What is the Good in keeping Confederate Statues and such?

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I saw this question posed by another member in a different thread and its a good one. The short answer is you cant stamp out hate. Nothing you do can stop a person from hating except kill them. People will hate regardless if there are any statues, busts, plaques or memorials to the confederacy or the soldiers who fought for the south.

The thing is by attacking the Symbols, the ideas one group sees as their heritage you actually feed their hate. It doesn't matter what you think or feel because of the emotional investment they have, right or wrong. Tearing down Symbols will only fuel their rage and deepen their hate and desire to resist. If there was no counter protest in charlotte, nobody would have got hurt. The counter protestors (who had no permit to be there) gave the haters exactly what they wanted, a confrontation and innocent people paid the price.

The smart thing to do is to reclaim the message of the objects. Move the offending statues off government building sites like courthouses and administration buildings to a park or cemetery. Rename the schools and buildings. Statues of civil rights leaders could be placed opposing them as if in confrontation or conversation with an uplifting message of hope, peace or diversity. While doing this we must also be mindful it's part of our history and you cant erase history and we shouldn't, we should learn from it.

Many of the statues ,monuments have ample room on their base for an additional message. One such example in the case of the Robert E Lee statue could be this quote attributed to him a few years after the wars end.

"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained." Robert E. Lee

http://www.azquotes.com/author/8660-Robert_E_Lee

I could prattle on but I think my point has been made. I'll add one last thing. I think its a shameful thing to attack the dead and any memorial in a cemetery should be off limits, period. Some may not know this but Confederate soldiers are by law Veterans. Public law 85-425, specifically section 410 http://uscode.house.gov/statutes/pl/85/425.pdf

I may be misreading it but I think not. Any resident legal eagles care to chirp
in, Col. Hogan, Busybody, Eyer? This was about as thoughtful a post as I care to make for the rest of the year. Now back to Sarcasm, Tomfoolery and Porn.:D
 
I saw this question posed by another member in a different thread and its a good one. The short answer is you cant stamp out hate. Nothing you do can stop a person from hating except kill them. People will hate regardless if there are any statues, busts, plaques or memorials to the confederacy or the soldiers who fought for the south.

The thing is by attacking the Symbols, the ideas one group sees as their heritage you actually feed their hate. It doesn't matter what you think or feel because of the emotional investment they have, right or wrong. Tearing down Symbols will only fuel their rage and deepen their hate and desire to resist. If there was no counter protest in charlotte(sic), nobody would have got hurt. The counter protestors (who had no permit to be there WRONG) gave the haters exactly what they wanted, a confrontation and innocent people paid the price.

The smart thing to do is to reclaim the message of the objects. Move the offending statues off government building sites like courthouses and administration buildings to a park or cemetery. Rename the schools and buildings. Statues of civil rights leaders could be placed opposing them as if in confrontation or conversation with an uplifting message of hope, peace or diversity. While doing this we must also be mindful it's part of our history and you cant erase history and we shouldn't, we should learn from it.

Fuck those snowflake losers and their "feels".
Fuck those losing traitors, no need to "memorialize" them.
Last, but certainly not least, fuck you.
:)
 
I support the notion to leave them up and add an explanation about what the war was, why it was fought, why it was bad and why we have free speech today.

I know.

Too reasonable...
 
I support the notion to leave them up and add an explanation about what the war was, why it was fought, why it was bad and why we have free speech today.

I know.

Too reasonable...
Put them in a museum, then. Why should decent people be obliged to walk around statues of America's enemies?
 
I get why they might have been reluctant to take them down en masse during Obama. Because it would have just added to the extreme R wingers hatred of Obama.

But now seems to be a bad timing too.
Given that your country is so divided and angry over politics, and some people are worried about the Left.

Strange timing, as if they're trying to divide people even further.
 
They aren't taking them down to destroy them so all this fucking whining is stupid. They want to relocate them you bunch of snowflakes.
 
I get why they might have been reluctant to take them down en masse during Obama. Because it would have just added to the extreme R wingers hatred of Obama.

But now seems to be a bad timing too.
Given that your country is so divided and angry over politics, and some people are worried about the Left.

Strange timing, as if they're trying to divide people even further.
The statue of Lee in Charlottesville is in no danger of coming down at this time.
 
Fuck those snowflake losers and their "feels".
Fuck those losing traitors, no need to "memorialize" them.
Last, but certainly not least, fuck you.
:)

I'm glad I made your day Robby. Let the hate flow, let it flow.:D

I support the notion to leave them up and add an explanation about what the war was, why it was fought, why it was bad and why we have free speech today.

I know.

Too reasonable...

A reasonable idea. Oh wait that's what President Trump said. You're sure to be labeled a racist now .

Put them in a museum, then. Why should decent people be obliged to walk around statues of America's enemies?

Another sensible and constructive idea.


Out of sight , out of mind. If I'm not mistaken more Americans died in the CW than during WW2. We should do everything we can to avoid a repeat, especially when the country is more divided than ever since. but your point was made.
 
Put them in a museum, then. Why should decent people be obliged to walk around statues of America's enemies?

Um...They are a little dead so you could afford to lighten up just a tad.

These modern day idiots people get so upset about only gain power if left alone to worried in secret.

It's not the"head knockers" ( they are a dime a dozen) out in the streets that are so dangerous, it is the higher up officers and leaders whom age of a reasonable IQ and can brainwash fools into joining up and hating people just because they exist that are the dangerous ones and they are not about to take a chance of getting hurt.

If I was indeed the kind of person some people around here think I am,I would have been a lieutenant (after a little indoctrination ) back in the eighties.
It was offered...Twice. With more advancement in the future based upon performance and leadership skills. (talking idiots into being fools!)

Not my thing.
 
The statue of Lee in Charlottesville is in no danger of coming down at this time.

I haven't focused much on that tbh.

But regardless of how minor or major they are, I'm just struck by how much these latest events magnified the divisivenness.
Both from watching the GB interactions and from what I read online.
 
Hear about the dumb ass that went over to Germany giving out the Nazis salute?

Did not go over very good.

Lots of posturing.

The only one that hit me personally was that asswipe wearing a motherfucking 82nd Airborne Division hat doing the Hitler salute.
 
I saw this question posed by another member in a different thread and its a good one. The short answer is you cant stamp out hate. Nothing you do can stop a person from hating except kill them. People will hate regardless if there are any statues, busts, plaques or memorials to the confederacy or the soldiers who fought for the south.

The thing is by attacking the Symbols, the ideas one group sees as their heritage you actually feed their hate. It doesn't matter what you think or feel because of the emotional investment they have, right or wrong. Tearing down Symbols will only fuel their rage and deepen their hate and desire to resist. If there was no counter protest in charlotte, nobody would have got hurt. The counter protestors (who had no permit to be there) gave the haters exactly what they wanted, a confrontation and innocent people paid the price.

The smart thing to do is to reclaim the message of the objects. Move the offending statues off government building sites like courthouses and administration buildings to a park or cemetery. Rename the schools and buildings. Statues of civil rights leaders could be placed opposing them as if in confrontation or conversation with an uplifting message of hope, peace or diversity. While doing this we must also be mindful it's part of our history and you cant erase history and we shouldn't, we should learn from it.

Many of the statues ,monuments have ample room on their base for an additional message. One such example in the case of the Robert E Lee statue could be this quote attributed to him a few years after the wars end.

"So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained." Robert E. Lee

http://www.azquotes.com/author/8660-Robert_E_Lee

I could prattle on but I think my point has been made. I'll add one last thing. I think its a shameful thing to attack the dead and any memorial in a cemetery should be off limits, period. Some may not know this but Confederate soldiers are by law Veterans. Public law 85-425, specifically section 410 http://uscode.house.gov/statutes/pl/85/425.pdf

I may be misreading it but I think not. Any resident legal eagles care to chirp
in, Col. Hogan, Busybody, Eyer? This was about as thoughtful a post as I care to make for the rest of the year. Now back to Sarcasm, Tomfoolery and Porn.:D

Robert E. Lees grandchildren are embarrassed by the statutes and the people that flock to defend it.

That should say plenty. Not that wingnuts ever listen.
 
As comments in the Boston news stated: instead of tax dollars being used to pay for monuments being removed or street signs being changed, donate to minorities, college foundations for the poor and people in need.
All too PC
 
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As comments in the Boston news stated: instead of tax dollars being used to pay for monuments being removed or street signs being changed, donate to minorities, college foundations for the poor and people in need.
All too PC
Tax dollars are spent to maintain monuments. Removing the monuments is the cheaper option.
 
Not when we have to change currency. Because people are now becoming offended by that.
 
I was thinking… .

Wouldn't it be :eek: if they replaced the statues with symbols of non- whites being oppressed by whites?
 
I was thinking… .

Wouldn't it be :eek: if they replaced the statues with symbols of non- whites being oppressed by whites?
It would certainly teach more history than some dude riding a horse.
 
I noticed that I never see Eisenhower dollars or Franklin half-dollars any more. Have they fallen from favor?

Franklin halfs are silver, so they're taken out of circulation by people who realize that they're worth much more than the monetary value.
 
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