hate the ignorant assholes whwo are intentionally handicapping them in order to further their political careers/ideological bais. Lets face it, if you inject enough religious acceptance into scince class, you're cripling their critical thinking ability and that pays big vdividends at the vote box or come tithing time.

On the upside, Kansas is hoping to singlehandlely produce the nation's next generation of Fry chefs for Mcdonlads. Vocational education at it's best. Yeach em to be to ignorant to get a real job and compete in the work place.

And yes, if anyone cares to know, as far as I'm concerned it's child abuse and as far as I'm concerned death is an appropriately disgusting and painful way is what they deserve for it. I am unrepentantly anti-moron.

 

[CharleyH]

I was thinking of clicking ruby heels?

 

[R. Richard]

When I was in school I always hated these type of weighty questions.
"A Witch weighs the same as a duck."

The people of Kansas will now have a few years before the real problem becomes apparent. The children of Kansas who are being taught crap will then go to college. They will try to use the crap they have been taught to pass college courses. Good luck.

 

[LadyJeanne]

Heretic!

Do you weigh the same as a duck?

Only when wet.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

Any sufficeintly advanced technology is magic.
Any suffiecintly explainable magic, is technology.

Apparently, the good people of Kansas wish thier children to think anything more complicated than a horse drawn carriage is magic.

No, actually magic is herrasy. It just 'IS' because God said so.

I am unrepentantly anti-moron.

Think we can FedEx them all to another country? But which country would want them?

 

[amicus]

I may have shared this before, if so, my apologies.

Some time ago, early to mid 90's I had the pleasure of being a reporter for a small weekly newspaper on the Oregon coast. I covered City Hall, all government meetings including the local monthly school board meeting.

Lo and behold the 'intelligent design' people were there also, with a petition to include that theory in biology and science classes in the high school.

I could only report the actual content of the meeting on an objective level, as the editor suggested that was my job, keep my opinions to myself as far as the newspaper was concerned.

However, I did manage, somewhat surreptitiously to get a "state attorney general spokesman' to determine that, 'intelligent design' was religion and thus could not be legally taught in a public school.

I made copies of that opinion and mailed them to each member of the school board, unsigned, but carrying the signature of the attorney generals office.

The measure was voted down in a subsequent school board meeting. I also included that approval of the issue would mean instant litigation.

Since that time there has been a concerted effort by jesus freaks to put religion on the education menu.

It is a wider debate however, as currently in California there is a suit about teaching 'sex' to elementary students and in several places about religious paraphenalia in public buildings and 'Christmas' and 'Easter' both religious holidays being respected.

One cannot address the entire issue in a single post, I think, but thus far, local school boards, remain that, at least to a degree, 'local' determined by community participation. It is moving, more and more to Federal standards being enforced in local schools, with issues being decided in court rooms and ultimately, the Supreme Courts of both the States and the Federal level.

There is no doubt that the history of the United States includes a heavy reliance on the ethics, morals and rituals of Christianity. Only with the diversity of multi-cultural religions and the lessening of influence of the Clergy in political affairs has this become a point of contention.

There really is no solution other than continual vigilance and participation in the democratic process.

Of course, there is a 'real' solution, abolish public tax supported education and you solve the problem.

The 10 commandments and prayers in public buildings, now that is a more difficult can of worms.


amicus...

 

[Colleen Thomas]

When I was in school I always hated these type of weighty questions.
"A Witch weighs the same as a duck."

The people of Kansas will now have a few years before the real problem becomes apparent. The children of Kansas who are being taught crap will then go to college. They will try to use the crap they have been taught to pass college courses. Good luck.

Oh god. Can you imagine the poor kid with aspirations of becoming an engineer or physicist trying to explain to his professors an intelligent designer is responsibile for things? I had english professors who would automatically fail you for using biblica/religion supports in argumentative papers. In Scince class? Dr. Sven wouldn't even argue with such ignornace, he's just issue an F and move along.

Poor kids. Poor innocent victims.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

I was thinking of clicking ruby heels?

I bet you look hot in that farm girl dress and pig tails.

 

[Colleen Thomas]

No, actually magic is herrasy. It just 'IS' because God said so.




Think we can FedEx them all to another country? But which country would want them?

Kansas takes them, apparently

 

[cheerful_deviant]

When I was in school I always hated these type of weighty questions.
"A Witch weighs the same as a duck."

The people of Kansas will now have a few years before the real problem becomes apparent. The children of Kansas who are being taught crap will then go to college. They will try to use the crap they have been taught to pass college courses. Good luck.

You have to hope that the governing boards for the institutes of higher education in Kansas is more intelligent than the board for public schools.

 

[Liar]

I still don't get it.

Intelligent Design is an philosophy based on a non-observation. It will always be a possibility. Darwinism is a theory based on an observation. It can always be proven incorrect.

So to equal the two...you must either make ID disproveable, or Darwinism untouchable.

Either way, the god squad loses.

 

[cheerful_deviant]

I still don't get it.

Intelligent Design is an philosophy based on a non-observation. It will always be a possibility. Darwinism is a theory based on an observation. It can always be proven incorrect.

So to equal the two...you must either make ID disproveable, or Darwinism untouchable.

Either way, the god squad loses.

Not in Kansas apparently.

Science has no bearing on politics, and politics has no basis in reality.

 

[cloudy]

A witch weighs the same as a duck.



....and very small rocks.

 

[Huckleman2000]

I chose the Adam and Eve - incest one.

At least it's logically consistent.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I think they will next try to disprove what Paris Hilton says. Land sakes! She shows off her buzzum!!

 

[elsol]

That women don't have souls.

Sincerely,
ElSol