What is this "equity" thing?

[pecksniff]

RWs on this board keep talking about "equity" as something distinct from and even opposed to "equality," but it's never clear what they mean. "Equity" has a specialized meaning in the law, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with that. Possibly it means "equity" as in "the study of fairness in economics."

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Equity: https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-equity/

"In common parlance, this is the difference between attempting to force equality of outcome by enforcing some resource allocation system and equality of opportunity, which Critical Social Justice regards not only as myth but as a harmful ideology that upholds injustices like “white supremacy.”"

It's the opposite of equality, and demands active discrimination and oppression.

 

[pecksniff]

Equity: https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-equity/

"In common parlance, this is the difference between attempting to force equality of outcome by enforcing some resource allocation system and equality of opportunity, which Critical Social Justice regards not only as myth but as a harmful ideology that upholds injustices like “white supremacy.”"

It's the opposite of equality, and demands active discrimination and oppression.

By the definition you quoted, it is not the opposite of equality, it is equality of outcome.

 

[jaF0]

What is this 80 post a day thing?

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[Bud_Spencer]

By the definition you quoted, it is not the opposite of equality, it is equality of outcome.

And to achieve that equality of outcome, you have to treat the unforunates in your system unequally. It's Harrison Bergeron writ large.

 

[Lazaran]

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As opposed to treating the fortunates in society unequally(better) as is the current practice.

GTFO

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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As opposed to treating the fortunates in society unequally(better) as is the current practice.

GTFO

One of the High Priests of the DIE (Diversity, Inclusion and Equity) Religion, a lead-pipe mediocrity named Henry Rogers (known better by his adopted exoticism, Ibram X. Kendi) has proposed what amounts to a dictatorship to enforce this idea on the rest of society. Unaccountable to voters, it would have complete power to veto laws, policy, etc. and to force "equity" on society.

Sound like a world you want to live in?

 

[pecksniff]

And to achieve that equality of outcome, you have to treat the unforunates in your system unequally. It's Harrison Bergeron writ large.

Nevertheless, equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are both forms of equality; neither is its opposite.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Nevertheless, equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are both forms of equality; neither is its opposite.

The two are at odds with each other. You cannot have both. We have equality before the law. Pol Pot enforced equity.

 

[pecksniff]

The two are at odds with each other. You cannot have both. We have equality before the law. Pol Pot enforced equity.

Whatever Pol Pot was enforcing, it wasn't equity. It appears to have been an agrarian form of Communism that would have baffled Marx, to whom urban industrialism was humanity's highest achievement to date.

 

[Lazaran]

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So basically in contrast to the racist misogynistic corporatist republican cabal that has been forcing gross inequality upon society.

That IS the world we live in.

 

[TJX]

What is this 80 post a day thing?

pecksniff Total Posts: 1,399 (79.31 posts per day)

Rory is trying to get his alts post count up cause that’s how Rory validates his self worth. Don’t believe me? “Just look at my post count” lmao

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Whatever Pol Pot was enforcing, it wasn't equity. It appears to have been an agrarian form of Communism that would have baffled Marx, to whom urban industrialism was humanity's highest achievement to date.

Of course it was equity. Everyone in Kampuchea was equal, just as the High Priests of DIE demand. So what's the problem?

 

[Bud_Spencer]

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So basically in contrast to the racist misogynistic corporatist republican cabal that has been forcing gross inequality upon society.

That IS the world we live in.

It's not the GOP holding segregated events at companies and universities, bright boy. And I suggest you take a look at who Wall Street has been backing for years. Hint: It ain't the pachyderms.

 

[pecksniff]

Of course it was equity. Everyone in Kampuchea was equal . . .

No, the educated urban population was marked for death. That's neither equity nor equality.

 

[pecksniff]

And I suggest you take a look at who Wall Street has been backing for years. Hint: It ain't the pachyderms.

Mostly, it is. Of course, they do hedge their bets by donating to both sides, sometimes to both sides in the same election. In consequence, both parties are owned by Wall Street -- the difference is that the Dems are not wholly owned.

 

[Lazaran]

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Wrong.

2021 is the first year in the past decade alone, that Wall Street has contributed more to democrats than republicans.

They briefly donated more to democrats when President Obama ran for office, but quickly reverted to favoring republicans after passage of Dodd Frank.

One might suspect that whenever Wall Street favors progressive democrats, it is nothing more than a PR move, though in the case of the traitor in chief and the current batch of Q-publicans, Wall Street may actually see progressive democrats led by President Biden as providing more certainty.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

No, the educated urban population was marked for death. That's neither equity nor equality.

And the result was equity...in spades. And it's not as if this isn't a standard communist methodology, Peck.

 

[pecksniff]

And the result was equity...in spades.

Only in the sense that all are equal in death.

And it's not as if this isn't a standard communist methodology, Peck.

It's not as if this is relevant to the present discussion, either. Nothing the RWs on this board protest against as an instance of "equity" is ever going to lead to killing fields or gulags. Mostly it seems to have to do with affirmative action and tax policy.

 

[Bud_Spencer]

Only in the sense that all are equal in death.

It's not as if this is relevant to the present discussion, either. Nothing the RWs on this board protest against as an instance of "equity" is ever going to lead to killing fields or gulags. Mostly it seems to have to do with affirmative action and tax policy.

Of course, the people of Phnom Penh cheered the Khmer Rouge as they rolled in, too. Those nice scowling boys on the tanks would never do anything dreadful, right?

If you don't think this won't lead to something similar, you're dreaming.

 

[pecksniff]

Of course, the people of Phnom Penh cheered the Khmer Rouge as they rolled in, too. Those nice scowling boys on the tanks would never do anything dreadful, right?

If you don't think this won't lead to something similar, you're dreaming.

If you think it will, you're insane. What American progressives want, and what the RWs here abominate as "equity" as if that were a snarl-word somehow, is mostly on the lines of European social democracy -- no killing fields or gulags, nor even any lesser apparent downsides, ever come of that.

 

[Earthlyone]

This image supposedly illustrates equality vs equity.

https://www.clydefitchreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/IISC_EqualityEquity.png

 

[CornusKousa]

Nevertheless, equality of opportunity and equality of outcome are both forms of equality; neither is its opposite.

Yes they are opposites, you can have equality of opportunity, or outcome, you can't have both.

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So basically in contrast to the racist misogynistic corporatist republican cabal that has been forcing gross inequality upon society.

That IS the world we live in.

Not forcing, allowing.

And inequity, not inequality.

We have equality....we don't have equity, which is why the left is so mad. They want equal outcomes for all. That's what makes them lefties.

- the difference is that the Dems are not wholly owned.

You can tell that same lie a thousand times but it won't get anymore true.

If you think it will, you're insane. What American progressives want, and what the RWs here abominate as "equity" as if that were a snarl-word somehow, is mostly on the lines of European social democracy -- no killing fields or gulags, nor even any lesser apparent downsides, ever come of that.

Then move to Europe, that's not how shit is done here in the US.

This image supposedly illustrates equality vs equity.

https://www.clydefitchreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/IISC_EqualityEquity.png

Yes.....here is the full version that explains why "Progress" always ends the same way.

https://i.redd.it/2jmnh4usyhs31.jpg

 

[Rightguide]

RWs on this board keep talking about "equity" as something distinct from and even opposed to "equality," but it's never clear what they mean. "Equity" has a specialized meaning in the law, but it doesn't appear to have anything to do with that. Possibly it means "equity" as in "the study of fairness in economics."

In the Democrat vernacular equity refers to race not value.

 

[pecksniff]

Yes they are opposites, you can have equality of opportunity, or outcome, you can't have both.

Opposites of each other, perhaps, but not opposite to equality as such.

Then move to Europe, that's not how shit is done here in the US.

There is no good reason at all why things cannot or should not be done that way here.

Yes.....here is the full version that explains why "Progress" always ends the same way.

https://i.redd.it/2jmnh4usyhs31.jpg

You have no good reason to believe that. I've seen that image posted here before, and it has never made any sense. It makes a point but it "explains" nothing.